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williamh said:

cnocbui said:

latifbp said:

Ok Euros. You still not really value or appreciate now 7000 jobs in Ireland? Still want to degrade and devalue what Apple is contributing to Ireland?

Let me explain how this works as simply as I can:   All the foreign companies that have a presence in Ireland, are here because they see an advantage to themselves, not because they are doing Ireland a favour out of the goodness of the hearts that none of them have.

For sure they are all most welcome and Ireland would indeed be more stuffed than it is without the employment they provide, but this is not a one-way street.  There is also benefit for the companies, otherwise they wouldn't be here.

Duh, all of us dummies thought Apple was there just as a humanitarian gesture. No. Some of us question whether Apple is actually getting the benefit they sought. If the deals they made are going to be broken by the EU, if Apple is treated like a tax cheat and made to pay billions they did not owe, then one may reasonably question whether their presence in Ireland makes sense. 

It appears Apple and the Irish government did a deal that was in breach of EU law.  What would happen in the US if a state did a deal with a company and  told them they could ignore a federal law and dump toxic waste, or something similar?   Would the federal government say; 'you guys did a deal and now thousands of US citizens are dying from cancer from polluted groundwater, no sweat, that's cool since you did a deal.'?  Is that how it would go down?

512ke said:

Apple should get out of Ireland in my personal opinion. The deals they are making with the government there are not reliable over time. 

There you go, take your pick and write to Tim with your suggestion.  You might want to skip the UK.  If one of your criteria is fluency in English, your choices might be a bit limited.  How's Tim's Slovakian?

latifbp said:

Ok Euros. You still not really value or appreciate now 7000 jobs in Ireland? Still want to degrade and devalue what Apple is contributing to Ireland?

Let me explain how this works as simply as I can:   All the foreign companies that have a presence in Ireland, are here because they see an advantage to themselves, not because they are doing Ireland a favour out of the goodness of the hearts that none of them have.

For sure they are all most welcome and Ireland would indeed be more stuffed than it is without the employment they provide, but this is not a one-way street.  There is also benefit for the companies, otherwise they wouldn't be here.

What is it with this DEDesque article that initially gives the impression Apple needed permission from someone to expand it's workforce?  It's always got to be made out that the entire world is against Apple but that they miraculously prevail against all the evil forces opposing them.  Apple applied for planning permission to build more buildings and it was given approval.  That isn't close to being the same thing as implying Apple needed permission to employ more people.

sog35 said:

singularity said:

sog35 said:

lkrupp said:

But we never hear of actual, confirmed and verified cases of users’ identity or personal data being compromised in the wild... on either platform. I suppose things could happen with out the user’s knowledge but these security flaws don’t seem to be used by typical criminals. Is it just governments and spy agencies that use this stuff?

I've experienced it when I had an Android phone.

My apps would no longer work because I could not update the software.

Also on my Android tablet I actually lost in app purchases. I bought $5 worth of dots. The tablet crashed and my dots were gone.

That's when I swore I would never own an Android tablet/phone ever again. POS.

So you equate not being able to update apps with the security being compromised and data losses to nefarious people?

Go ahead and don't update your phone/computer for a couple of years and tell me what happens.

I haven't updated one of my phones since about 2011.  What happened is it continued to work and still works today.

beowulfschmidt said:

singularity said:

How dare the EU investigate a potential breach of the rules and omg then enforce any ruling.
There is no punitive recovery if the deal between Apple and Ireland is found to breach the rules. 

The problem is that if there was any wrongdoing, it was on the part of Ireland, or the Irish government, not Apple.  However, the EU wants to punish Apple.

This is a money grab on the part of the EU, plain and simple.  They're thieves and racketeers operating under the color of law.

How is making a company pay the taxes it would have paid anyway, 'punishment'?  If this were the US we would be talking the taxes plus a massive fine in addition - that would be punishment.

The worst possible outcome for Apple is that will just have to pay the taxes they should have paid in the first place, so they will be no worse off.

As an Irish tax payer, I can't tell you how much I would love to be 'punished' under the same terms Apple might be, should I ever be found to have not paid the appropriate amount of taxes.