darkpaw

seanj said:

Spot the socialist, who hates his own county.

Inward investment into the U.K. has reached record levels since the Brexit referendum. Up until the pandemic the businesses have boomed in the U.K.

"Socialist" isn't the insult you may think it is. Socialism gives us the NHS - medical treatment free at the point of use. No one is made bankrupt in the UK because they can't afford their medical bills (because there are no medical bills).

I don't hate the UK; I just feel that the last ten years of Tory rule have absolutely diminished us, financially and morally. A footballer had to embarrass the government into giving starving kids free meals during term breaks. This government has spent £22bn on a Test & Trace system that doesn't work. The current Chancellor has excluded 2.93 million people from government support following lockdowns that closed businesses, or simply because they weren't on a specific payroll before an arbitrary date. I'm fed up of the governments of this country, not this country.

Up until the pandemic AND with us being in the EU, inward investment hit record levels. What's happening now that we're out of the EU? Well, it's more expensive to manufacture things here because we can't get the parts we need because there's now red tape at the borders. Factories making cars are shutting down until parts arrive. This isn't a good look for a potential Apple Car to be manufactured here. Also, any car made here is now more expensive in the EU thanks to tariffs that didn't exist six weeks ago.

JWSC said:

Au contraire mon frere, Brexit certainly played its role.  Several E.U. nations such as France and Germany initiated their own negotiations with Astra Zeneca a month or so after the U.K. finalized their deal with the company.  But before they could finalize their deals the European Commission stepped in and said, “Hold up.  We need to be in charge of this at an E.U. level.”  That delayed negotiations by an additional two months.  The U.K. was not constrained in any way.

And now the E.U. is upset with Astra Zeneca because they are honoring contracts in the order in which they were negotiated and received.  Comical.

I was talking about the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, because it was the first one we authorised (on 2nd December 2020) before we'd left the EU.

The Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine was approved by the UK on 30th December, two days before we left the EU. Again, nothing to do with Brexit.

Other countries could've authorised the vaccines themselves, just as the UK did, using the same legal course as the UK did.

In July 2020, the UK purchased 40m doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

In September 2020, Germany privately ordered 30 million doses, outside the collective EU purchasing scheme.

Basically, both the UK and Germany placed orders before those countries had authorised their use. There was NOTHING stopping Germany from following the same path as the UK, but they CHOSE to join the EU's collective purchasing scheme. They were not forced into it, as evidenced by the fact that the UK - whilst still a member of the EU - was not forced into it.

ionicle said:

Talking of deluded....

The UK is a fantastic place to do business, freed from the shakles and opression of the EU

Do you have an example of these "shakles" (shackles)? You realise that we were in the same committees as other member states, right? We all had a say in the laws and directives that all member states followed. That's why we were able to buy and sell to every EU country without unnecessary paperwork. Brexit has added paperwork. It is the only trade deal in history that has erected trade barriers. I believe we were the ones who proposed and designed the Single Market, which is flourishing in the EU member states, but we're no longer a part of it.

we are free to do as we please, and with a trade deal with the EU the apple car could be built here and sold allover Europe.

Yes, like all that seafood we now cannot sell to the EU. Wasn't Brexit all about "the fish"?

For the record im a 26 year old uni masters degree holder who voted leave, its not just ‘deluded’ or older people.

Brexit isn't about people being dumb or intelligent, so having a degree doesn't make your decision any more right or wrong than anyone else's. Unless your degree is in trade deals, politics and tax avoidance, it doesn't really mean much.

My best friend voted to leave because he was annoyed that he had to buy a car part a second time because a new EU Directive meant the original part he'd bought didn't have a certain EU standards mark on it. In reality, the mark on his was merely superseded by a new, updated mark. Too late. He simply didn't check his info first, and had a knee-jerk anger reaction, and voted out. He's a visual effects artist; he's not stupid.

im so glad we regained our freedom from the EU.

Yes, no more freedom to go to EU countries with just our passports; now, we need a visa and more and more paperwork. Thank you, Brexit! /s

We are now free from restrictions

Name them.

free from opression

How was the EU oppressing us? Do you have any specific examples?

free from daft regulations

Name them. Do you mean we're now free to start using those neonicotinoids that kill bees? Yay! /s

free to do as we please without asking our ‘masters’ in Brussels to permit it.

Again, they were never our masters - we were directly involved.

but back to the point, built here would make it one of the best manufacturered cars in the world.

How so?

Literally, don't do it. Do not do it. The UK is a terrible place to do business. Brexit has destroyed the many to enrich the minuscule few. The Tory governments of the last ten years have ruined us. Build the Apple Car somewhere else. Please.

tommikele said:

let me assure you, they are both is a lot smarter than you are.

And you, apparently.