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Masimo has spent $100M in Apple Watch patent infringement fight
You are thinking about trademarks, not patents. If a company doesn't defend its trademarks, like the Apple logo, Coca-Cola bottles, MS Windows (both the word and logo), they supposedly are at risk of them.spheric said:
Masimo aren't "the little guy". They're a $6 BILLION company. (They briefly reached about 15 billion during Covid.) They've been building pulse oximetry equipment for health care for 25 years.slurpy said:People are still gullible enough to buy this "I'm fighting for the little guy, against big baddie Apple, even if I lose everything, I'm doing it for virtue and justice!" horse-shit?
Yep, apparently people are, even on this very forum. Stunning how some of you are so easily propagandized.
Stuff like this is their bread and butter:This is NOT some patent troll going after Apple for easy money. This lawsuit is not easy money — it has already cost them $100 million, and it's unclear whether they will win.But these guys are going after Apple because they were there first, they've been doing it — and doing it well — for a LONG time, and they have to clarify whether Apple is infringing, because even if they lose, if they don't defend their own patents, they WILL be invalidated for all future court cases, because that's what happens if you let them languish and don't defend them.
Patents are valid until they expire. If a company decides to use them to sue another company, the patents could be invalidated. "Submarine" patents have been used to sure all the time, where some product, process or method is left to mature over 5 to 10 years, and the patent holders use that patent to sue everyone who are using that product, process or method.
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Masimo has spent $100M in Apple Watch patent infringement fight
Really hate it when a company's stock market valuation is used as a metric for how big a big company is. The stock market valuation is meaningless, even to investors. Masimo had about $2b in revenue in 2022, 1.3b of which are medical devices and components. 0.7b is "non-healthcare". I presume their patent licensing is a significant chunk of that. They will have about 0.15b in profit. So, those patent litigation wins as reported by the DOJ represent a good fraction of Masimo's revenue.
Strategically, Kiani wants to enter the consumer health/fitness device markets going into the future, with such things as wrist watches, and with a purchase of a headphone company, audio devices.
There are obviously a lot of companies with smart watches with health related products and health related features in headphones will be coming, Not a coincidence that a litigious company like Masimo is suing Apple. There will be a period of patent litigation as tech gadgets get more and more health related features. Medical device companies with patent portfolios will be on the lookout to sue consumer device companies. It will take a while to shake out.
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Masimo has spent $100M in Apple Watch patent infringement fight
The Masimo vs Apple patent and trade secrets case ended in a mistrial, where the jury voted 6-1 in favor of Apple. Mistrial means no action from the Court I believe. Masimo is appealing.tophatnosocks said:Masimo already won the patten case, correct? Just Apple contesting in court the outcome...
So ya getting Apple to pay up is next, but this Kiani guy thinking that, that also entitles him to "change its interactions with smaller companies." of Apple, is really a joke.
I get that they 'Apple' should, but that's not what his win in court was. It really makes me laugh at this Kiani guy. He's acting like some kind of police, and don't forget Masimo is an almost two billion dollar company. They hosed people somewhere.
The Apple patent appeals trial against Masimo’s asserted patents resulted in 15 of 17 asserted patents being invalidated. Apple is continuing to try to get the last 2 invalidated.The Apple vs Masimo countersuit on Masimo’s W1 watch is ongoing.The Masimo vs Apple US International Trade Commission case is now pending US Fed Appeals court review on whether Apple’s proposed software update stops the ITC’s claim that Apple infringed on a couple of patents. Jan 10 to 15. If the Court says Apple’s software update is likely to stop infringement, they will prevent the ITC import ban from taking effect until the software update is finished? Then further review for another 10 months?
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Masimo has spent $100M in Apple Watch patent infringement fight
The profile on the company and Kiani's legal fights includes claims that some people view his "aggressive use of the U.S. patent system" as being "exploitation that stymies the innovation of others."Ah, a patent troll after all.After reading the Masimo vs True Wearables case, you really have to think that some aspects of the court are just irrational and willfully incurious.The case centered on whether n-dimensional regression fitting could be considered a secret. A statistics expert in the case say this type of algorithm technique has been in use for 60 years.The court deemed that it may be known in fields of math, but it is not in well known in the field of medical devices, and therefore could be considered a trade secret. True Wearables was prevented from being awarded a patent, and is now out of business I think.Absolutely nutso decision. When all this stuff uses ML, basically n-dimensional fitting but not constrained to the linear expansion old techniques use, I wonder what the courts are going to say.
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Apple is pushing hard to make the Mac relevant in gaming
Like has been said time and time again, I can’t see Apple being serious with gaming until they become a publisher. Like always making sure the top 10-20 games are contemporaneously on the platform while also maintaining a library of old hits.
The thing that solidifies it is when people actually spend money on the games. This is the only way to make it self perpetuating.
