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Japhey said:

GeorgeBMac said:

lkrupp said:

22july2013 said:

I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--

By the way, on environmental indexes, Viet Nam is near the bottom. Although India is even closer to the bottom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Performance_Index <--

Well, since those who squawk about human rights and the environment don’t seem wiling to pay higher prices for goods made in countries they approve of, I don’t think their opinions matter much. Do those people check the labels for point of manufacture when buying clothing? Do they buy USA made clothing online and pay 25% more for them? I sincerely doubt it. Oh wait, those same people also think the USA is a cesspool human rights abuses, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, bigotry, misogyny, etc so I guess it’s a wash.

You should maybe:

1)  Practice what you preach

2)  Get a better grasp of American history -- and current events for that matter.

Are you friggin’ seriously suggesting that your grasp of current events is the beacon to which we should all aspire? That your knowledge of geopolitics is not completely clouded and biased by media propaganda? You, sir, should stick to talking about wallet cases, because you quite obviously are unable, or unwilling to approach this subject with reason or logic. As the old saying goes, you can’t see the forest through the trees. 

22july2013 said:

GeorgeBMac said:

22july2013 said:

I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--

By the way, on environmental indexes, Viet Nam is near the bottom. Although India is even closer to the bottom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Performance_Index <--

I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself.  

I agree with that statement, but the problem is that people don't get to choose their own governments in dictatorships. So I infer you are against sanctions against North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba and Syria.

6502 said:

GeorgeBMac said:

22july2013 said:

GeorgeBMac said:

22july2013 said:

I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--

By the way, on environmental indexes, Viet Nam is near the bottom. Although India is even closer to the bottom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Performance_Index <--

I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself.  

I agree with that statement, but the problem is that people don't get to choose their own governments in dictatorships. So I infer you are against sanctions against North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba and Syria.

The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S.  The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.

Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.

Chinese people can't so much text a friend their slight unhappiness about the government; they'll be quickly visited by a government official, at the minimum. I work with many chinese and this is true.

You forgot about puttings lists together of members of the losing party so they can potentially be jailed, likely without trial.

maestro64 said:

What About the poor students, maybe they want to work over time to help pay for school. I know when I was in college I jump at any opportunity to work over time. Time and half is great you get 50% more pay for no additional effort on your part.

I said this before, it should not be a responsibility of any company to enforce work standards outside their own company. This is why laws exist. In the US if you found out a company was violated labor laws, you do not call the the companies who buy from them or the consumer who buy from them you call the Government and they fix it. Notice all the people who are upset with the labor practices in other countries are not jumping on plane to protest these countries, not they run to Apple and protest Apple, Ask yourself why they are not in China or Vietnam fighting for these people.