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wood1208 said:

Apple,you are business and while holding privacy Ethics torch, at the end of day you are a business to make money for shareholders and employees.  Stop this die-hard privacy triumph. Most people outside USA(may be some Europeans) don't even care privacy long as you sell your products and services cheap. Sorry, Money talks,walks, and everything else for most people in world...

How many people on Apple products related websites like Apple-insider,9to5Mac,MacRumers,etc come and say give me privacy at any cost ? Most say, Apple products are expensive even thought they like to own.

Apple makes (lots of) money because its goals are to make the best products it can in the best way it can thus making money for shareholders and employees. The latter is not the primary motivation for existence. You really don't know anything about how Apple works and why it's become the world's most successful company. You are not alone there either.

Have Android promoters never set foot in a store? Do they think nobody buys jeans anymore just because there isn't any apparent technical innovation occurring in pants-making? Do they imagine that nobody buys TVs anymore because everyone must already have one by now? Do they wonder why people buy shirts that cost more than the component fabric that occurs on the garment's bill of sale? What is it about Apple that turns the most mundane discussion of financials into an illogical tirade of hyperbolic derangement?

Bingo!

steinm88299 said:

I have tried using an iPad Pro for work related things. I am an information technology worker and only wanted it for email and some light stuff so I would not need a laptop in meetings. The lack of a mouse driven interface is a killer. The A series would be PERFECT for this if I was allowed to use a mouse. The DeX technology is half-baked on Samsung tablets and phones but it at least shows an effort to do something. Apple would crush Samsung's effort and truly open the iPad up as a capable work device if they tried something like this. Doesn't need to be MacOS, just something where I can use a mouse to navigate and minimize apps. Another sign of playing it slow and steady for no real reason.

As you’re an information technology worker I would have thought that you would know that the iPad, since it’s release 9 years ago, has never had support for a mouse. It’s lack is clearly then not “a killer”.

Apple has never been into releasing something “half-baked” just to show that they are “doing something”.

Also, if you “only wanted it for email and some light stuff”, what on Earth are you trying to do that the iPad does not support?

As for Apple getting expensive ...

I bought the original Macintosh in 1984 (9” B&W low res monitor, 128K RAM, 400K floppy disk, no hard disk) with an ImageWriter dot matrix printer.

Cost?

£2,500

GeorgeBMac said:

AI seems to forget that Microsoft is not a hardware company.   When they sell hardware it's mostly to exploit and demonstrate their software.

And, with that, Microsoft left Apple in the dust.

Nearly a decade ago they developed an OS that works either in touch-screen mode or touchpad mode.   And, since then they have proceeded to refine and perfect it. 

Meanwhile, Apple is stuck back a decade or two ago where you still need to buy and carry two devices:  One for touch-screen and one for touchpad mode.

The Windows OS provides freedom to the user:  he can use touch-screen when that works best then switch to touchpad when that works best.

Apple is lagging behind.

I can hear Steve now:   "This is crap!   Fix it!"

...  And, I am sure that they will.  Apple has always hated it when Microsoft made them look bad.

At work people have been given HP 2 in 1 laptops where the screen can be used with touch and all are running Windows 10. In the whole time I’ve been in the company, nobody has removed the screen to use it as a tablet, the only time I ever see people use its touch capability at all is when they want to swipe up or down the screen or to tap a large button. Nobody ever chooses from menus, uses tools or anything remotely similar in touch mode. I was training four people yesterday and two said “I never use the touch screen as it’s so small and you can’t see what you’re doing”. These devices have screens about the size of my iPad’s but I would never use them to work on (We plug them into large monitors at work ) whereas I can easily work on my iPad for hours with no problem.

Because Apple made the correct decision to make an iPad with touch screen and laptops without, Microsoft felt they had to differentiate themselves from Apple by combining the two. You say that the Windows user can use touch-screen when that works best. The thing is, its best is never as good as an iPad because it’s a kludge designed for force a desktop OS into a tablet and both are compromised for the worse.

also, in breaking news: Steve Jobs is dead and cannot talk to you and you can’t hear him. And a final comment from SJ:

“We’ve done tons of user testing on this,” says Jobs. “and it turns out it doesn’t work. Touch surfaces don’t want to be vertical. It gives great demo. But after a short period of time, you start to fatigue. After an extended period of time, your arm wants to fall off. It doesn’t work. It’s ergonomically terrible. Touch surface want to be horizontal.”

Appleout is lagging behind? Hmmm.