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  • Apple execs say iPadOS 15 helps users to multitask with UI changes

    elijahg said:
    tht said:
    darkvader said:
    When I saw the multitasking demo, it seemed complicated and not at all intuitive. I would not be able to repeat what I saw without a lot of experimentation. I think much of the success of Apple products has come from their ability to make things that work the way you’d expect them to, and knowing when less is more in terms of functionality. Simple elegance. I recognize the desire to add functionality to make the products more powerful/useful, and I know it gets progressively more difficult to add functionality without sacrificing ease of use, but that’s the genius that has so often distinguished Apple from their competitors (until they all copied it, and eventually we all accepted the solution to the problem as obvious). 
    Apple abandoned intuitive a long time ago.

    In the real world, lots of people still don't understand when they should click and when they should double click.  They don't know they can hit return instead of mousing to the ok button in a password dialog.  And those people aren't all drooling morons, they're successful business owners, they're lawyers, they're doctors, they're college professors.  

    No, Apple has now decided that the water buffalo lodge secret handshake is somehow a good UI.  Most users will never even attempt it.
    There's always opposite sides of the spectrum. Some users want the whole deal with iPads: arbitrary and overlapping app views, unlimited background tasking, full access to the Unix subsystem, virtual machines, turning on the page file, extended display support so on and so forth.
    Then those users should get an iPad Pro, and non-pro users should get an iPad, with an OS for pro users (multitasking, UNIX subsystem etc) and an OS for non-pros, respectively. But as is, Apple is trying to shoehorn too many things into the OS to make it "pro" whilst making all apps full screen and thus missing some kind of always visible system-wide UI features (like the macOS menu bar). If there is a button to press to initiate the app switcher, rather than yet another slide-in gesture, it's very unlikely to be accidentally triggered, and if it is, it is obvious - intuitive - what you've done to reach that feature. Multi finger swipes and slide-ins couldn't be less intuitive. At least iOS has a small visible hint for its slide-ins.

    All these inconsistent features make the whole thing a bit of a kludge, and make it just as frustrating as using a desktop OS on a tablet.
    Yes, I'd like to see an "Expert Mode" in Settings to turn on all the Unix and backgrounding features. However, I think Apple sees adding switch settings as a failure of design as it would lead down to a morass of settings. So, they won't do it until all other options are exhausted. That operating systems have so many settings tells you the amount of complexity there is in modern operating systems. Lots of last resorts. The iPadOS 15 UI does open the door for an expert setting though, or a broader multitasking environement. Since there is a pop-up button and possible even a handle that is designed for mouse usage, this UI can scale to external displays much much easier than the iPadOS 14 UI and prior.

    Apple still has a lot of work to do to automatically make apps that don't support Split View or Slide Over support a multi-view environment though.

    It's not a simple problem to scale a computer from novice to expert, and Apple basically gave up trying with macOS if you recall. Way back when, Mac OS X had a single application mode. There is also a "child" mode where it simplifies the UI too. It's interesting that these are never discussed. It could be testament to iPhones and iPads, basically single application UI devices, having obviated the need for them in macOS, and they are now either deprecated or left unchanged or to slowly wither away on macOS.
    elijahg
  • Apple execs say iPadOS 15 helps users to multitask with UI changes

    darkvader said:
    When I saw the multitasking demo, it seemed complicated and not at all intuitive. I would not be able to repeat what I saw without a lot of experimentation. I think much of the success of Apple products has come from their ability to make things that work the way you’d expect them to, and knowing when less is more in terms of functionality. Simple elegance. I recognize the desire to add functionality to make the products more powerful/useful, and I know it gets progressively more difficult to add functionality without sacrificing ease of use, but that’s the genius that has so often distinguished Apple from their competitors (until they all copied it, and eventually we all accepted the solution to the problem as obvious). 
    Apple abandoned intuitive a long time ago.

    In the real world, lots of people still don't understand when they should click and when they should double click.  They don't know they can hit return instead of mousing to the ok button in a password dialog.  And those people aren't all drooling morons, they're successful business owners, they're lawyers, they're doctors, they're college professors.  

    No, Apple has now decided that the water buffalo lodge secret handshake is somehow a good UI.  Most users will never even attempt it.
    There's always opposite sides of the spectrum. Some users want the whole deal with iPads: arbitrary and overlapping app views, unlimited background tasking, full access to the Unix subsystem, virtual machines, turning on the page file, extended display support so on and so forth.

    Apple's job is to keep it straightforward for novice users yet have the system allow complexity as a user's expertise grows. Tough job. They have not abandoned any principles. Intuitive as a word describing easy to use UI isn't really appropriate imo. There isn't anything instinctive with computers. Id, there is nothing intuitive about it. It's all learned behaviors. They need to strike a balance for the users, and they have been doing that, and with iPad, they definitely have been keeping it on simpler or limited side of the spectrum. If I would criticize them for something, it's they aren't using the advertising power to educate their buyers on how to use their hardware. They really need to run commercials and advertisements that just show people how to use the UI.

    I don't think there is a way around it. To enable people to do more and more complex things, there has to be knowledge imparted on those who don't have the time or don't want to learn how to use things. I'm not talking about people as in you or an individual, but the mass market of hundreds of millions of users and potential buyers. This is true of every single machine on the mass market. Microwave? People probably only know how to use 1% of the functions. Toaster oven? 5%? People probably don't even bother to change the temperature from out of the box settings on their refrigerators.

    The answer isn't to limit the functionality. It's to design the UI to scale with a user's expertise, and to educate users so they can grow their expertise. Apple's done pretty good at the former imo, with them definitely leaning towards keeping complex things of the iPad. They really have done much education on how to use their devices since the iPhone introduction.
    netroxStrangeDaysFileMakerFeller
  • Apple execs say iPadOS 15 helps users to multitask with UI changes

    neilm said:
    I wish multitasking on my iPad Pro could be turned off. I’ve never once wanted it —have a Mac for that —but every now and again I fat finger something and it gets accidentally invoked in the most annoying fashion. The worst is split-screening Safari, which completely screws up whatever I was doing.
    Amen to that—thought it was just me. I can’t do a leisurely scroll though my AppleNews+ feed without inadvertently invoking pop-ups, slide-ins, and other annoyances that defy my efforts to dismiss them. I have to quit the app sometimes in order to get rid of them. At very least they could put a little X in the corner to dismiss. Need a “classic mode” for those who like unitasking. 
    Settings --> Home Screen & Dock --> Multitasking 

    Two different settings: Allow Multiple Apps and Gestures. Just turn them off.
    williamlondonapplguyalexonlineneilmrobin huberStrangeDayskiltedgreenfastasleepFileMakerFeller
  • Multitasking on iPad gets some polish with iPadOS 15

    elijahg said:

    Perhaps if you use just two windows then ok - two side by side full screen windows is just fine. But when you have 3 or 4 windows with different content, referencing 2 of them whilst typing into one and seeing the results in another, being stuck with two is a massive chore, constantly having to switch between full-screen apps is much less productive than having the content visible all at once. Switching between full screen apps on iPadOS is slow as well; a quick command-tab on macOS and you're there instantly, the 5 finger swipe on iPadOS just feels sluggish. Then it rearranges the apps such that sometimes you'd have to swipe three times to get to the fourth window, sometimes twice. I can most definitely be more productive on macOS with 3+ windows than I can on iPadOS. 
    I can see that you could have more windows open, I just am having difficulty seeing how much of the content would be visible when an app window is a quarter (or less) of a 13” screen. Unless of course the information that you are needing off of one of them is so small and select in nature that you could keep it that small. For me, in that instance, I’d probably just bring up that information on my phone and use that as my small window. Even if I needed to copy something from the “phone window”, to the iPad, that can easily be done with continuity. 

    4 finger swiping is quick, but you’re right that it can be cumbersome if the app that you are using is 3 or 4 back. In those scenarios I would swipe up and select the app I want rather that mindlessly 4 finger swiping through previous apps (or windows or whatever you want to call them). 
    I have it much worse. I've been using my iPP10.5 as my sole personal computer for about 4 years now, and I don't use it with an external keyboard. So, when I enter text, I do it with the software keyboard and that reduces the area for apps about 30%! But actually use Split View, Slide Over this way all the time. Really can't displays more than 2 views at that size. But, arbitrary view sizes and arbitrary numbers of simultaneous, overlapping app views is but one aspect of multitasking. If they allowed background apps to run with much longer timers, up to infinity for some, allow for multiple streams of audio and video, that may be bigger feature than arbitrary, overlapping windows.

    Currently, Apple isn't positioning the iPad to be a desktop computer, where you could have 20, 30, 40 inches of display space. It's really a tablet whose primary use is through touch and used as handheld device. The current external display support is really only for apps to use to display app content. It's really not a system extension. This will probably change eventually as the new multitasking UI mechanisms are designed for both single touch and mouse, and looks extensible to external monitors. So it is coming. Obviously, they are not in a rush as the iPad is a handheld touch computer first, and a desktop PC like 10 steps down the list. But it's coming. The new UI mechanisms make it much more possible. Lots of software to change still, but it's coming.
    watto_cobra
  • Yes, the old Magic Keyboard works on the 2021 iPad Pro

    As has been said, if you use something like SwitchEasy's CoverBuddy and or a thick screen protector for 2021 iPP12.9 with a 2020 MK, it's going to be dicey. A thin screen protector by itself may be ok. I think the CoverBuddy just isn't going to work. They are somewhat iffy with the MK and 2018/2020 iPP models. It's a mostly works ok type of situation. The 2021 iPP12.9, doubtful.
    watto_cobra