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This situation is quite interesting. It's a real-life, unscripted drama that nobody knows the end of.  All of these possibilities are in play:

* Biden signs the waiver of his own accord.
* Apple influences Biden to sign the waiver (perhaps via a large campaign contribution now allowed in the wake of Citizens United.)
* Apple redesigns the S9 and U2.
* Apple abandons the S9 and U2 and is already hard at work bringing an S10 and U3 to market that don't violate Masimo's patents.
* Apple successfully challenges the patents with the USTO.
* Apple only sells the Watch SE until August 2028.
* Apple buys Masimo (or a controlling stake).
* Apple successfully gets Masimo's watch taken off the market, thereby giving them a bargaining chip to get their own back on the market.
* Apple licenses Masimo's technology for an unreasonable price.
* Apple initiates and wins a FRAND suit that forces Masimo to license the technology to Apple at a reasonable price.

Obviously some of these are far more likely than others, but you can't deny that nobody really knows what the outcome will be.

wonkothesane said:

Anybody else who’s surprised we actually reached that point, pls raise their hand. 

OTOH, this may be an indication that Apple is very convinced they ultimately prevail. And, wouldn’t  they be able to claim damages from lost sales etc , in that case?

I am surprised this actually came to pass. As far as I'm aware, this is unprecedented: Apple has never halted sales of a product before due to a legal ruling. They've always found a way around it, until now.

22july2013 said:

For those of us outside the USA who have been waiting for 4+ years for this service, with no hint of it arriving in our countries, we kinda hope the service will die in the USA. Apple needs to think worldwide, and not provide services to Americans only. How many other Apple services are available in the US only?

Why do you think Apple would be capable of rolling out such a complex financial offering worldwide all at once? Every single product Apple brings to market is rolled out in the U.S. first. Then, when the bugs are worked out and the product is a success, it gets spread wider. Apple Card is not currently a success, thus this story. 

I completely understand G.S. not wanting every bill to be due on the 1st of the month. Imagine you're a retailer and all your customers come in on the 1st, leaving you with no customers days 2-30.  It's unreasonable of Apple to have G.S. have to handle an onslaught of bills just one day of the month and not be willing to spread them out.  As an Apple Card customer, I'd be fine having mine not be on the 1st, but Apple has never bothered to ask. 

danox said:

the public (driver) will always lie in an accident.

Not always. I had an Apple Genius claim one of the moisture detectors in one of my iPhones was triggered, and said I must have gotten the iPhone wet. I definitely didn't. It's been 7-8 years now so I have no reason or incentive to lie. Those detectors really could be triggered falsely.  My understanding is that having a phone near steam, such as comes from cooking or a hot shower, is all was needed to turn them from white to pink.  I also heard that living somewhere with persistent high humidity could trigger the ones that got the most airflow. I have no way of knowing either of these for sure; just that my phone did not get wet but one (and only one) of mine was triggered, but just having one was enough for me to be accused by the Genius.