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zoetmb said:

When I walk into an Apple store (and even though i'm an older guy who they might not be able to relate to), the employees have always been very friendly and I'm always asked if I want any help (but not in an annoying way).   Considering the pay, I'm sure there are some employees who don't know the details of the products as well as they should, but overall, I find the service to be quite good whereas in almost every other retail environment, I walk out either annoyed or aghast at how badly the employees are trained.   In a big box electronics store, I don't want any of the employees anywhere near me.   

I've worked in big box electronics stores for a decade now, on-and-off (took time off for school, came back when my parents, first mom then dad, got sick and I became a 12/7 nurse sharing time with the other parent). 

That's basically how we run things: We will try to do our best to help a customer, and we realize when it's not working, it's frustrating, but remember: We're not paid exceptionally well for the effort we gotta put in. From training, to paperwork, to customer service skills, product knowledge, operations, it's a rather demanding job for the pay. It's better than Walmart or McDonalds, but it is not a paradise. Treat us with respect, and we'll do our best. Most of the time, that will be enough. Don't try to take advantage, don't try to demand extra. We don't have the power to give you a new one: if we could, we'd do it simply because it's easier. I suspect AS folks are in the same bin as us.

9secondkox2 said:

The preservation of privacy and morals are paramount here. 

Mono woman or young girl should ever have to see a mans penis in a ladies restroom. EVER. 

and no man should have to deal with the flip side. 

Let's get real here. 

No matter what you "identify" as, male and female are as physically descriptive as can be. Heck we even have male and female connectors in engineering. 

So identify to hear hearts content. But go to the male restroom if you are male. 

Simple. 

Mono father should have to worry about some dude who thinks he's a girl taking a leak next to his daughter or wife. 

Enough is snough. And shame on Apple and others for getting involved. 

Tim wants to be with other dudes. Ok. That's his prerogative. But I bet he uses the right bathroom for crying out loud. 

Transgender and Gay are two separate things. And no, it's not as simple as "penis = man", "no penis=woman". Interesex people. People who have suffered genital damage. Transitioning people. Lots of gray area here that is not planned for in your philosophy. 

Go ahead and give me an example of a person who has gone into a restroom, tried to perv on someone in that restroom, and then claimed it was because they were transgender. It doesn't work - no one who has put in the effort and work to be labeled trans would do that because it's not easy. It includes months or years of therapy, hormone replacement, possibly surgery to fit into the desired gender. No one does that just to perv on people.

We have laws preventing harassment in restrooms and taking pictures of people without their knowledge all ready. These laws are enough. This law is written to hold back LGBT people, and to frighten base Republican voters who are not going to come out to vote for a Texas theocrat or a New York swindler. 

dipdog3 said:

Rename bathrooms to Penis & Non-Penis. Whatever you got, that's where you go. Problem solved!

There's a whole lot of gray area there, friend. If the solution sounds simple its probably wrong.

genovelle said:

ttollerton said:

I'm a biological male who doesn't want biological females in the Men's Restroom when I'm using it.  Don't my feelings count for something, too?  

Restrooms are assigned by sex, not by gender.  Gender is open to cultural interpretation, but biological sex is not.  There are serious risks to creating open bathrooms, and hurt feelings isn't one of them.  

Before the most tolerant and open minded people on these boards close their minds and start calling me hateful and bigoted, please note that I am all for equality.  But, we must find a better solution than open restrooms.  

I guess the person who disliked your post thinks it's ok for a 13 year old girl to have to use the mall restroom with a man who claims he identifies as a woman. This will come to a grinding halt when they realize this was the dumbest idea ever. 

The magic word in your very unlikely scenario is "claims". Transgender people have to go through a lot to get the label. To be considered transgender, you don't get to just say "I'm transgender, time for the ladies room!". You need to have proof - documentation. Talk with therapists, Hormone replacement therapy, things that prove you've started changing. You can't just speak a Harry Potter spell and be what you want (would that you could!). Actually, saying they can't actually stops them from being able to transition - most trans folks live as their desired gender for years before officially changing birth certificates where that can be done. I think using your appropriate restroom is part of living as a gender.

And let's remember that despite lots of states having trans protection laws there are no specific examples of such a law being abused. Sure some guy might put on a dress to try and perv some pictures or something, but never has it been used as a defense against such charges - because they can't show they're trans. So it won't stop a pervert, it hinders the ability of trans people to do something they're legally able to do, it criminalizes a formerly non-criminal activity, and for all that you get to look like knuckle dragging cavemen who cant' handle LGBT people. And they might lose lots of investment and any sort of mindshare that NC might be "New South".

This law was written to scare a base who isn't going to come out to vote for the orange goblin Trump, so they're gonna scare folks with gay people. They can't use the gay marriage thing anymore, so you get fools like genovelle here who are told to get scared of perverts who claim to be transgender, despite this not ever actually happening successfully. 

Is this before, or after, he uses his mind powers to make Mexico pay for building a wall?

What a maroon.