This is an interesting article published yesterday in the Independent:

"Brexit: Leave campaign was ‘criminally irresponsible’, says leading legal academic"

Michael Dougan, professor of European law at at the University of Liverpool said:

"Leave conducted one of the most dishonest campaigns this country has ever seen.

"On virtually every major issue that was raised in this referendum debate Leave’s arguments consisted of at best misrepresentations and at worst outright deception.

"And by doing so – by normalising and legitimising this type of dishonesty as a primary tool to win votes, I’m afraid that Leave have inflicted quite untold damage on the quality of our national democracy.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-eu-referendum-michael-dougan-leave-campaign-latest-a7115316.html

tallest skil said:

mobius said:

The few people who are best placed to predict the UK's future economic prospects are economists. And the vast majority of them were/are saying if Britain exits the EU it will be economically harmful.

Yes, that's known as lying. We've seen it before, both on the continent and off. Funny how people forget history.

You talk of lying, and yet you seem to conveniently ignore the lying that took place by the pro-leave camp before the referendum, and which has subsequently been revealed as such. It is obvious that this has heavily affected the result and swung the pendulum to leave votes. That is the main reason this referendum is undemocratic. It is built upon deceit.

tallest skil said:

mobius said:

Sigh. Well done on cherry-picking one word out of my sentence on the British gutter press and discarding the rest.

Your entire sentence was predicated on that word and the thought that it would terrify your opponents into silence. Too bad you've been repeating the same bullshit for half a century now, so it just has no effect at all. No one is frightened of being right anymore. Maybe you should be frightened that your scare tactics no longer work.

What in god's name are you going on about? You seem to have a hard time grasping simple facts. I have no scare tactics. I raised the point about the xenophobic UK press because they are the ones who have whipped up anti-EU anti-immigrant sentiment. Through fear, they have brainwashed millions to vote to leave the EU. An unfounded fear of being over-run by immigrants causing our resources to crack under the strain. This scaremongering has been going on for decades by the likes the Daily Mail and the Sun but it became far more fervent as we approached the referendum. They are trashy newspapers whose sole purpose seems to be to spread fear, distrust and hatred built upon a bed of lies and half-truths. The scare tactics are not mine; they are emanating from the certain sections of the UK press controlled by a very small number of billionaires who are playing a game of political chess. The public are the pawns. Here in the UK, our press has enormous persuasive powers that can and have swung elections. Swinging a referendum is mere child's play for these corrupt publications.

That is why I raised it. I really don't get how you have misconstrued my argument so wildly.

Of course, the likes of Farage have also been piling on the scaremongering but their political aims would be very much weaker if it wasn't for the heavily partisan newspapers.

tallest skil said:

mobius said:

Sigh. 

Are you 12? No one cares that you're exasperated when you're wrong.

My sigh was not exasperation, but weariness at your level of incomprehension and ignorance.

Can you hear that sound? It sounds like the pit of a large barrel being scraped for a decent insult to hurl.

tallest skil said:

mobius said:

You've no idea how angry I am right now!

Anger is a social construct.  

And that advances your argument...how?

thewhitefalcon said:

CoboRodRegas said:

Disappointing if true,  The headphone jack is one of the most important features to me.... Way more important than the camera...  I use it hours every day in multiple locations, connected to different devices (car stereo, large quality headphones I keep at work, small ear buds I use for working out, and multiple home stereos depending on what room I am in). 

No other audio interface will suffice,  I am not willing to sacrifice the quality & convenience of a traditional headphone jack, I am not willing to spend hundreds of dollars to buy several dongles or spend hundreds of dollars to change my audio equipment,  And I am not willing to carry a dongle with me at all times. 

Its a simple, ubiquitous, quality, standard, with no peer.   Its not like the floppy disk, its not like fire wire.

So if these rumors are, true my next phone will be an android.

The headphone jack does not deliver quality. Apple's internal DAC's aren't bad but they're not great either. Making this a quality argument is stupid and wrong. 

Doesn't exactly matter when most people play back MP3's does it. The quality improvement will be negligible and inaudible in the majority of cases. I don't believe people will give up the convenience of a headphone jack for slight sound improvement.

Most listening is done in relatively noisy environments too which further reduces any noticeable quality enhancements from a better DAC.

tallest skil said:

mobius said:

I don't think anyone, let alone any pro-Brexit voters really know what the hell is about to hit us after this decision.

So how do you speak for them?

Sigh. I don't know any clairvoyants. Do you? The few people who are best placed to predict the UK's future economic prospects are economists. And the vast majority of them were/are saying if Britain exits the EU it will be economically harmful.

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/24/12024728/brexit-economy-economists-recession

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/economists-warn-against-brexit-vote-bh07fdx0t

tallest skil said:

mobius said:

xenophobic

Sigh. Well done on cherry-picking one word out of my sentence on the British gutter press and discarding the rest.

I can only conclude you have never read the Daily Mail and its ilk!

tallest skil said:

mobius said:

The Pro-Brexit camp are playing fast and lose with our economy. So far it's looking pretty bad and I fear for the future

Yes, because three days is always the best indicator of a century of... you know, what the fuck ever. You people can’t even comprehend that objective truth exists, so you can never comprehend reality.

Sigh. Are you saying we have to wait a century before the economy stabilises? You're not being clear. I grant you 3 days of turmoil is too early to say with any certainty whether the decision to exit the EU will be for the better or worse. But, with economists predicting a slowdown and with the 2 main British political parties tearing themselves to pieces over the last 3 days, I'm not exactly sitting here with a big smile on my face thinking everything is going to come up smelling of roses. It's not looking good at all. On top of that, it appears that idiot Boris Johnson only campaigned pro-Brexit to further his political career...i.e. he lied to gain power and run for PM! He stood on a tissue of lies.

Furthermore, there are a large number of leave voters who are regretting their vote. It's all a big mess.

You've no idea how angry I am right now!

paulmoscow said:

AppleInsider said:
That will likely make an independent UK familiar territory for Apple, which has done business in Europe for many years prior to the establishment of the EU.

The EU was established in 1957 with the UK joining it in 1973.

No. The European Economic Community (EEC) was established in 1957. This became the European Communities (EC) in 1973 which is when the UK joined. The present day European Union was not established until the signing of the Maastricht Treaty in 1993. (Apple was already 17 years old by then.)