chia

I love how even the Apple logo stickers in the box are dark grey instead of the usual white. 

appex said:

No to soldered not upgradable parts by user and programmed obsolescence. All-in-one (AIO) computers like iMac are a huge aggression ...

Seems you have your own huge aggression against AppleInsider forums and editorial staff despite being warned.

Hasta la Vista baby whilst you’re kicked outside.

I'm amused by the spectacle of someone failing to use the process of automatic spellchecking offered by their device to catch spelling mistakes in their brief posts, chastising Apple's development process on far lengthier and complex code.

maciekskontakt said:

As long as I do not care about controlling my lights and temperatires using phone, did Apple change as fundametal bugs as Settings crashing on Night Shift attempt to enter to change schedule? This is what happens on 5S (still supported or are we waiting for stopping support?). Also when App Store will reflect proper state of applications to update without need to shut it down and restart? (the number is displayed correctly yet list inside store is empty and shows only previously updated apps available for opening. Yes. Let's focus on bulbs, refrigirator and some advanced stuff... as soon as we get basics fixed. This phone primarily - remote control is not its basic function.

maciekskontakt said:

Maybe you need to learn better software

developent process. I manage team on this and in Development Operations in finance you have far more complex systems and risky problems. Mind you that on one floor you could be working with processing apps with more code lines than entire Mac OS and iOS. Try that. It requires process.

lorin schultz said:

chia said:

[...] Your lacking comparison is tantamount to telling somebody about to buy and drive away a new car "I can get this for you cheaper", then showing them a kit car and declaring "see, this is much cheaper if you build it yourself, just choose what engine, seats, wheels and tires you want with your kit car".

True, but then I can get whichever wheels, tires, seats, etc. I want rather than just what the manufacturer decided to offer in the package deal.

You're right that DIY is not the same as buying a Mac, but it's not necessarily a net disadvantage, either. It's a trade-off. The fact that you or I may not want to take that approach (I got fed up with various manufacturers all claiming it was someone else's fault when something didn't work the way it's supposed to) doesn't mean it's not a good plan for someone else, especially those who are price sensitive.

VRing said:

I'm not trying to rebuild an iMac Pro, I'm showing that that the $5000 "home built PC" is better.

You seem to keep ignoring the original context of my post and purposely cutting parts out.

Weasel words.  For your system to be a better system it must be as capable as the system you consider inferior but somehow faster, cheaper, more efficient etc in some way, otherwise it's not better is it?  If you omit Thunderbolt 3 and a display it's simply not as capable.

I cut and paste to avoid repetition in the thread and to focus on the fundamentals.

VRing said:

Additional GPU? Put it inside. Additional storage? Put it inside. External storage? USB 3.1 gen2 is 10 Gbps, faster than SATA3. Need to hot swap storage? $100 extra gets you a front mounted multi drive cage. There's no need for Thunderbolt 3 when you have better solutions.

for the record, with Thunderbolt 3 it's possible to plug in at least two storage arrays per Thunderbolt 3 on the iMac Pro, each with 8 hot swappable drives. 16 hot swappable drives, more than can fit into any front mounted cage in a DIY PC. Oh and still have 3 Thunderbolt3 ports left over, maybe 3 4K monitors. Yes, the iMac Pro can run four 4K monitors (according to Apple) in addition to its built in display with no additional graphics cards required.