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king editor the grate said:

Ugu. Curved screens. I procured open-box Studio Display to pair with Benq in portrait mode. Wanted Pro Display but it’s stupid expensive for composing newspaper pages. Considered other brands but everything big with high res was too curvaceous.

(I appreciate curvaceous in most situations.)

I've been very curious about the LG Dualup portrait monitor:

https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-28mq780-b-dualup-monitor


Have been contemplating how 2 of them side by side would work. It's a 4:5 monitor, so two of them would be like 8:5, about 40 inches across and 25 inches high or so.

Perhaps an option for you. PPI is about 137 though. No go for me. If it was 3072 x 3840, would be much more tempted.

13485 said:

If you buy a "Mercedes" you let them guide you through the features. Unless, of course, you're 9-Second guy who obviously is way too busy for that kind of hand-holding or social interaction, whether required for a product or not depending on your comfort level with figuring it all out on your own at home. I'm sure there'll be videos to get the basics.

I don't get the irritation some have about this. Apple will likely have chairs for you. And you're not obligated to buy--or buy-in. I'm not.

Yeah, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. Gurman is being his usual tabloid-adjacent self with all these articles revealing normal Apple practices, or any company, then the media around him take that tabloid framed piece of information and amps them to 11 as much as possible.

You absolutely want a long term demo on this product. It could make you motion sick, and if you are prone, you really should park yourself at the demo table and use it for as long as possible. You are also get help right there on how to use the device.

When buying a car, I wonder how long people demo the product? 30 minutes may be pretty generous. And obviously, there are some very expensive appliances that people have to buy without even using it. Also true of any product from Apple. They make it so easy to use all their products. It really behooves everyone to try before they buy.

And yeah, if you want to buy it right away and Apple has it in stock, they will sell you one as fast as possible and get you out the door. No demos required. Just like you walk into a car dealer and give them the money for car on the lot, they will sell it to you as fast as possible and get you out the door.

I’m pretty negative on the magnetic cables, at least the way these coil up. 

sevenfeet said:

toddzrx said:

godofbiscuitssf said:

emoeller said:

That’s President Al Gore you’re speaking of and he deserved to be on the BoD.

Please enlighten us as to his contribution?

"An Inconvenient Truth" is considered a seminal work on climate change and bringing attention to it the general public.  Apple changed the industry to consider "performance/watt" instead of just raw performance.  Apple has been pushing green initiatives and recycling in a higher profile way than any other large tech company and probably any other corporation period.  It pervades their entire image.  

An Inconvenient Truth is a pile of pseudoscience. It was debunked the moment it was released.  Please, get your information from reliable sources. Al Gore isn’t one.

toddzrx said:

godofbiscuitssf said:

emoeller said:

That’s President Al Gore you’re speaking of and he deserved to be on the BoD.

Please enlighten us as to his contribution?

"An Inconvenient Truth" is considered a seminal work on climate change and bringing attention to it the general public.  Apple changed the industry to consider "performance/watt" instead of just raw performance.  Apple has been pushing green initiatives and recycling in a higher profile way than any other large tech company and probably any other corporation period.  It pervades their entire image.  

An Inconvenient Truth is a pile of pseudoscience. It was debunked the moment it was released.  Please, get your information from reliable sources. Al Gore isn’t one.

My wife has a PhD in what you call "pseudoscience". Thousands of researchers around the world who do this kind of work in the field, labs and classrooms would like a word with you. Science doesn't conform to politics....it just is. Ignore it at your...and all of our peril.

Yeah, the science is now part of the culture war, which the media loves to play up, rather than just reporting facts. Global warming is drop dead easy physics, but unfortunately, so many people now would rather believe in the fantasy than the reality. It's been a disgrace all around.

To address global warming, all that is happening is the means of energy production is changing from digging up fossil fuels and burning them to using wind, solar, batteries, nuclear and electricity. Nobody's lifestyle will be changing. They will still be driving cars. Ones that will be powered by batteries instead of gas. Homes will still be heated. People will still be flying airplanes. Texas' electricity grid has been running about 50% to 70% carbon free for the past week. I don't think anyone has noticed.

Anyways, Gore was an excellent choice for an Apple board member because of his experience in politics, environmentalism, information technology knowledge, and being a Mac fan. He got some criticism for having 3 Apple Cinema Displays, but as an Apple and computer fan, all I saw with that was a dude who liked his computing and had the means to enjoy it. Cult of Mac literally has a running series of articles where they publish people's desk setups. That was literally the same thing. It's fun to see how people have setup their workspace and what hardware they are using.

The important thing about the board is not to have a monoculture of ex-CEOs. CEOs, CFOs, etc, of large companies are inculcated into certain behaviors that could be detrimental to a company. You need people who think out-of-the-box.

danox said:

tht said:

It needs to have:

Full fledged set of web browsers (Chrome, Safari, et al)
MS Office that is feature equivalent to MS Office for Mac (Excel, Word, Powerpoint and Teams)
Suite of comms apps (Teams, Slack, Zoom, Webex)
Terminal.app and installable CLI packages

They really didn't push to do this for iPad, but for Vision Pro? They really need to push to get as many PC apps as they can onto the platform. And iPads could ride its tail as it should be simple to get apps on  both platforms once you get one.

None of those Apps will sell any Apple device let alone a Apple Vision Pro, that is a laundry list for a weak HP or Dell laptop and Safari can't run on it.

Oh, you are sorely mistaken, or I just don't understand what you are saying.

Without those, Macs would have died in 2002 or so. There was a field of 6 to 8 platforms in the 90s competing in the PC space, and the only non-MS survivor was Apple. The only reason it survived was because Microsoft Office made it to Mac OS X. OS/2, BeOS, NeXTSTEP, all the workstation Unixen, Amiga, Atari, so on and so forth, all died and MS Office not being on the platform was a big reason.

Microsoft Office's dominance hasn't changed. You want to do office automation work in VisionOS, and have you company buy one for you, you need to have the IT required set of office apps. That's MS Office. If you don't have it, you will be regulated to a niche or specialist device, a device that doesn't serve the function of a PC. That is a fraught position to be in for a PC platform.

Today, no new PC platform will be successful without the top 3, and I'd argue VP really needs the 4th. The VP is definitely a PC platform, designed to be used as a computer for the office, for home, and on the go. As such, it needs a minimum set of PC applications which major portions of the PC market uses.

The XR apps are really for niche portions of the market, and mayhap there will be some app there that can drive sales of the VP, but if the dominant PC apps aren't there with it, it's a dangerous position to be in. There's a network effect of needing the apps and features everyone else is using, and all it takes is for a competitor to have those features plus the XR apps that drives the sales of the VP to starts eroding sales.