philboogie

fastasleep said:

philboogie said:

netrox said:

The ones that cling to old legacy ports for the sake of compatibility stay foolish.

USB-C is the future to rule all. It's a done deal. The UX of USB-C is a huge improvement. No more fiddling wit ports being oriented correctly. It can power up to 100W, it can provide lines for high bandwidth monitors. It can do ethernet. It can do card readers. It can do much EVERYTHING. That's why there are docks and hubs out there that lets you use legacy devices and the USB-C will still support them. Get a dock.  All my new devices are USB-C based and I can say it's worth it since the UX is much better. 

USB-C the future? People said that about Light Peak Thunderbolt as well (Ethernet, data, power et cetera) yet Apple removed it from the MacBook, yet had to reinstate it due to public demand in 2009. It is actually Thunderbolt tech in MacBooks, just with a USB-C connector. A connector which still needs to be orientated correctly (only round connectors don't need orientation, like an audio jack). They also replaced FW with USB on the iPod, which had a slower data transfer rate. Sometimes Apple downgrades things. Because things change. Evolve. Connectors get replaced by newer designs. USB-C will get replaced at some point in time.

Here's a 'rant' on the removal of Thunderbolt:
https://newatlas.com/no-firewire-kills-the-macbook/10238/

Which made Steve put the connector back in. This site here got their longest thread ever, over 1,500 posts on the subject, back in 2009.

Apple used to pride themselves on ports:

• MagSafe power port
• Gigabit Ethernet port
• Mini-DVI port
• FireWire 400 port (up to 400 Mbps)
• Two USB 2.0 ports (up to 480 Mbps)
• Audio line in
• Audio line out
• Kensington lock slot

FireWire, not Thunderbolt. FireWire adequately served its purpose until it was lapped by both USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt 1, both of which were far superior. They dropped the FIreWire port from the lower tier MacBook and then brought it back in a later revision. Big deal.

You’re showing off dirt slow USB 2.0 and FW400 ports in the context of “pride”? That’s all we had back then. Thunderbolt 3 is 80x faster than either. 

It is actually Thunderbolt tech in MacBooks, just with a USB-C connector. A connector which still needs to be orientated correctly (only round connectors don't need orientation, like an audio jack). 

The hell are you talking about? FireWire is not Thunderbolt. USB-C can be oriented either direction. I’m not even sure you know which ports you’re even talking about here since you’re conflating FireWire and Thunderbolt already. 

CloudTalkin said:

philboogie said:

CloudTalkin said:

Apple is the first smartphone vendor to implement UWB tech in their smartphones and they only did it in 2019 with the 11 series.

Samsung implemented UWB before Apple, in 2005:
https://phys.org/news/2005-02-samsung-freescale-ultra-wideband-enabled-cell-3gsm.html

Phil, did you read that article?  I ask because you presented it as a counter argument to my assertion that Apple is the first smartphone vendor to implement UWB in a smartphone.  The article doesn't counter my argument, it actually supports it.  Respectfully, go back and read it.  You will find Samsung did not implement UWB.  Samsung allowed one of their phones to be used as a demo for Freescale's UWB prototypes.  Execs from both companies call the project a product concept, with Samsung's EVP of R&D stating, "Adding Freescale's UWB to our cell phone for this demonstration, we have created a unique product concept that showcases the possibilities for next generation mobile/cellular products."

It was a product demo.  Afaict, nothing ever came from it.  To date, again afaict, Samsung still doesn't have a phone, smart or otherwise, that utilizes UWB.  Pretty sure that's going to change though. https://www.engadget.com/2019/08/01/sony-and-samsung-resurrect-ultra-wideband-to-improve-location-tr/   Funny tidbit.  The article ends with this nugget: "The technology is still a fair way off from consumer use, but it's already being leveraged in enterprise -- and particularly by the automotive sector..."   Engadet article from Sept says fair way off from consumer use.  Little less than 2 months later, Apple releases UWB tech for consumer use.

jdw said:

slurpy said:

jdw said:

Ah, StrangeDays and Macxpress...  You both are consistent with your style of posts, I'll give you that.  But the fundamental difference between the style of you two gentlemen and myself is that I don't attack my fellow Mac lovers but instead chose to both praise and boldly criticize my beloved Macs and Apple as I see the need arise.  Apple is large enough to defend themselves without your help.

Set your eyes on something higher rather than merely defend the mundane status quo.  Technology is a moving target that can and should be made better over time.  Sometimes mistakes are made and changes take place that seem to take us back (from scissors to butterflies to scissors), yet the end result is an improvement.  The other fascinating thing in all this is, if Apple did come out with a new MBP with internal SD card slot again, people like myself would be overjoyed, and you two gentlemen would still be just as happy and satisfied as you are today.  

I therefore cannot help but remain firm in my persistent call for MBP improvements that please more of us.  And if my voice encourages others to send like-mannered feedback to Apple, all the better!  That doesn't mean fitting everything and kitchen sink in there, but it does mean bringing good things we once had back to the table of consideration again.  Doing that would not be a brick wall blocking progress but instead evidence of an open mind and heart of care for the Mac consumer.

The difference between you and them, is that you're a predictable, chronic troll. Consistently replying with trollish, off topic remarks that have nothing to do with the thread at hand. And if you think Apple is going to go back and add ancient ports, and that is the definition of "being made better over time", then you're insane. USB-C is an infinitely flexible, robust, powerful, and expandable port, and it's the future. There is zero reason to shove in space wasting, single-function ports that sacrifice internal storage, and that most users might never, ever use, just to appease a tiny minority like yourself who can't move on and are obsessed with ranting about the same damn thing over and over. 

What's wrong with spending $10 on a dock or adapter to get you any port you want? Doesn't that make more sense than shoving these ports into every SINGLE machine, regardless of whether or not most people will use them? It's you that needs an open mind. Not Apple, and not the people you're responding to. Apple's path is the obvious way forward, and it's short-sighted people like you that somehow can't accept that. 

I see you have chosen to join with the other two fellows.  Again, I have not attacked you or the other two gentlemen or any of my fellow forum members or the author of the article under which we are now commenting.  You have, however, without mercy, thrown the "troll" and "insane" and "short-sighted" stones at me simply because you are satisfied and therefore disagree with my contentions.  These days, I am no stranger to that.  I show the scars of many such attacks within this forum.  But there once was a time when numerous voices said things similar to what I'm saying now, such that I had no need to say them myself.  Many of those good folks seem to have been scared off by an increasing number of forum attacks.  I, however, have not.  I stand by what I write.

Your contention about the ports mentioned mentioned by me as being "ancient" is incorrect insofar as even the iMac Pro has USB-A and the SD Card slot.  To call them "ancient" would be a direct bash against the iMac Pro, and I doubt that was your intention.  And yes, there is room aplenty for those ports and an SD card slot on the 16" MBP.

It's rather amusing that people to this day still say "USB-C is the FUTURE" despite the fact it's been on the market several years and still USB-A remains ubiquitous.  The vast majority of thumb drives are still USB-A, and people use them all the time despite the existence of wireless means to transfer files.  You also overlook the fact that to make USB-C "any port" you need a dongle.  Ditto for SD cards.  This is not a knock against USB-C as much as it is a factual reality that cannot be denied.  To indirectly suggest that "all we need is USB-C" overlooks the fact that dongles get lost or forgotten; and in a pinch, you cannot afford to be without those things.  That's why having most of what you need built-in saves your bacon "as a PRO."  That remains true even if you are a perfect human being and have never lost a dongle in your entire life.  

You also overlook the fact that Apple has more than one notebook line.  Apple could easily gut the MacBook Air of all but USB-C for folks such as yourself, while adding ports galore in the MacBook Pro.  That once was true until Apple decided to gut important features from ALL its MacBooks.  But like I said in my earlier post.  If Apple added back the SD card slot, neither you nor the other two gentlemen who attacked me would be upset at all, and folks such as myself would be overjoyed.  It really would be a win-win situation for all.

The real definition of having an "open mind" does not include casting stones at others merely because they choose to Think Different.  Again, my beef is with a computer and the world's largest corporation, not you folks in this forum.  True, I make the deliberate choice to write some rather provocative words, but those words are not stones directed at any of you.

Currently, there's seems to be an unspoken rule among many that what Apple gives us is all we should ever need and such should never, ever be questioned.  I am sorry, but I am not fond of that unspoken rule.  I also feel no need to be perpetually satisfied with the status quo.  You can quote me, disagree with me or vilify me, but ignoring me you seem unable to do, as evidenced by your remarks on what I have written.  I seek to change things by showing others that thinking outside the status quo box is still very much alive.  We really can wish for something more and not be wrong.  Some will categorized me as one of the crazy ones, but I believe Apple is open-minded enough to see the genius in giving their valued customs more value for their dollar.  

I remember the days when I was on Guy Kawasaki's Evangelist.  I had nothing, and I mean nothing, ill to say against Apple or its products in those days.  And that was when everybody was saying Apple was going to die.  I still believed in Apple.  I loved Apple.  And that love has been ongoing since my Mac 128k in 1984.  But in recent years important things have been taken away, leaving many of us bewildered.  Some folks like yourself don't care, but why you gentlemen chose to launch attacks against those of us who are bewildered is in and of itself bewildering.  But despite the naysaying, I press forward.  I want Apple to succeed but I also want them to satisfy consumer needs.  I'm pleased that your every need is currently satisfied.  I can only hope my needs will one day be met as well.

Stay Foolish.