djsherly

9secondkox2 said:

That’s the way they chose to live, so it is what it is. but you have to wonder what kind of relationship it was that the password wasn’t shared. 

Seems a little off. 

9secondkox2 said:

That’s the way they chose to live, so it is what it is. but you have to wonder what kind of relationship it was that the password wasn’t shared. 

Seems a little off. 

What a load of shit. My wife and me share no passwords. If I want to see something I just need to ask. The same goes the other way around. The idea that married people are joined at the hip/password is ridiculous. I suppose you expect couples to share a Facebook account too?

Mike Wuerthele said:

indiekiduk said:

"Several people have started threads on Apple's support site but had them deleted, iFixit said." if that is true then that is shocking behaviour by Apple's forum team. Is there any evidence like screenshots?

We didn’t have any problems finding forum threads about it.

Yeah, but did you find the deleted ones? One statement does not disprove the other :-)

Not so sure it’s shocking behaviour in any event, those threads might have violated other site standards, like ad hominem (which is forbidden here too but not heavily policed).

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djsherly said:

ericthehalfbee said:

Now that’s rich. You think predicting Apples future is as simple as “hiring a writer”?

The thing that was different this time, as opposed to all the other times the naysayers were crying wolf, was that Apple's behaviour itself changed.

Firstly, there were push notifications flogging new phones, then the upgraded trade in program, and the change in language on its web presence to promote actual features of the phone rather than some byline like, "All the power. All the time".

If this wasn't enough to pique interest.... but then those like DED simply dismissed this change in behaviour in favour of the rolling Apple juggernaut narrative, rather than trying to understand why this was happening. 

There is no "Apple juggernaut narrative." It's an observable fact that Apple has been making virtually all of the profits in the industries it participates in. Nobody is baselessly making up a story that isn't true about Apple's success. In suggesting that this is the case, you're simply inventing a lie. That's bad for discourse and makes the world a stupider place. So shame on you. 

There is also no mystery why Apple is working overtime to try to push upgrades: it's a commercial business engaged in a profit-making exercise in a shrinking market--smartphones have been retracting. Of course Apple is pursuing new efforts to sell phones. That's what it does. It's not a conspiracy or evidence that the company is right around the corner from doom. That's your narrative. Every story suggesting that Apple just now invented promotion, advertising and incentives because it was on the brink of going out of business is the lie you're looking for. That's the false narrative presented without supporting facts.  

Who’s getting hysterical now? That Apple commands all the profits is not something I’ve disputed. I’ve not suggested Apple is doomed. That is you just shovelling words into my mouth. That is not my narrative. So just stop. It is beneath you. 

Just making the observation that something IS different this time. Apple’s behaviour has changed. Has it not? Or is it just routine marketing efforts as you seem to put it?

Apple haven’t changed those product bylines (If they’re called that) for as long as I care to remember. They’ve not sent push notification to upgrade devices as far as I know. They haven’t provided more generous trade-in options as best I know. That they have surely should make you ask the question, why?

Was it planned, or did was it because they could see guidance would be missed? 

That last question is the one I’m interested in.

Frankly the idea of promoting an upgrade through notification I find to be crass. I already get promotional email from Apple. 

I for one am not jumping around with glee. Apple have traditionally been spot on or conservative with guidance, but to admit a miss of in the region of 7-10% is noticed and questions are bound to be asked. 

ericthehalfbee said:

k2kw said:

anantksundaram said:

In fairness, DED, we’ve seen a ~40% drop (from $232 to $142 in price per share) in the market cap of the most successful company in the world, the first one to hit a trillion dollar mark. Nearly $475B is market value has been wiped out.

Surely, some of the hyperventilation is justified?

I find this whole article hilarious because DED did not predict the collapse in revenue before it was disclosed.   I think it would be great if AppleInsider hired a writer based in HongKong to Cover China and Asia.   Might have provided clues that this was coming.   It’s called getting a scoop something that DED has never done because he’s too busy attacking other writers.   For what it’s worth I’m predicting Apple shipped 65 million phones for $52 Billion in revenue out of the 84 Billion in revenue stated by Tim Cook.  I don’t believe the entire down turn in Phones is due to China - probably two-thirds.   But if people aren’t buying phones many are buying watches, AirPods, and HomePods.

Are HomePods a success?   On one hand there were a ton of $100 off sales for the HomePod , a product still in its first year.  On the other hand most of those people picking up HP probably have Apple Music and this will turn into continuing services revenue.   I await the DED article?

Now that’s rich. You think predicting Apples future is as simple as “hiring a writer”?

The thing that was different this time, as opposed to all the other times the naysayers were crying wolf, was that Apple's behaviour itself changed.

Firstly, there were push notifications flogging new phones, then the upgraded trade in program, and the change in language on its web presence to promote actual features of the phone rather than some byline like, "All the power. All the time".

If this wasn't enough to pique interest.... but then those like DED simply dismissed this change in behaviour in favour of the rolling Apple juggernaut narrative, rather than trying to understand why this was happening. 

I wouldn’t call it surprising - the first sign there was an issue was the promotional trade in pricing and more aggressive feature promotion.

That’s a 7-10% revenue miss that Apple are expecting. Hopefully they’ve extrapolated correctly for the remainder of the quarter