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mdriftmeyer said:

22july2013 said:

David H Dennis said:

I will admit to not knowing too much about this, but my impression was that eGPUs were connected to Intel’s PCI standard, and therefore would only function with Intel chipsets.  So of course Apple Silicon would not support EGPUs.

If I understood the keynote correctly, it seemed like the Apple CPUs and graphics chips were designed to work directly together, cutting the overhead of external chipsets and therefore much faster and more efficient.  This means you are counting on Apple’s graphics engineers as your sole source for graphics developments.  

I was expecting to see a 16” MacBook Pro after the 13” MacBook Pro.  So I was disappointed that didn’t happen. But the logical conclusion is that the larger MacBook Pro systems are going to be considerably faster than the lesser models and therefore very much worth looking at.  I think we should pass judgement on Apple’s solutions here when the larger machine is introduced and benchmarked.

However, I’m tempted to buy a 13” MacBook Pro just so I can say I have it and am on the cutting edge ... just the typical programmer’s ego I’m afraid.

I concur with most of your post, although using the logic in your first paragraph we should not have been expecting Thunderbolt support, since Thunderbolt up until now "would only function with Intel chipsets." Somehow Apple managed to make Thunderbolt (v3) work, and (perhaps) they could have managed the same with PCI. Especially since the PCI standard is no longer managed by Intel but by PCI-SIG which has 800 members, but the primary members seem to be: Agilent, AMD, Dell, HP, Intel, Synopsys, NVIDIA, and Qualcomm. I don't see Apple in there.

Every computer vendor in the world supports PCI. the M1 for sure has PCI or it would be Dead on Arrival. PCIe is the defacto standard that DDR memory runs over. The ignorance of some who called this Intel's PCI standard is sad in the year 2020.

wizard69 said:

dewme said:

wizard69 said:

Pjs said:

The future of the Ipad pro is bleak.  Prices are higher.  And they still use the Ios base ....

On the contrary, put this class of chip in an iPad and you have the most powerful table going.    IPad OS is a mixed bag and I really hope that they address the short comings there.   It wold be interesting to see Mac OS on a tablet like iPad but I'm not sure that is a reasonable long term play for Apple.    Rather I see Apple working far more AI techniques into both Mac OS and iPad OS to drive these operating systems forward.

I’m waiting to see how iOS/iPadOS apps work out on M1 Macs. Running them is one thing, but running them well and with a good user experience is quite another. My expectations are high because the mouse and keyboard experience in iPadOS is actually quite good, but I’m probably forgetting the few times I’ve had to (or decided to) revert to touch only because it was still an option. Things like window sizing is still a mystery. Do you have to pick a reference iPad screen like you do in XCode?

We’ll see. 

I will be interesting to see how iPad software on the Mac works out.   I'd be surprised if Apples first effort at the support remains around for a long time.    That is running iPad apps will be refined over time.

I'm not too convinced that running ipad apps will be a long term thing on the ARM Macs, what it will be is a great way to get native apps early in the development cycle.   If Apple performance specs reflect the real life experience I'm expecting developers to transition to these machine pretty fast.   In a year or two the old x86 Macs will not even be getting app updates.

rob53 said:

https://www.linux.com/training-tutorials/4-fine-linux-arm-distros/ Lists four free linux distributions that run on ARM. It would be interesting if Apple tries to recompile Bootcamp for ARM linux distributions or if they simply want users to use virtualization software. It would be nice to see linux running native under Bootcamp making use of the M1's advanced security architecture.

rob53 said:

youngjm said:

Did anyone see the Tweet from VMWARE announcing their support?  Details forthcoming:

So excited for todays announcements from @Apple! ;

While we're not quite ready to announce our timeline, we're happy to say that we are committed to delivering VMware virtual machines on #AppleSilicon!

https://twitter.com/VMwareFusion/status/1326229094648832000

dewme said:

I really hope VMWare jumps into the M1 camp with Fusion. It's been a solid product and a great value for Mac users who want to run Windows, Linux, and macOS virtual machines on their Mac. I keep a VM with macOS Mojave around just to support 32-bit apps that no longer run on Catalina. Works great.

I don't think a lot of Mac owners fully realize the great deal that the VMWare Fusion Player 12 (for non commercial use) represents for Mac users. The feature set of the free VMWare Fusion Player has one important feature, Snapshots, in the free version that Windows users do not get with the equivalent free version for Windows. To get Snapshots on Windows you'll have to pay for the VMWare Workstation 16 Pro version, which is $199.00 USD. 

This would be nice but again, I think most Fusion users want virtualization for Windows not for unix/linux and Apple has said they won't include or allow any x86 emulation.

Checked out RedHat enterprise and found this:

--ARM architectures
While IBM Power and z Systems are not "new," ARM, specifically the 64-bit ARMv8-A architecture, is new. As an example of our multi-architecture enablement efforts, over the past two years Red Hat has delivered Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server for ARM as a Development Preview to partners designing and building systems based on 64-bit ARMv8-A architecture. This has helped to consolidate, stabilize and standardize ARM hardware support in the base operating system and move it forward to a more mature level.
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https://www.linux.com/training-tutorials/4-fine-linux-arm-distros/ Lists four free linux distributions that run on ARM. It would be interesting if Apple tries to recompile Bootcamp for ARM linux distributions or if they simply want users to use virtualization software. It would be nice to see linux running native under Bootcamp making use of the M1's advanced security architecture.