maximara

elijahg said:

davidw said:

elijahg said:

dewme said:

One point that a lot of power seekers and control freaks are missing is that Apple’s App Store is a private entity. Maybe this would have been more apparent had Apple named it the “iPhone App Store” from the get go. You can get all the apps you’ll ever need for your iPhone in the iPhone App Store. If you have a Nokia, Motorola, or Samsung phone - go fishing in their app store for apps for those phones.

You could say that about anything. My house is a "private entity" but it doesn't mean within it contracts are nulled, it doesn't mean laws don't apply there. Facebook is a "private entity" but that is facing plenty of scrutiny and regulation. People have been jailed through things they've posted on Facebook. Many people seem to have this weird concept that because someone created something laws should not apply to it. It's bizarre, as well as entirely wrong. The "power seekers" and "control freaks" you speak of are Apple themselves. 

But there are also laws that protect the private property owner rights, that are included in the US Constitution and Copyright Laws. The right to monetize ones own property is one of the fundamental basis of Copyright Laws.  These laws should also not be ignored because of greedy developers that thinks they should be allowed to use others property to profit from, without any compensation to the property owner. Or clueless government politicians paid to act on their behalf. Many people seem to have this weird concept that because Apple, Google, Amazon, etc. created something, Copyright Laws should not apply to it. The Coalition of App Fairness is full of such people.  They think anything created by the big techs, that they can profit from, should be in public domain.  

You seem to be mistaken. What aspect of IAPs fall under Apple's copyright? The copyright is the developer's, they wrote the app. Yes Apple provided the tools, that doesn't mean they own the copyright. If they did, everything written on your Mac would be Apple's copyright.

I think davidw is talking about the code need to tie into the MacOS rather than APIs or IAPs.  "Portions of the Apple Software and Apple Services utilize or include third party software and other copyrighted material. Acknowledgements, licensing terms and disclaimers for such material are contained in the electronic documentation for the Apple Software and Apple Services, and Your use of such material is governed by their respective terms."

Before anyone brings up Google LLC v. Oracle America, Inc. that was limited' "the Supreme Court didn't provide any guidance on whether an API can be copyrighted—the main question everyone expected the court to answer. Instead, the court ruled that even if APIs can be copyrighted, Google's copying was protected by fair use" (How the Supreme Court saved the software industry from API copyrights)

Another wrinkle is the whole Psystar Corporation mess as it is unclear what code in Xcode would fall under the DMCA (I don't think anyone sane wants to program for the iPhone/iPad not using Xcode)

KTR said:

entropys said:

Walmart can't tell Target "You can't build your store here because we have one of ours in the city already.", but Apple is doing exactly that with the App Store.

You might be surprised at the myriad local laws that prevent exactly that. In my country thee are all sorts of regulations about how close newsagents and pharmacies can be etc. and the list is very long.

IMO, that is the governments controlling our lives 

Actually some of those local laws were written with good intentions but haven't updated to keep up with changes in the marketplace.  Las Cruces, NM had a section where the zoning had been effectively nil and it, to put it mildly, looked like a disaster area.  You would have nice home next to a business run out of a trailer which was next to an abandoned lot.

foregoneconclusion said:

dantheman827 said: Are you, and were you prior to being asked this question aware that YouTube charges $15.99 in-app but $11.99 on their website?

Do you think it's fair that they can't tell you there is a discount available outside of the app?

Yes, I think it's fair that they can't tell you there is a discount available outside the app because my iPhone has access to the internet and web sites. I'm old enough to remember the days when software could only be purchased at brick/mortar stores or through the mail. The price through the mail might not be the same as the brick/mortar stores, and the brick/mortar stores might have different prices too. Nobody at the time considered that to be an unfair situation as a consumer. It was up to you to educate yourself on the WHERE and HOW MUCH part of the shopping experience. 

Right.  Heck, even in businesses that had/have 'will match competitor's price' you had to have evidence (ie had to go out and find an ad) showing the lower price.  This we need to be spoon feed stuff because we are lazy nonsense needs to stop.

Xed said:

maximara said:

Xed said:

avon b7 said:

Sometimes it is better for him not to say anything. This is one of those moments. When spin smells to much like spin it loses value fast. 

The move itself is a good move. Now the best move would be to design for repair and make them easier to carry out.

How is it spin? You are an Android shill but you are still smart enough to understand that Cook makes moves that he believes will benefit Apple, specifically Apple’s share price. If you think Cook was not part of this decision or that he failed understand the forces at play determine what was the best course of action for Apple then you really don’t understand why Apple is worth $2.5 trillion nor why it took in nearly $400 billion in revenue for 2021.

Given designs are generally done two to three years in advance the shift in the iPhones had to have been made a while ago.  I think Apple itself was likely having issues repairing the ultra thin designs that the Steve Jobs-Jony Ive era produced.  The MacBooks appear to be getting thicker as will the iPhones.

And? Are you not familiar with Apple not announcing changes until they're nearly ready to go?

Apple isn't the only one designing insanely hard to repair things.  Stop pretending Apple are the only ones who do this.  Can you repair your own Xbox, your Sony playstation, your Samsung TV, or any thing else you own that has electronics?  Those don't have manual on how to repair them and some parts are like hen's teeth.  

One of the most idiotic things I have seen the clueless right to repair group to want in people be able to repair medical equipment...with no mechanism in place to ensure the people doing the work were properly trained.  Thankfully that and other brain dead right to repair bills have died.

"For years, ISOs have fought tooth and nail to avoid any accountability, even refusing to fill out registration paperwork with the FDA."  The last thing the US need is something akin to the 1987 disaster in Brazil happening because some ISO didn't train its people correctly.

Xed said:

avon b7 said:

Sometimes it is better for him not to say anything. This is one of those moments. When spin smells to much like spin it loses value fast. 

The move itself is a good move. Now the best move would be to design for repair and make them easier to carry out.

How is it spin? You are an Android shill but you are still smart enough to understand that Cook makes moves that he believes will benefit Apple, specifically Apple’s share price. If you think Cook was not part of this decision or that he failed understand the forces at play determine what was the best course of action for Apple then you really don’t understand why Apple is worth $2.5 trillion nor why it took in nearly $400 billion in revenue for 2021.

Given designs are generally done two to three years in advance the shift in the iPhones had to have been made a while ago.  I think Apple itself was likely having issues repairing the ultra thin designs that the Steve Jobs-Jony Ive era produced.  The MacBooks appear to be getting thicker as will the iPhones.