lowededwookie

dewme said:

lowededwookie said:

I’ve been waiting forever for this to happen. I loathe search engines as they are because they are keyword based. This is not how humans seek information.

Sure, this AI has a way to go but it will get better quickly now that M$ and to a lesser extent Google are onboard.

Google however will not be going full boar into this development though. They’ll give the impression that they are but ultimately it’s too much of a risk to their business model for them to take it seriously. M$ and Apple have a vested interest in this route. The difference is that Apple is doing it on device not on browser.

Those complaining about Siri aren’t seeing the forest for the trees. Apple is working behind the scenes to get the technology there before it’s fully unleashed on the world. They’re giving us snippets of what Siri is capable of. I’d say in 5 years Siri will outperform all other AI systems because the backends will be far more powerful.

I’m not seeing where your faith in Apple’s ability to overcome obstacles that companies having far greater knowledge and experience in information science, library science, classification systems, and understanding temporal and contextual associative relationships comes from. Google and Amazon have far more experience and expertise in these areas, many of which have been evolving since the 17th century. The scientific and mathematical basis for some of the association and classification algorithms were derived well before computers were available to actually execute the logic in real time and at scale. It’s similar to many of the advancements in computer architecture which were designed in the 1950s and 1960s but only became relevant and usable when the implementations could be done at VLSI levels at the micro and nano level.

In simple terms, coming up with solutions using AI, ML, big data, etc., aren’t a matter of cleverly pulling a rabbit out of a hat. The “hat” that hosts the rabbit is very deep in sciences that have existed for quite some time, hundreds of years in some case, and requires specific domain  experience and knowledge that has not been the primary focus of device makers, unless the device is merely a portal into the services that are generating the revenue. 

Apple has been a product company that sells devices. They are relatively new to the services businesses that lean on the technologies contributing to AI and those that require access to big data. Apple has purposely limited its ability to delve too deeply into associating privileged data that it receives from its customer base, which puts them behind the curve in many ways compared to say Google or Amazon. I don’t think we need to come up with rationale to explain Siri’s slow development, much less portray it as if Apple is “holding back” to make sure they have it “perfected” before showing off its “true magic” to the world. Apple is still learning, plain and simple. They didn’t invent the technology, they bought it. That’s perfectly fine. But now that it’s theirs they’ve been doing their homework to understand the science behind it better and see what kind of Apple-specific secret sauce they can add to it without stepping on their customer’s toes, like some other companies have no problem doing.

The whole notion of Apple having any overwhelming competitive advantage on “back end” technology, much less implementation, is wildly optimistic. They aren’t close to being in that position now, but who knows, they may get there eventually. They have a massive number of very smart people and nearly unlimited resources. 

My faith in Apple comes from their past releases.

Photos is doing more in terms of OCR than has ever been done before. If search providers like Google, M$, or even Amazon had the skills why have they only just started releasing products?

Apple has access to all sorts of information, much of it the same places as M$ and Google. Most importantly though, Apple has the drive to further this technology.

Apple has moved us to accept AR which gives it access to data that Google doesn’t/can’t leverage. Hell, compared to Google Maps, Apple Maps is in my experience a far more accurate system. I know many people disagree but I can tell you that Apple Maps gives me more streets in my city than Google Maps does. If Google has more skills than Apple why is t it delivering?