kiltedgreen

It’s seems that a most posters on here have never looked at the pricing of HiFi equipment.

£5,000 for a turntable - no problem. £1,500 for a pickup cartridge - it’s over here sir. £150 for some speaker stand spikes - how many boxes would you like?

Prices in HiFi start somewhere near reasonable and go into the stratosphere - just have a look through some magazines if you want to have you eyes (and mouth) opened wide. In 1987 I bought a pair of QUAD ESL63s (loudspeakers) which cost me about £1,4000. Most people would not have paid that much for their speakers, amps and turntable combined. I still have them, they still sound incredible, I have never regretted buying them but they are at a friend’s house because I no longer have room for them and replaced with with some much smaller speakers. However, these speakers now are a limited in this lounge I now have so 4 months ago I bought a pair of QUAD headphone for £600. They are absolutely superb - but they are ‘just’ headphones with none of Apple’s high tech flash.

So, depending on the quality, these AirPods could be priced just right if you want something with all that Apple are including. Most people would never buy a pair of headphones that cost more than £100, but there enough people that definitely would to make Apple’s pricing perfectly sensible to me.

I think Apple’s look gorgeous, but I’ll stick with the QUADs ...

Is he factoring R&D for the M1 into that figure?

Peza said:

kiltedgreen said:

Peza said:

If the road this ends up going down means the same apps on a Mac are the same apps on an iPad, then surely Apples PC market share is going to shrink even further, everyone will just buy a much cheaper iPad. 

I’m not questioning Apples silicone prowess here, I’m questioning if developers will follow them down the path. 

That isn’t how apps are developed. Apple are not changing the silicon so they can write the same apps for both, as was explained in the Keynote. They are doing it for a lot of other reasons. Thinner laptops being one I’d imagine!

Apple already have Safari, Keynote, Photos, Mail, Maps, etc, etc, etc running on both platforms. They are not the same apps and putting the same processors in each won’t change that at all.

It will take effort, money and resources for a developer to make their programme that runs on X86 PCs also run on Mac OS Apple Silicone machines, and when Apple has a single digit market share, how many are going to do that? Even more so if they have an iOS app I think most will just let that be the programme for the new Macs instead, better value for the company and those share holders, Mac users get a lesser experience though. 

A lot of apps will simply need to be recompiled. Some will need more. Almost all apps are written for an OS, not a chip. That’s why we have compilers - they take the C, C++, Swift code or whatever and turn it into code that targets a particular processor. Unless you do bit manipulation and some other clever stuff I’ve had no experience off, the processor in the computer is irrelevant when writing an app.

the Swift code I write is the same right now whether it’s designed to run on a Mac or iPadOS- the Swift language that is, not the libraries which ARE different.

for example. Download Xcode for your Mac and if you have an iPad, Swift playgrounds for iPadOS. Write swift code to create variables, functions, structs and more in a Swift playground on the Mac. Run it and see the result. Select your Swift code’s text and copy it into the playground on your iPad. Run it. It will do exactly the same thing. Two different OSs, one Intel, one A series. You didn’t write for a processor, you wrote Swift. That’s how it goes.

i have a Mac App on the Mac App Store. When Big Sur is released I will just launch it in Xcode, Build, archive, upload to the App Store and bingo, I will have an app that runs on an A series chip. That, for many developers, is all that is needed.

I bought the first iPad on release day, followed by the original Air and last year bought the 11” Pro. Over the years everything I loved about the original is still there but it now does so much more, yet, unless you want to know about it, is just about as simple to use as that 2010 incarnation.

At the moment, I’m transferring almost all data from my MacBook Pro to my iPad since iPadOS came out, to leave my Mac to run Xcode and a few other apps only available on my Mac or that work better. Other than those, the benefits of having such a blazingly quick, beautifully small computer with 4G, GPS and a camera that I can slip in a small shoulder bag beats my Mac (for me) in almost every way possible.

I still need my truck. For now.

steinm88299 said:

I have tried using an iPad Pro for work related things. I am an information technology worker and only wanted it for email and some light stuff so I would not need a laptop in meetings. The lack of a mouse driven interface is a killer. The A series would be PERFECT for this if I was allowed to use a mouse. The DeX technology is half-baked on Samsung tablets and phones but it at least shows an effort to do something. Apple would crush Samsung's effort and truly open the iPad up as a capable work device if they tried something like this. Doesn't need to be MacOS, just something where I can use a mouse to navigate and minimize apps. Another sign of playing it slow and steady for no real reason.

As you’re an information technology worker I would have thought that you would know that the iPad, since it’s release 9 years ago, has never had support for a mouse. It’s lack is clearly then not “a killer”.

Apple has never been into releasing something “half-baked” just to show that they are “doing something”.

Also, if you “only wanted it for email and some light stuff”, what on Earth are you trying to do that the iPad does not support?