dws-2

I hope it's the same "additional time" they needed for the magic charging mat.

designr said:

dws-2 said:

However, it is _less_ likely that a vaccinated person would get sick and spread Covid.

Is there any data on this?

What I've read on this is that vaccinated people who get a delta-variant "breakthrough" infection seem to be more likely to be asymptomatically infectious.

I think what you're saying is that, once sick, vaccinated people spread it just as effectively as unvaccinated, which is true, with the caveat that the vaccinated tend to have a shorter period of time when contagious. What I was trying to say is that vaccinated people were less likely to get (and therefore spread) covid.

The protection of the vaccines from getting sick from Delta ranges anywhere from a low of about 35% (in other words, about 1/3, which is if three unvaccinated people get sick, then two vaccinated people get sick under the same conditions) to a high of about 80%. The range might be because of the differences in the populations being tested and the time since vaccination. For example, in Israel, the number is around 35%, maybe because it has been a long time since initial vaccination. In England, the protection is much better, maybe because they spaced out their shots more widely, and the time since people's second shot is much shorter.

What is confusing is that the CDC, until recently, was combining numbers from Delta and non-Delta covid, which incorrectly made the protection from the vaccine seem higher than it is. In general, the CDC has done a bad job of monitoring and updating when new information becomes available. They have also been really bad at communicating, making absolute statements one day, then changing it the next day. This is a fast changing situation, and communication should be clear about that uncertainty rather than state everything as a fact.

bkSoCal said:

You're contradicting your own theory... If you have "several" fully vaccinated people getting "hit" with the Delta Variant - then why couldn't one of them be the source of the infection in your office - instead of the one that wasn't vaccinated? Your logic doesn't follow every possible conclusion. You assume that someone unvaccinated was the source of the infection - however you clearly stated that fully vaccinated people can be infected as well. Take a step back and try to fully comprehend your illogical stance...  

Definitely some truth to this. With Delta, vaccinated people are getting and spreading Covid. It easily could have been a vaccinated person who spread it to the office. However, it is _less_ likely that a vaccinated person would get sick and spread Covid. For an office environment, it would be about minimizing rather than eliminating risk.

Another big factor for an employer: Hospitalization is extremely expensive, and employees' health expenditures directly affect negotiations with the employer's health insurance provider. The vaccine has a very good effect at preventing serious illness and hospitalization, so that alone would be a good reason to require it. Finally, because unvaccinated employees are more likely to have serious illness, they're also more likely to miss long periods of work because they're sick with covid.

Overall, employers aren't running a charity. They're trying to make money, which is more difficult with more sick employees spending health insurance dollars and sick leave time.

byronl said:

i’m glad they aren’t forcing employees to get vaccinated. no one should be forced to take the vaccine.

I agree. They should have the option of finding another job.

I'm surprised that the Apple Watch is used for research anyway. If I take a heart rate variability reading with the Breathe app, I get around 110-120. The automatic readings are around 20-30. Sort of silly, and it's unclear what meaning I would attach to any of it.