theothergeoff

apple ][ said:

Haha, how pathetic and how hypocritical and how predictable.

Apple leading the effort to ban gun emojis, while at the same time funding a Dr Dre series, which reportedly has no shortage of violence and sex. So an emoji is bad, but a series with sex and violence is ok, got it.

Apple coming out strongly against bathroom laws in North Carolina, while at the same time doing business in many countries that executes gays, lol. 

Does Apple support illegal immigration and criminals? Yep, it sure looks like it.

Apple is becoming more and more anti-American, I'm sorry to say.

Apple was never this political under Steve Jobs. I'm not the first to say this, but I miss Steve Jobs being in charge of Apple.

anyone can see type an emoji.   You need a Credit Card (18, an adult) to have the freedom to access a iTunes Movie.   Isn't Freedom of Expression an American Ideal?

And you laugh at the thought of executions of innocents?  

And by your logic Apple shouldn't sell phones in the US, because we execute innocent people every year (see the Innocence Project).  Okay, where should Apple Sell phones?

I'm not trying to defend apple as a perfect company, and by your  definition of what Apple is, and how I see the US, it's about as American Company as there can be (No less American than say, GM, or Exxon/Mobil, or Goldman Sachs, or Wal Mart, or Target, or Disney).

The primary argument is that if the BoD approves apple spending or not spending money on a political convention... that's their choice. They are responsible for the repercussions of that choice, but in no way can the gov't, the public, or anyone else consider it unfair... 

sector7g said:

weathers said:

I'm not a Trump fan and I am an Apple product user, but I find it ironic that Apple (Tim Cook) doesn't seem to mind selling their products in countries who degrade women and persecute  gays and lesbians. The hypocrisy of either party is getting to ridiculous levels.

I hate this particular argument, as it basically suggests if you can't save the entire world, you shouldn't try anywhere. Apple is a US based company and if it's going to try and make a difference it will have more impact at home, than in a foreign country. 

I agree, and what about other forms of 'power corrupting' and how we should use the power of the 

Japanese fishermen kills whales - No Phones for Japan?  
The Catholic Church Degrades Women... should we have a 'Church Check' before someone sells you a phone?
The Boy Scouts discriminates against Gays... therefore no donations to them or the United Way (who donates to them)
The Baylor Football Team degrades women,  Should we not sell Mac's at the campus bookstore?   
GMC is burning a hole in our ozone layer... we should not sell Apple Watches to Chevy drivers?

It's not ironic.  It's a Red Herring.

The bottom line is Apple will sell their product to anyone.  That's the ultimate in 'equal rights'.   But how they spend their time and money in support (or lack ) of Political PARTIES, is their choice.  A choice which is in the US, is an inalienable liberty

9secondkox2 said:

allmypeople said:

Trump has MAJOR issues.

But SO does Clinton... Arguably worse in many areas. I read Clinton Cash (well reviewed in the left & right press) and it is horrifying. There's lots of smart members on this board. Read the book or google some of the articles about it.

Bottom line: I don't think it's a good idea for Apple to take sides.

GREAT post. Where are the Apple boycott on Clinton the lying, murderous war criminal. IT is a choice between the lesser of two evils. And from what I have seen, Trump is a demon, but Clinton is Satan himself. 

Seems Apple is forgetting that America is a place of freedom - speech, religion, choice, etc. 

I like Apple, but censorship is wrong. And that's all this is.

Apple isn't the gov't.   it isn't censoring.  It's making a business decision.  There is no requirement for Apple to _give_ money/skills to any group, at any time.  They can choose to do so, or not, and deal with the consequences.  Somehow, that's the most American thing about America.

dick applebaum said:

I suspect that when the new iPhone is announced later this year, iMessage will have a significant enhancement -- available to current iPhones, but best exploited by the latest iPhone ...

Waiting for the other iMessage shoe to drop!

I'm thinking the other shoe will be an Windows 10 iMessage App, to lock down the Corporate world (iPhone+iPad+Watch+Mac+Win10PC)
I don't think Corp America would stop buying Macs if iMessage was on a PC, but I do think it would lock down corporate sales and encourage productivity apps to integrate iMessage into their workflows vs the landscape of Skype/Slack/Jabber/Spark/Lync 

cali said:

This is gonna be what? Giggle's 10th failed problem in a row?

failing isn't a bad thing when you succeed big occasionally.

For apple to succeed in the MP3 player market it needed a whole bunch of companies to define the market demand.  Same with smart phones.  iPad was really a outlier, really, every tablet PC sold for the prior 15 [i was looking at them in '95 for a medical application] years wanted to be the iPad.

Face it, Apple rarely defines a market.  It refines it.  Let Tesla and Google define the space, create demand for a $50,000 car (the optics and radar at first  will be at least a $10K add-on to a base car price, if not more), drive the volumes up to a couple million a year in sales, and drive down the component prices  and Apple can come in and establish 'better,' primarily through software and user experience.

And this isn't a phone, where you can impulse buy a one with a credit card for $99...   So my guess is Apple will hit the market about 2 years after Tesla and Google sell 300K annually (2020?) .

And the comment about Apple and charging infrastructure... you'll note the iPad was nothing, without iTunes.  The iPhone nothing without AppStore. 

One big issue with electrics is charging at night, for people who don't own homes... Most apt buildings won't subsidize a couple hundred KVA a month for their renters.

Infrastructure is important.