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@kamilton: Oversee? maybe… just not overhear.  Neil is 70 and has played thousands of 120 decibel concerts over more than 50 years, not to mention all the rehearsing and recording.  There is no way his hearing is not damaged.  I saw him play with Promise of the Real last year, and it was the first time I ever saw him wearing ear protection.

Spam: Which candidate's election would cause that to happen, and why?  Use aynrandian analysis.

I think what he is trying to say is the system is rigged.

anantksundaram said:

What about Santa Claus? Why is he missing from the list?

He's not from a southern state and not to the right of Clinton on the political spectrum.  Establishment Democrats do everything by the book.

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Personally I always thought building a car was a stupid idea.

Risks are massive.
Margins are slim.

Just look at the 'success' story of Tesla who is losing $30k on every car they sell. There isn't much profit to make in the industry.

Apple should just concentrate on making CarPlay much better. Or team up with a specific car company or several and build a better CarOS.

Right now CarPlay is not even close to perfect. 

And yet, Tesla just sold more Model S cars than BMW and Mercedes combined in the same segment.  Tesla is doing just fine. 

but Tesla is bleeding money. BMW & Mercedes are not.

Musk at this point doesn't care about profits and is helping spur innovative solutions throughout the industry. Every single car manufacturer is now coming out with whole lines of electric vehicles. Musks vision is beyond profits right now. 

How convenient. 

It's hilarious. "Beyond profits right now". Image the red ink without government support*. Must be a child, an academic, or some sort of communist**. But I repeat myself.

*had to laugh at an article I read a few months ago claiming Tesla did not benefit from Government support, and to support their argument outlined all the ways it is supported. Apparently they don't count as these support measures are also available to other low emission vehicles.

tesla is a visionary company and I am happy for them to make cars that accelerate new developments and act as a disruptor to the dinosaur car industry.  But eventually it will have to make a profit or die when Musk runs out of money. Watch the the usual suspects demand bigger handouts of future OPM then.


** hope the his doesn't need a /joke Tag. Or havent triggered anyone so they have to run to their safe place.

sooo... I have not seen Tesla's books or even there annual report, so perhaps a couple of questions perhaps the wise that have seen these (or internal accounting docs) could help me out with---

1) if Tesla had not invested in the Model 3(or even perhaps model X).. what would their profit level be? (note -- Musk says in interview- the margin in model 3 is about 25%)

2) Given above-- What is the known prove-able effect on Tesla Model S/X sales because the government subsidies? (zero, 100%? what? source please)

3) Given above--- Does Tesla not showing much profit in recent years (ala Amazon) while experiencing massive capital infrastructure cost for model 3 really mean anything?

BTW off topic - when I see that dash screen interface in model X/S, I swear that has to be Apple... but alas.. .sounds like not to be.

Your point 1) hints at is what is wrong with the zombie meme that Tesla loses tens of thousands of dollars on every car.  People arrive at that number by dividing Tesla's bottom line earnings by the number of cars sold.  This simplistic analysis ignores the fact that Tesla is spending massively building a huge battery factory in Nevada, doubling the size of their Fremont factory, expanding their worldwide network of fast charging stations, adding showrooms and service centers around the world, and designing new vehicles, to name just a few items.  I guess if people want to attribute all of Tesla's expenses to manufacturing the cars they sell now, they would have to also say that all those other items are being done for free.  That would be an accomplishment unheard of in the history of industry.  It saddens me that it took until post 75 for someone to offer any resistance to this denialist encyclopedia of a thread.  Why do people root so hard against Tesla?

Regarding the dash display, believe me, it's no Apple.  They just destroyed the ability to play your own music collection from USB with the most recent software update.
They are having memory problems like early iPhones had with multiple open Safari tabs having to reload all the time.

Even further off topic: it seems like about half the people on Tesla's forums hate Apple the same way people here hate Tesla.  People go berserk whenever there is a rumor that Apple might buy out Tesla and there is a massive thread on how Tesla should NOT implement CarPlay, in spite of the shortcomings of Tesla's audio software.