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MikeJB said:

I read that a third party Apple Vision Pro app was created to allow YouTube videos in an independent AVP window. I suspect that since one was created, the powers-that-be over at YouTube figured it would be in their own interests to release an AVP app themselves (as reported on Apple Insider recently).

Google can shut that off if they want to, just as they shut off repeated attempts to bring YouTube to Windows Phone and also shut off third party apps to Amazon Echo Show devices back when the two companies were (more overtly) feuding. Two things going on here.
1. Google is waiting to see if Vision Pro succeeds without being one of the reasons that it succeeds. If Vision Pro sells 5 million units in 2025, they don't want any part of that 5 million people to buy it in order to look at YouTube. 
2. Speaking of the 2025 thing, yes Google, Samsung and Qualcomm are working together on their own device. They have been ambivalent about whether to actually release it. I have read that it can be out as early as 4Q this year if Samsung wants to badly enough. Samsung will release the Galaxy 6 Fold and Flip, Galaxy 7 Watch and Galaxy Ring in 3Q, so 4Q would be when the Galaxy S23 FE and the Galaxy Fold FE are going to be released (Samsung times the Galaxy FE releases to steal the thunder from the Google Pixel, which releases in October). Despite the legendary capacity of the Apple fandom to convince itself otherwise, it would be stupid for YouTube to be on the Vision Pro before it is on Google's device. But if Samsung decides not to push for a release this year, Google will move forward with Vision Pro apps for YouTube and Google TV, though do not expect them to go all out - at least not initially - like Disney did for Disney+.

People who have a problem with 2., well when did Apple approve Stadia again? Over 5 years and there is still no Android app for Apple TV+ (other than the Android TV one) ... you have to use the browser. And no, there is no Safari browser on Android either, and wasn't even when there was still a Safari browser on Windows. No iTunes or Apple Movies and TV on Android either. So the people who believe that Google has some obligation to provide day one support for every single Apple product and platform, I say it is perfectly fine for Google to wait awhile. And now that YouTube Premium/YouTube Music has surpassed the 100 million subscribers threshold - and YouTube TV is doing well also - they can afford to wait. Or at least wait until NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV is an exclusive on Google's own competing headset for awhile first.  

longfang said:

nopenopenope said:

I’m just here to refute the entire premise. No, you shall not use a Vision Pro in public. It is somehow both invasive and oblivious at the same time. You have a choice. Don’t.

You don’t get to dictate what other people do. 

This was the consensus opinion with Google Glass. He is just being consistent instead of "it is bad when Google does it but good when we do it."

The difference between Google Glass and this is what exactly?

tht said:

Still no answers on who is going to fab and assemble the car? Foxconn or bust?

And the value chain for EVs are going to be charging infrastructure and service infrastructure. The car itself is somewhere in 3rd or 4th on the priority list. And automated driving would be 5th or 6th at best. They bought into the self driving bubble in the 2015 time frame and wasted a lot of resources.

Foxconn building the car is one thing. Foxconn building the car without an automobile manufacturer to provide a lot of what is necessary is another. The only way that this gets done is if Apple moves off the "terms that make us billions while losing you billions" that they normally impose on their "partners" and suppliers. Apple is able to do this in other industries because they have been able to find companies that are some combination of desperate, star-struck or naive. That's not going to happen in the automobile industry.

mathpunk said:

I think Apple has lost its focus.  They can't even build a modem, but sure, let's build a car!  Siri is a mess, the Swift compiler has a lot of problems, all sorts of software is buggy, they still can't figure out what to do with the iPad, and now there is the Vision Pro which has no clear reason to exist.  

Not even a pro-Apple guy but let's go.
1. Apple can build a modem. But why should they? It would provide no benefit at all over cheaper products available from other companies. There is a list of products that Apple should make - general purpose monitor, smart TV, printer, home audio, home security - but generic stuff like networking and storage equipment aren't among them.
2. Siri is a mess ... when compared to Amazon Alexa, Google Assistant and Samsung Bixby? The former two are losing BILLIONS for their owners and the latter is an embarrassment. 
3. All right maybe this is legitimate.
4. In isolation? Sure. In comparison with software provided by literally everybody else? Not a chance.
5. They sold 46 million of them in 2023 which was a down year. Creative professionals love it and thanks to Apple Arcade it is actually getting traction with serious gaming. The only real threat to the iPad on the horizon is the possibility that Windows tablets are going to take off once Intel reaches 5nm this year: https://liliputing.com/onexplayer-x1-gaming-tablet-with-detachable-controllers-and-intel-meteor-lake-launches-in-china-global-launch-coming-soon. And if you are one of those people who keeps insisting that iPads should have beaten Windows laptops by now ... well let's just say that you aren't someone who actually uses Windows and leave it at that. That was never going to happen, especially considering that an iPad Pro actually costs as much as an entry level productivity or gaming Windows laptop and that is without the Magic keyboard and trackpad.
6. My prediction is that 5 years from now the Vision Pro is going to be radically different from the dev kit that they are pushing now. If you were to listen to what Apple's management has been saying about AR and VR the past 3 years you would understand why I think this way. The final version of the Vision Pro is going to be a lot closer to Google Glass - except actually good this time - than the face huggers from Aliens.

So you are 1 for 6. Aim for a better ratio next time.