Applejacs

sconosciuto said:

entropys said:

Moving away from political appointments to sector knowledge is an improvement.  And yes, CEO salaries are obscene.  Does anyone seriously believe Tim Apple wouldn’t do the CEO job if it was one fifth as much (or one tenth)? Their salaries are well past the point the actual amount matters. It is which CEO position it is that matters,  and if it doesn’t, they shouldn’t have the job.

That’s President Al Gore you’re speaking of and he deserved to be on the BoD.

9secondkox2 said:

dmskalnm said:

Disagree with almost all of PauloSeraa's post.

iMac has never been very portable or upgradeable, so this is nothing new. The M1 iMac is arguably the most portable iMac, as it weighs almost nothing compared to its predecessors. iMacs do keep their resale value better than non-Apple computers, so they are reusable. They aren't impossible to sell or trade at all. Just look at eBay. They do remain useful for a long time.

Until the M1 Mac mini, the mini has always been an underpowered machine with horrible value. The current mini and Studio basically can't be upgraded, besides replacing the entire machine. A big part of the value of the iMac since the Retina models has been getting a top of the line display included, so this is a positive, not a negative.

It is weird that Apple has taken so long to update the iMac, which used to get updates every year. The cadence of all Mac releases has slowed down since 2020. An iMac with more than 16GB RAM is definitely needed. The all-in-one form factor is extremely good for office use, and even office users can use more than 16GB RAM. As far as cost-benefit, we know that isn't the main consideration for development, otherwise they never would have made the 2019 or the 2023 Mac Pro.

This. The whole “iMac can’t be upgraded and must be replaced at some point is so disengenuous as ALL Macs are this way. “Oh, but you have to replace the screen when you replace the iMac since it’s built in.” AS IF the MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, iphone, iPad, and Apple Watch are any different? Such sad excuses. Even standalone displays are often replaced when better tech, form factors, and sizes come along. No one wants the crappy resolution of an old Cinema Display these days (outside of some niche retro fans that are also ok with old crt monitors). iMacs last so long, you’ll be glad to replace not only the computer, but the display as well when the time comes. And that’s the magic of an iMac. You get EVERYTHING you need and want at once. Then, 7 years from now, you get to do it Al over again. 

I stil remember buying my original iMac 5k, upgraded as much as possible, then added 64GB RAM afterward. The upgrade from the office iMac I was using purchased just one year prior was INSANE. Performance was blazing. Absolutely lightspeed. The screen? Oh my gosh. I ended up taking my personal iMac to work and letting someone else use the other one. The entire office and many visitors could not believe what they were seeing looking at that kind of image quality. It simply didn’t exist in other products. Beyond that, my old iMac 5k is 8 years old, served me well for 6-7 years and is now being heavily used on the daily by multiple users - and still performs well in a commercial setting. Simply amazing. 

So no, moving be to a display (which is pretty much the same 8 year old!) display, which must be entirely replaced in order to upgrade and a separate computer box, which must be entirely replaced to upgrade is not solving anything at all. On the other hand, it introduces setbacks such as now having to manage multiple pieces to get the same computing experience along with the extra wiring and extra hassle when relocating the setup. It also requires more materials to house the components rather than having it all under “one roof” so to speak. Moving from the sleek Mac type setup (as seen since apple iie, iMac itself, PowerBook, MacBooks, iPhone, and iPad, to a messier pc type of setup as commonly seen with Dell, hp, Lenovo, etc. is more of a backward step in many ways. 

There should be the option of a separate machine and display for sure. But in no way should that be a replacement for such a winning formula. The sooner a big, major horsepower iMac debuts, the better.