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michelb76 said:

jacob_rad said:

Though I praise the ethical stand point that Apple has taken, doing so will ensure their loss. The data that these companies will provide will be infinitely smaller than the huge mountains of data that companies such as OpenAI and Google have.

Also, having to rely on third parties will only slow them down. There are claims that regulations will be passed which may hinder companies such as Google which is scraping the internet for data, I assure you nothing like that will happen in the states. Currently, the world is in a race and no country can afford to be behind, no government (barring EU, duh) is foolish enough to hinder this fledgling field.

Also, Apple is a hardware company unlike Google which is a true software company, they have more areas to integrate and monetise AI.

Nothing is stopping Apple from scraping the web, like the others do. They probably have been doing that already for years with their search engine. This deal would expose fresh content that is usually behind paywalls, and Apple would potentially get that first. Also, if Apple makes a deal with the publishers, those publishers might want to see money from competitors like Google and OpenAI to let them keep access.

danox said:

jacob_rad said:

Though I praise the ethical stand point that Apple has taken, doing so will ensure their loss. The data that these companies will provide will be infinitely smaller than the huge mountains of data that companies such as OpenAI and Google have.

Also, having to rely on third parties will only slow them down. There are claims that regulations will be passed which may hinder companies such as Google which is scraping the internet for data, I assure you nothing like that will happen in the states. Currently, the world is in a race and no country can afford to be behind, no government (barring EU, duh) is foolish enough to hinder this fledgling field.

Also, Apple is a hardware company unlike Google which is a true software company, they have more areas to integrate and monetise AI.

So in short Apple should steal it? Apple can't win either way they go? By the way the quality of the data is more important than the quantity of data. Building anything in AI is going to require brains, focus, iteration and discipline.

jacob_rad said:

I have seen Apple users more worried about this than Android users, who have endured green bubble stigma for so long that they no longer care.

On a funny note, I know a guy who works in an Apple store who says that iPhone users are the most worried when their iMessage fails and they show up as green bubbles, more so than even actual problems such as broken screens or components.

Following all of this on Reddit and other sites has made me realise that it's actually Apple users who care more about bubble colours to the point that a 9to5mac user wants to sue the DOJ and the FTC if they play any part in Android users getting blue bubbles.

Seeing all of this makes me want to see Apple launch an Android client for iMessage.

Xed said:

avon b7 said:

StrangeDays said:

avon b7 said:

Xed said:

jacob_rad said:

Though I praise the ethical stand point that Apple has taken, doing so will ensure their loss. The data that these companies will provide will be infinitely smaller than the huge mountains of data that companies such as OpenAI and Google have.

Also, having to rely on third parties will only slow them down. There are claims that regulations will be passed which may hinder companies such as Google which is scraping the internet for data, I assure you nothing like that will happen in the states. Currently, the world is in a race and no country can afford to be behind, no government (barring EU, duh) is foolish enough to hinder this fledgling field.

Also, Apple is a hardware company unlike Google which is a true software company, they have more areas to integrate and monetise AI.

Google has more money than Apple?

Apple isn't a "true" software company is what respect? Because they also design HW?

I think he means that, as a company, Apple stills derives a huge amount of revenues from hardware. That is true.

While services may be growing, the iPhone and hardware is, and will remain, the cash cow for the foreseeable future.

Conversely, Google is financially dependant on software services products, and not so much, hardware. 

Those services are not limited to the CE realm as they reach into science and industry too. 

Apple's scope hasn't reached those areas. 

What a non sequitur. Making lots of money from hardware has no bearing on whether a shop also produces software. 

That’s like me saying Google isn’t a true software company because their business is advertising. 

Producing hardware and software per se wasn't at issue.

It was the balance between the two in terms of revenue. 

No it wasn't. His comment stated that Google was a "true" software company which implies that Apple doesn't "truly" create any software which is fucking stupid to say and for anyone to defend. Even your "revenue" comment is silly because Apple doesn't sell their SW without the HW and their HW without the revenue. They are a paired product so you can't exclude the SW and claim Apple hasn't a leg to stand on simply because you see no SW when the display is off.

Also, StrangeDays is on point by calling Google just an ad placement company if we go by your facile definition. Personally, I see Apple as being a very deep in SW and HW development, just as I see this with Google, MS, FB, and many others.

charlesn said:

I am so sick of reading BS statements about Apple "forcing" users to do this or that. Apple is forcing no one to do anything. In terms of sales, Apple remains a minority player in the mobile phone and computer markets. Android and Windows outsell Apple by far. Apple offers consumers the choice of having their hardware and software all managed by one company in a walled garden ecosystem with an emphasis on security, digital privacy and ease of use. If you don't like the idea of that... GREAT! There are countless non-Apple choices out there for you. The only people who consistently complain about Apple are people who don't own Apple products. The only people railing against Apple's walled garden are people who aren't in it. It's insane. You made your choice about what to buy, so get on with your life! If a central "problem" in your life is that your message bubbles are green instead of blue, there is something tragically, desperately wrong with what you consider to be important in life.