bloodshotrollin'red

tallest skil said:

bloodshotrollin’red said:
All independent sentient life is worth protecting.

"Sapient, but sure."

How presumptuous of you. You've clearly not seen naturalist documentaries which show the acquired wisdom of many (maybe all) animals. We know that if, for instance, an elephant matriarch is killed by a poacher or hunter it causes havoc within the entire memory left behind. The loss of a wise matriarch may lead to famine, deaths from thirst, miscarriage, etc.

It would do you know harm to watch a handful of well researched natural history documentaries by the BBC if you truly believe the human animal is the only wise (sapient) animal currently living on this planet.

"That wasn’t anyone’s assumption."

I said, "All independent sentient life is worth protecting.", All means everything no matter what.

And deaths (et. al.) due to inability to defend oneself? How do those register?Still on the taxpayer’s dime, though. Note that I’m not against institutionalisation as a concept.

Nationalists expect their service personnel to die in instances where no defence was possible or failed. Tax dollars. Nationalists accept greater collateral damage of non-combatants overseas at the hands of their service personnel than they do the collateral damage caused by gun-toting' citizens given the right to bare arms. Tax dollars. 

"[citation needed]"

Grow up! You know they'll be as many pro as anti claims to Capital Punishment. I can find citations, then so can you. My stance is Capital Punishment is never applied objectively. It can and does murder people who were "innocent" of the crime they were alleged to have committed. And, whilst I'm an atheist I do hold that no one should kill another.
 
"Capital punishment isn’t murder, sorry."

Semantics. Laws. Whose laws...those arrived at by men (and latterly women) or the multitude laws laid out in that divisive Hebrew tome of fables to which they've added sequels?

"Sure. No need to waste time or effort with special chemicals. I’m 100% for quick and painless. It’s the difference between civilisation and, assumedly, what he did to deserve this."

The difference between civilisation and barbarity is the lack of Capital Punishment. Only the most barbarous nations hold with the Death Penalty.

"I acknowledge the bastardisation of our founding system and work to fix it."

I don't know you, however, I suspect that your claim is untrue. You appear to spend most of your leisure time adding to your unhealthy 49,500 postings on this web-site.

"1. A functional relationship would not include this.
2. A man has no choice, by law."

There will be numerous instances where a man and a women have chosen to agree to terminate or proceed with a pregnancy.

ttollerton said:

bloodshotrollin'red said:

America is so damned screwed up when it comes to Human Rights' issues. You all know everything dies, yet millions of you; ...defend your "right" to bear arms, ...support Capital Punishment ...go outdoors and kill or maim wildlife on a whim... help cause untold misery in third-world countries where our planets poorest get to live short, wretched lives clawing minerals from their soil in the destructive process of providing you with products you don't really need. So, it's bloody amusing when those of you get so yippity-yuppety about a woman or a man's choice to terminate a pregnancy; grounds for which may be myriad and often in the interests of the zygote. 75% of American's cling to a totally unprovable belief that some god, thought up by Pagan Semites just a few moments ago, equivocally divines how and when all life both begins and ends. Yet, of the incontrovertible fact this same god terminates countless more zygotes than his creations could ever do, you don't question his morality.

How do you "divine" something?  I think America's screwed up because we're so quick to defend the right to rip babies out of the womb and yet claim to care so much about our children, in spite of a monster divorce rate with single parents taking care of babies...ignoring so many studies that prove the connection between loving households with two parents and success in adult life.  That's why I think America is screwed up.  

tallest skil said:

bloodshotrollin'red said:

your "right" to bear arms

"So you believe that innocent life is not worth protecting."

All independent sentient life is worth protecting. The assumption that only "innocent" people die by the gun is not reflected in statistics. America's profligate firearms laws means anyone can be on the receiving end of a bullet; be they law abiding or of criminal intent. In the UK the number of deaths by firearms is barely registered outside of the criminal underworld. However, those people here trained to use guns in the course of their "civic duties" quite often kill unarmed people who were not remotely involved in criminal actions. I believe to a far, far greater degree, America has the same problem with its own armed police.

"So you believe that you should be forced to pay for an entire lifetime of luxury for a mass murderer."

I believe in a system of rehabilitation. Locking a person up and throwing away the key is barbaric. If a person is so psychologically damaged that they cannot comprehend the consequences of their actions they should be cared for in a secure hospital environment.
It has also been established, well beyond any reasonable doubt, that in a Judaeo-Christian culture capital punishment does not deter illegal killing. So, the point of it is...? Also, if you feel compelled to adopt the madness of an eye for an eye, why not murder the murderer on death row by hypoxia? Loss of consciousness takes two to three seconds, the executed have no physical or psychological awareness that they're dying and, crucially for a population of capitalists,  the process used (any inert gas, but preferably Argon) is materially cheap, naturally abundant, environmentally clean.

"So you believe that animals are people."

No, silly. I believe people are animals.

"El oh el."

Acknowledge your role in consumerism. The selfish benefits goods may bring you means somewhere along its passage into your life less fortunate people have paid a high price in environmental degradation and personal deprivation gathering base materials which enables you to use it as a status symbol until its psychological obsolescence is assured by marketeers.

"A man has no choice."

They do within a functional relationship.

"So you believe in God and yet don’t believe in God?" 

No, I don't believe in god. Though, despite a total vacuum of any evidence, theists do believe god's existence is incontrovertible. Just how they come to that conclusion is beyond my powers of reasoning. 

cnocbui said:

bloodshotrollin'red said:

America is so damned screwed up when it comes to Human Rights' issues. You all know everything dies, yet millions of you; ...defend your "right" to bear arms, ...support Capital Punishment ...go outdoors and kill or maim wildlife on a whim... help cause untold misery in third-world countries where our planets poorest get to live short, wretched lives clawing minerals from their soil in the destructive process of providing you with products you don't really need. So, it's bloody amusing when those of you get so yippity-yuppety about a woman or a man's choice to terminate a pregnancy; grounds for which may be myriad and often in the interests of the zygote. 75% of American's cling to a totally unprovable belief that some god, thought up by Pagan Semites just a few moments ago, equivocally divines how and when all life both begins and ends. Yet, of the incontrovertible fact this same god terminates countless more zygotes than his creations could ever do, you don't question his morality.

At least women in the US can get an abortion.  In Ireland they can't, even if the pregnancy is life threatening.