ipedro

thompr said:

ipedro said:

nht said:

ipedro said:

nhughes said:

jwdawso said:

Any thoughts on the alleged longer power button? Wouldn't surprise me if it doubled as a home button. 

There was some speculation that perhaps Apple would embed Touch ID into the power/lock button, but no rumors or leaks have suggested that will be the case. Doubling as a home button would be problematic — how would you lock the device, or differentiate between locking and returning to the home screen?

A single side button can be designed to perform many different tasks, including equally important tasks like a home and lock/sleep. Think of a camera’s shutter button. 2 levels of pressure. Press to focus, press all the way to shoot. Translated to an iPhone: press to go Home (click!), press further in to sleep/awake (deeper click). 

The fact that the side button has been consistently rumoured to be more prominent, reflects the new importance of this button. This larger side button could also include Touch ID if Apple decides that its removal impacts too many people i.e. those who wear masks/helmets/face protection for work or leisure and can’t use Face ID. My bet is on Touch ID being gone entirely and replaced by Face ID despite the limitations I mentioned. Touch ID doesn’t work with gloves and people have lived with that limitation just fine. 

On a side note, it always strikes me how some people here can’t think outside of the box. I don’t mean this as an insult. It’s just mind blowing to me. Just because something can’t be done with today’s paradigm, doesn’t mean that that paradigm can’t be changed to solve a new problem. Just because a button is known to have 2 states — pressed or not pressed — it doesn’t mean that a different type of button with multiple states can’t be designed. 

Hold your phone while using the thumb for swiping.  Can you reach the power button (even if longer) where it is currently positioned?  No.

Put the single side button lower where a finger can comfortably use it as home...great right?  

Now switch hands.

Thinking outside the box is great but human hands behave a certain way which is why some things end up the way they are.

The current home button has multi-states.  Do a light double tap and you end up lowering the screen with Reachabiity.  Double click the home button and you get the app selector.  Do a long press and get Siri.  Do a short press and you go home. Single light tap is unused because of too many false positives.

The current power button also has multiple states.  Short press = screen off.  Long press = shutdown screen.

I dunno...all the so-called "pro" users in this thread seems unaware that all the single gesture options are already being used by the iOS UI as are most of the home button interactions.

In the home screen  UI: 

Down swipe gets you search.
Up swipe gets you the control buttons
Left swipe is navigation or the notification screen
Right swipe is navigation

Plus apps will have their own swipe behaviors...so you can't just say "Oh, we'll just use double up swipe to go home" because any game that uses swipe for game play control will constantly have that swipe behavior.

Oh, I use face ID to unlock my Surface Book.  I MUCH prefer the Touch ID on my MBP.

Correction: you have never used Face ID (Apple’s version). None of us has. 

There were other applications of finger print unlocking before Touch ID. They were unreliable, slow and required swiping your finger slowly over the sensor. Totally unusable. Along came Touch ID and made it fast, accurate and intuitive — you just put your finger on the button you were already using to wake up your iPhone. 

Apple has earned a reputation for waiting until they’ve perfected a technology so that they can release it, not first but right. Face ID will be unobtrusive, seamless and accurate and it’ll make everybody forget Touch ID. 

If FaceID constrains us to distance & angle of face relative to the sensors then that might end up being a little obtrusive for some use cases.

You’re describing the existing face scanning unlocking systems. Apple wouldn’t ship that. That’s the point. Apple waits until a technology is usable before putting it in their products. 

If you want a hint at what tech Apple has been developing and perfecting before suddenly showing off something that is clearly in an advanced stage, look at ARkit. Apple caught Google and even Microsoft — who was betting big on AR — off guard. AR Kit is 2 or 3 years ahead of anything anybody is shipping today. 

I mention AR kit because it’s able to recognize objects at angles. If you have iOS 11 beta, check out document scanning in Notes. You can precisely and accurately scan a document on close to a flat plain. Somewhere close to 180 degrees. It really is mind blowing. And I’m doing this on an iPhone 6 Plus, a 3 year old phone. Imagine what can be done with cutting edge 3D sensors and lasers, built specifically to detect and scan faces. And you don’t need anywhere close to 180 degrees to scan a face while an iPhone is sitting on the desk nearby. 

With Face ID, if you can see your phone, your phone can see you. There won’t be any raising your phone to your face to unlock it. If you’re near your phone, it’s unlocked. That simple. 

Now, imagine how something like that can be far superior to Touch ID. Scanning your fingerprint works by request or by deliberate action. Face ID can check on you whenever is necessary to secure your phone to make sure you’re the one using it, not someone who walked off with it after you unlocked it with Touch ID. Whenever you’re using your phone, it’s unlocked. Whenever someone else is using it, it’s locked. 

nht said:

ipedro said:

nhughes said:

jwdawso said:

Any thoughts on the alleged longer power button? Wouldn't surprise me if it doubled as a home button. 

There was some speculation that perhaps Apple would embed Touch ID into the power/lock button, but no rumors or leaks have suggested that will be the case. Doubling as a home button would be problematic — how would you lock the device, or differentiate between locking and returning to the home screen?

A single side button can be designed to perform many different tasks, including equally important tasks like a home and lock/sleep. Think of a camera’s shutter button. 2 levels of pressure. Press to focus, press all the way to shoot. Translated to an iPhone: press to go Home (click!), press further in to sleep/awake (deeper click). 

The fact that the side button has been consistently rumoured to be more prominent, reflects the new importance of this button. This larger side button could also include Touch ID if Apple decides that its removal impacts too many people i.e. those who wear masks/helmets/face protection for work or leisure and can’t use Face ID. My bet is on Touch ID being gone entirely and replaced by Face ID despite the limitations I mentioned. Touch ID doesn’t work with gloves and people have lived with that limitation just fine. 

On a side note, it always strikes me how some people here can’t think outside of the box. I don’t mean this as an insult. It’s just mind blowing to me. Just because something can’t be done with today’s paradigm, doesn’t mean that that paradigm can’t be changed to solve a new problem. Just because a button is known to have 2 states — pressed or not pressed — it doesn’t mean that a different type of button with multiple states can’t be designed. 

Hold your phone while using the thumb for swiping.  Can you reach the power button (even if longer) where it is currently positioned?  No.

Put the single side button lower where a finger can comfortably use it as home...great right?  

Now switch hands.

Thinking outside the box is great but human hands behave a certain way which is why some things end up the way they are.

The current home button has multi-states.  Do a light double tap and you end up lowering the screen with Reachabiity.  Double click the home button and you get the app selector.  Do a long press and get Siri.  Do a short press and you go home. Single light tap is unused because of too many false positives.

The current power button also has multiple states.  Short press = screen off.  Long press = shutdown screen.

I dunno...all the so-called "pro" users in this thread seems unaware that all the single gesture options are already being used by the iOS UI as are most of the home button interactions.

In the home screen  UI: 

Down swipe gets you search.
Up swipe gets you the control buttons
Left swipe is navigation or the notification screen
Right swipe is navigation

Plus apps will have their own swipe behaviors...so you can't just say "Oh, we'll just use double up swipe to go home" because any game that uses swipe for game play control will constantly have that swipe behavior.

Oh, I use face ID to unlock my Surface Book.  I MUCH prefer the Touch ID on my MBP.

Correction: you have never used Face ID (Apple’s version). None of us has. 

There were other applications of finger print unlocking before Touch ID. They were unreliable, slow and required swiping your finger slowly over the sensor. Totally unusable. Along came Touch ID and made it fast, accurate and intuitive — you just put your finger on the button you were already using to wake up your iPhone. 

Apple has earned a reputation for waiting until they’ve perfected a technology so that they can release it, not first but right. Face ID will be unobtrusive, seamless and accurate and it’ll make everybody forget Touch ID. 

nhughes said:

jwdawso said:

Any thoughts on the alleged longer power button? Wouldn't surprise me if it doubled as a home button. 

There was some speculation that perhaps Apple would embed Touch ID into the power/lock button, but no rumors or leaks have suggested that will be the case. Doubling as a home button would be problematic — how would you lock the device, or differentiate between locking and returning to the home screen?

A single side button can be designed to perform many different tasks, including equally important tasks like a home and lock/sleep. Think of a camera’s shutter button. 2 levels of pressure. Press to focus, press all the way to shoot. Translated to an iPhone: press to go Home (click!), press further in to sleep/awake (deeper click). 

The fact that the side button has been consistently rumoured to be more prominent, reflects the new importance of this button. This larger side button could also include Touch ID if Apple decides that its removal impacts too many people i.e. those who wear masks/helmets/face protection for work or leisure and can’t use Face ID. My bet is on Touch ID being gone entirely and replaced by Face ID despite the limitations I mentioned. Touch ID doesn’t work with gloves and people have lived with that limitation just fine. 

On a side note, it always strikes me how some people here can’t think outside of the box. I don’t mean this as an insult. It’s just mind blowing to me. Just because something can’t be done with today’s paradigm, doesn’t mean that that paradigm can’t be changed to solve a new problem. Just because a button is known to have 2 states — pressed or not pressed — it doesn’t mean that a different type of button with multiple states can’t be designed.