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9secondkox2 said:

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9secondkox2 said:

The big iMac cant come soon enough. 

The Mac mini and Mac Studio with external display added just isn’t for me. After enjoying the iMac 5k for 7 years, it’s too lame to go back to a traditional PC setup. The iMac was a beast too. 

Going 3nm, I’m betting they can use the Ultra in the 32” chassis and a 6k screen. 

The only real drawback is going to be price gouging from Apple. After pushing the Studio as a wannabe iMac replacement, apple found a way to seriously overcharge. In 2030, you could load up the iMac 27” with significantly impressive power and it was a good deal. The Mac Studio, while a nice and capable machine is a horrible deal in comparison. 

That makes me think the big iMac will be labeled “Pro” and carry the Max and Ultra chips. This will allow Apple to charge about what the Stidio plus display costs and that would really suck. 

The other option would be to limit it to pro and max and sell it for a good amount cheaper, but that would be artificially limiting the performance. No thanks. 

Hopefully it’s not too far out. By this time next year is as long as it should be. Plenty of people are losing enthusiasm as it is. No one asked for the big iMac to go away - literally the worst thing about the Apple Silicon transition. And the Mac Studio is not at all a suitable replacement. Let’s get that big iMac 6k rolling. And with m3 Ultra please. If the old iMac could accommodate the hot Intel chip and separate GPU without issue, the new one can accommodate a single 3nm SOC that runs FAR cooler and barely ever needs to use its fans as is. 

No, it's not gonna be a Pro iMac. There's no room in Apple's lineup for yet another Pro Desktop when they already have Mac Studio and Mac Pro. It simply doesn't make any sense, especially since the Mac Studio is selling so well. Why anyone would want an iMac Pro over a Mac Studio is beyond me unless you just care about how it looks. The average consumer buying a Mac Studio doesn't give a rats ass about how it looks on their desk compared to what could have been with an iMac Pro. 

You seriously need to get over this iMac Pro thing that you seem to keep pushing over and over again...I'd be extremely surprised to see it happen. It's like Apple releasing a 15" MacBook Air Pro. 

You seem to be more than a little misinformed and history-deficient. Yes, Apple already has a Mac mini. Yes they have a Studio. And yes, even a Mac Pro. They even have *gasp!* a small version of the iMac. Being that the small iMac exists, there is obviously still a major market for such sleekness. Historically, apple has had small and large iMacs - and even an iMac Pro. I know. Must be shocking news. 

A few reasons why a big iMac with major horsepower is plausible: 

1. Precedent. They e already been doing this since 2015. Then, they really upped the ante with iMac Pro, which was at the time a stopgap as we waited for max pro. In 2020, Apple updated the iMac 5k with specs thst spanked the iMac Pro. 

1a. ALL Apple customers care about how their computer looks sitting at their desk. You’re kidding yourself if you think otherwise. And if your the exception, hey, have at it. 

2. The advent of Apple silicon actually creates more of a case for all-in-one computers/embedded systems since their is no need to crack open the case for upgrades and apples SOCs run cooler than the competition. 

3. Your argument that a Mac studio exists so the iMac shouldn’t is negligible. That’s like saying max mini exists so max studio shouldn’t. Or max pro exist so max studio shouldn’t. When the new iMac comes out, it may be the Mac studio that disappears if any so. 

4. A generic pc tower plus monitor setup is never going to replace a sleek all in one. A single piece of hardware doing everything is where it’s at. Imagine a Pro Display XDR with the computer inside. An iMac is more beneficial than the old pc setup the Studio beings. It looks better/sleeker, has a smaller footprint, more efficient cable management, and does everything a Mac Stidio does without the mess. It’s win-win all over the place. Literally the only thing max studio does better is open the door for apple to price-gouge. The iMac is better for the environment as well with less materials needed to form the enclosure and cable plastic. 

5. It doesn’t have to be called “Pro” and I personally hop it isn’t. It should be normative that a big iMac has major horsepower. M3 with its more efficient setup makes it a no-brainer to have Max and Ultra chips available. 

In the end, Apple silicon seems destinies to be coupled with a top tier iMac. Apple silicon is itself a non-upgradeable all in one piece of tech. An iMac is a non-upgradeable all in one computer. Actually, when you think about it, the Mac studio is not upgradeable snd the studio display is not upgradeable, so it seems like a waste. A 32” iMac with m3 ultra is the perfect fit. 

I understand you bought the Mac studio and the 27” display equivalent to the old iMac. but tech marches on. Be happy with and enjoy your purchase. Don’t get made at those of us who waited and were rewarded with the return of an icon. When that time comes, you can always have had the benefit of the very capable Mac studio and then sell it and get the iMac you really want. And if you don’t want that glorious 32” sleek, performant iMac, cool. Enjoy your Stidio and 27” display. 

I never said the iMac doesn't need to exist. I said the iMac Pro doesn't need to exist. These are 2 different products. Learn to read and comprehend. There is no room for another Pro product in Apple's lineup and an iMac Pro (PRO not regular iMac) doesn't need to exist now that Mac Studio exists and sells very very well. The market has already shifted away from a Pro version of the iMac yet you seem to keep harping that Apple needs to release a new iMac Pro. iMac Pro is a bad deal in the end. You have to repurchase a display every time you want to upgrade and you're not getting an updated display like you've suggested in the past. Apple just uses the same displays over and over again in the iMac and it did the same for the iMac Pro. iMac Pro would also have thermal limitations unlike Mac Studio which can basically run at 100% CPU/GPU indefinitely without even kicking the fans up. You can check many the reviews of the Mac Studio on the YouTubes to see this if you don't believe it. This wouldn't be possible in an iMac Pro enclosure. 

Will there be a larger iMac? Maybe, but it doesn't seem to be a priority at all for Apple or else they would have released it with the current new 24" iMac design. There shouldn't have been anything holding Apple back from doing it back then. 

As a whole the market has shifted away from desktops on the consumer end and more towards laptops so my guess is Apple doesn't really see the need for a larger iMac. I do wonder how well the iMac sells anyways. 

9secondkox2 said:

The big iMac cant come soon enough. 

The Mac mini and Mac Studio with external display added just isn’t for me. After enjoying the iMac 5k for 7 years, it’s too lame to go back to a traditional PC setup. The iMac was a beast too. 

Going 3nm, I’m betting they can use the Ultra in the 32” chassis and a 6k screen. 

The only real drawback is going to be price gouging from Apple. After pushing the Studio as a wannabe iMac replacement, apple found a way to seriously overcharge. In 2030, you could load up the iMac 27” with significantly impressive power and it was a good deal. The Mac Studio, while a nice and capable machine is a horrible deal in comparison. 

That makes me think the big iMac will be labeled “Pro” and carry the Max and Ultra chips. This will allow Apple to charge about what the Stidio plus display costs and that would really suck. 

The other option would be to limit it to pro and max and sell it for a good amount cheaper, but that would be artificially limiting the performance. No thanks. 

Hopefully it’s not too far out. By this time next year is as long as it should be. Plenty of people are losing enthusiasm as it is. No one asked for the big iMac to go away - literally the worst thing about the Apple Silicon transition. And the Mac Studio is not at all a suitable replacement. Let’s get that big iMac 6k rolling. And with m3 Ultra please. If the old iMac could accommodate the hot Intel chip and separate GPU without issue, the new one can accommodate a single 3nm SOC that runs FAR cooler and barely ever needs to use its fans as is. 

No, it's not gonna be a Pro iMac. There's no room in Apple's lineup for yet another Pro Desktop when they already have Mac Studio and Mac Pro. It simply doesn't make any sense, especially since the Mac Studio is selling so well. Why anyone would want an iMac Pro over a Mac Studio is beyond me unless you just care about how it looks. The average consumer buying a Mac Studio doesn't give a rats ass about how it looks on their desk compared to what could have been with an iMac Pro. 

You seriously need to get over this iMac Pro thing that you seem to keep pushing over and over again...I'd be extremely surprised to see it happen. It's like Apple releasing a 15" MacBook Air Pro. 

timmillea said:

Three awful mistakes in a row - the wedge-less MBA, the monstrosity Studio and now the Mac Pro which alienates all its key markets. I was present for the second coming of Apple but I feel that golden era has sadly passed. I doubt the 'Vision Pro', with such limited use cases and such a high entry price will alter Apple's destiny. 

As an investor, I would start buying up unopened Macs from a few years ago and putting them into storage. They will never be as good again. 

The wedgeless MacBook Air is Apple's best selling laptop so that statement about it being a mistake is BS. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean the rest of the market doesn't. What is the monstrosity about the Mac Studio? How is it any different than the iMac Pro it replaces other than you don't get the 27" display attached to it which IMO is better anyways?

And nobody gives a rats ass about you being an investor. I cannot stand when people say this, or the fact that they've been an Apple fan for over 20-30yrs. It doesn't make your statement anymore true by saying shit like that. 

waveparticle said:

Performance of Mac Studio is at comparable level as MacBook Pro. Apple need to create a new category of desktop computer much more powerful than MacBook Pro. Power is not a problem for desktop computer. In the meantime MacOS should get a big upgrade to accommodate. 

That may be true, however the Mac Studio can sustain that performance pretty much indefinitely unlike the MacBook Pro which would start to overheat and throttle after a few minutes. The Mac Studio was also held back by the issues with the M1 scaling issues (I believe it has buffering issues so it processes faster than data can be pushed to it). There's no reason why an M1 Ultra doesn't double the performance of the M1 Max.