eightzero

mpantone said:

Nobody sane really thought that Apple Car was going to ship. If you looked at Apple's publicly available autonomous vehicle driving logs available on the California DMV website, they were hardly doing any testing at all. There was a long span of several months when they didn't log a single mile.

Only some of the tech media turned Apple Car into a done deal. Yeah, Apple probably learned something from it, both what to pursue and what not to. For sure some of the gained knowledge would be applicable in other parts of the company. For sure they burned through a lot of R&D dollars on Apple Car/Project Titan/whatever.

Let's remember that the way any Apple Car would be marketed and priced would exclude 99.9% of the planet. Hell, look at Apple Vision Pro at $3500.

The biggest problem with all the Apple Car discussions online was the fact that most people were looking at the project through American blinders, seeing it only from the myopic perspective of the number one car culture on the planet. We know you love walking to your garage, planting your big fat ass in your big fat SUV, attach your iPhone to its MagSafe holder, drive to your company's big fat ass parking lot, and bitch and moan when you have to park more than 50 feet from the front door of your office. We get it. 

The rest of the world does not have a car culture like the USA. Plain and simple. Sure, most people want them but for a lot of people, even in technologically advanced countries like Japan, the personal auto is more of a leisure device. Construction workers in Tokyo go to job sites on the subway, not in Ford F-150s or GMC Sierras. In Europe getting a driver's license can be very expensive. It's not like the USA. I think a California driver's license today is $40. Forty years ago it was $2, about the same as three gallons of gasoline.

In the USA, getting your driver's license is a rite of passage for teens. It is not the case anywhere else. ONLY HERE.

daven said:

I updated this spring to a 10 from my 3. Yes, I wish it included O2 censor functionality but my series 3 was running low on memory even though I took most everything off of it. Many years of exercise data I guess plus apps take up more room. I think most people upgrade when they need to versus when they want to because there isn’t a huge leap in functionality.

Xed said:

eightzero said:

arichter138 said:

eightzero said:

"However, Apple may not consider it enough of an issue to address it with time and labor costs." Really? A multi-trillion dollar company can't afford this? You know...to keep their customer base happy? Seriously, how much "time and labor costs" are we talking about?

The real issue isn't the cost of time and labor costs to fix this one particular issue, but the can of worms it opens up on every other product/sw that is beyond the last date of support that is found to have a bug/defect/vulnerability.  If Apple fixes this one, but not a different one later, how many class-action lawsuits get spun up against them using this as reference or precedent?

....although...after I think about this more and more...equally possible is someone bringing legal action against Apple for *not* maintaining these devices, as they have actual knowledge of them being defective now. Conceptually this was the basis for the "right to repair" statutes that have gained some traction, and have made some manufacturers rethink their design and maintenance strategies. 

I still sorta wonder if Apple could have it both ways by simply turning over the software to a third party for any future updating. 

Vendors are generally not legally required to update obsolete products. While there are some specific regulations and laws regarding product lifespan and repairability, I don't know of any blanket legal obligation for vendors to update every obsolete product. I think the UK requires 7 years of support. With the last 3 AirPort models being discontinued in April 2018, which is now just over 7 years ago I don't think there's a legal obligation that would hold up in court anywhere.

How far do these petitioners want Apple to take this? Would the original AirPort that came out 26 years ago need to be included?

arichter138 said:

eightzero said:

"However, Apple may not consider it enough of an issue to address it with time and labor costs." Really? A multi-trillion dollar company can't afford this? You know...to keep their customer base happy? Seriously, how much "time and labor costs" are we talking about?

The real issue isn't the cost of time and labor costs to fix this one particular issue, but the can of worms it opens up on every other product/sw that is beyond the last date of support that is found to have a bug/defect/vulnerability.  If Apple fixes this one, but not a different one later, how many class-action lawsuits get spun up against them using this as reference or precedent?

arichter138 said:

eightzero said:

"However, Apple may not consider it enough of an issue to address it with time and labor costs." Really? A multi-trillion dollar company can't afford this? You know...to keep their customer base happy? Seriously, how much "time and labor costs" are we talking about?

The real issue isn't the cost of time and labor costs to fix this one particular issue, but the can of worms it opens up on every other product/sw that is beyond the last date of support that is found to have a bug/defect/vulnerability.  If Apple fixes this one, but not a different one later, how many class-action lawsuits get spun up against them using this as reference or precedent?