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Are you saying that thousands of arrests are all peaceful demonstrators? Any of the arrests caused deaths? Or hospitalization? Do you think using taser gun to arrest people is brutal? There are lots of questions you cannot answer. The western faking media is safely protected under the freedom of speech act without having to take any responsibility for untruths. Or have to answer questions.tmay said:
Amnesty International link;tzeshan said:
So why US Congress say the protests are peaceful?tmay said:
Everyone in the Whole Wide World had access to those video's, and by and large, it was the inept actions of the Police and Carrie Lam that was the reason that the protests continued and escalated.tzeshan said:
Many Hong Kong people protested the planned extradition law for many months. There are some people going extreme. They smashed stores. They burned people. Hong Kong police used tear gas trying to restore order. Do you see any video of these things?tmay said:
I'm sure that you have a specific complaint about the many months of coverage of the Hong Kong Protests that you could post. That certainly didn't appear like the Western Propaganda Machine in action, but I can see how you and Mainland China would be afraid of the reality of Hong Kong Citizens protesting to maintain their current freedoms.tzeshan said:
Your links are just news media echoing opinions of western propaganda machines based on distortion and imagination.tmay said:
Try reading my posts with comprehension, then post links to support your point of view that China is "benevolent".GeorgeBMac said:tmay said:
Certainly they wouldn't tolerate that, but they and their pals Russia, are more than happy to provide those attacks, especially to glean whatever dual use technology they can from the West, and rely on useful idiots as yourself to do the rest;GeorgeBMac said:tzeshan said:
Western civilization is based on two cultures, classical Greece and Christianity. Christianity displaced Greek culture after it became the Roman national religion. Christianity thinks human beings are born with sin or evil. Believing God is the only way for redemption. Chinese culture is based on Confucianism for over two thousand year. Confucianism thinks human being are born good. You became evil because of environment. Education is the way to learn to be good instead of becoming bad. And the government should be actively getting rid of bad people.GeorgeBMac said:tzeshan said:
I think Freedom of Speech will be the downfall of western civilization. Because it is implemented without any check and balance in US. As a result, exaggeration, distortion, and lies like Trump like to call, have flooded the Americans society. America is losing competitive power because of Freedom of Speech. Freedom fo Speech is the source of culture collision between US and China. US Congress hates China because China does not allow Freedom of Speech like in US. US Congress passed laws accusing China of human rights violations. India just passed laws banning Muslims of getting citizenship. US Congress is mum on India. Why? So US Congress stance on China is contradictory. And this will backfire on US.tmay said:
LOL, I love how you are so adept at sticking your head in the sand.GeorgeBMac said:
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it.tmay said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646GeorgeBMac said:tmay said:
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".tzeshan said:
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.StrangeDays said:
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.GeorgeBMac said:That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-organ-harvesting/un-urged-to-investigate-organ-harvesting-in-china-idUSKBN1W92FL ;
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-covers-up-killing-of-prisoners-to-harvest-organs-for-transplant-new-report/#1a49ac5c2ec7
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/06/china-un-criticism-human-rights-record
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/
Yes, that is so true. And ironic since it has been touted for most of my life as one of the inherent strengths of our country. But, today we have a president lacking in morals who lies more than he tells the truth and is backed by a powerful right wing propaganda machine deicated to spreading his propaganda -- and now has the world's most powerful military, intelligence and justice systems at his beck and call to lend credence and legitimacy to his false claims.
Yes, our free press has been weaponized as a political tool of a would be despot.
For one thousand years Europeans daily live is for redemption just like Muslims today. Then modern science is born. Some intellectuals have doubts on the truthfulness of the Bible. But less educated people cannot understand science. They still believe in God wholeheartedly.When USA is founded the founding fathers realized this conflict. They passed amendment to protect freedom of speech so government cannot control religion. Government has to tolerate lies as long as people pretend the lies are for goodness.
So what Chinese government did it in Xinjiang is based on the old Chinese culture not communism. The government tried to re-educate people because it thinks the terrorism activities there is people being led by bad environment.
From my personal view point, I think humans beings are born with some evil. Christianity is more right than Confucianism. Freedom of speech forbids government to teach people and control people. For the ultra right ring white supremacists that think Chinese culture is bad and western culture is nice, please explain to me why western civilization created two world wars? I have not read any western scholar dare to explain thin in terms of culture. But they are very eager to blame any bad thing in China on Chinese culture.
Freedom of speech is only good intellectuals. For low iq people, their speech is most likely flawed, illogical, and against facts. They use imagination to make up speeches.I think people are born with the capacity for both good and evil. And, it is a decision that each must make on a daily basis.As for freedom of the press: right now China's is the stronger system. We just got done having Russia and the Far Right exploit our free press to overturn a national election through a disinformation campaign that continues to this day. And, while that is going on, the far right continues to use it in order to grow home grown terrorists.
Our free press is being weaponized and used against us by those who choose evil to attack the foundations of U.S. society. China simply wouldn't tolerate that.
"In political jargon, a useful idiot is a derogatory term for a person perceived as propagandizing for a cause without fully comprehending the cause's goals, and who is cynically used by the cause's leaders.[1][2] The term was originally used during the Cold War to describe non-communists regarded as susceptible to communist propaganda and manipulation.[1] The term has often been attributed to Vladimir Lenin,[3] but this attribution is unsubstantiated.[4][5]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
and;
https://www.uscc.gov/research/chinas-overseas-united-front-work-background-and-implications-united-statesSummary:Yeah, China's fucking wonderful..."China uses “United Front” work to co-opt and neutralize sources of potential opposition to the policies and authority of its ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The CCP’s United Front Work Department (UFWD)—the agency responsible for coordinating these kinds of influence operations—mostly focuses on the management of potential opposition groups inside China, but it also has an important foreign influence mission. To carry out its influence activities abroad, the UFWD directs “overseas Chinese work,” which seeks to co-opt ethnic Chinese individuals and communities living outside China, while a number of other key affiliated organizations guided by China’s broader United Front strategy conduct influence operations targeting foreign actors and states. Some of these entities have clear connections to the CCP’s United Front strategy, while others’ linkage is less explicit. Today, United Front-related organizations are playing an increasingly important role in China’s broader foreign policy under Chinese President and General Secretary of the CCP Xi Jinping. It is precisely the nature of United Front work to seek influence through connections that are difficult to publically prove and to gain influence that is interwoven with sensitive issues such as ethnic, political, and national identity, making those who seek to identify the negative effects of such influence vulnerable to accusations of prejudice. Because of the complexities of this issue, it is crucial for the U.S. government to better understand Beijing’s United Front strategy, its goals, and the actors responsible for achieving them if it is to formulate an effective and comprehensive response."
Tzeshan is almost certainly a participant in the United Front, which has been much less effective in the U.S. than it has in smaller democracies.
Still, nations are waking up;
"Russia’s efforts to influence elections in the United States and Europe were a wake-up call about the threat of foreign influence in domestic public opinion and politics, blatantly violating norms of non-interference.
China is not guilty of Russia’s excesses, but Beijing’s information and influence campaign has affected countries from Singapore to Sweden, causing many to take countermeasures.
China’s campaigns range from overt diplomacy and public messaging disseminated through propaganda organs, to covert cyber exercises by specialised hackers and the “” on social networking sites.Its capabilities are built into the government’s vast propaganda apparatus, including the People’s Liberation Army, intelligence departments, and the foreign education and culture ministries.
"“How are you?” John asked one woman in Mandarin. She said nothing and abruptly left. But, oddly, she returned 10 minutes later wearing a different-coloured shirt. The group persisted even after John and Tara got up to leave, until Tara started to film them with her phone camera. One man was walking directly towards her until she produced the phone, at which point he immediately started walking sideways, crab-style, to avoid having his face recorded.
It wasn’t the only act of harassment against Garnaut and his family, but it was a notably overt one. The message was plain: you have displeased the Chinese government and we are going to punish you. We can always find you, we know where you live, we can act with impunity in the middle of Australia’s biggest cities. We don’t care that you worked for a prime minister. We are not afraid of Australia’s authorities."
Since what I posted and you mostly ignored was based on verified fact and you're just spouting Trumpian / right wing propaganda, you should probably apply your "Useful Idiot" tag to yourself. Actually, I'm kind of surprised you didn't throw Ukraine in with your diversion from the ongoing Russian attacks on our elections -- or has Russia & Trump given up on that nonsense?.
Until that occurs, you are just a mirror image of Trump, spouting nonsense.
Again, another case of the Xi Jinping overextending his reach.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49317695
"Later that month, the territory held local council elections that were seen as a barometer of public opinion.The vote saw a landslide victory for the pro-democracy movement, with 17 of the 18 councils now controlled by pro-democracy councillors."
and today;
Take your propaganda elsewhere.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/09/hong-kong-arbitrary-arrests-brutal-beatings-and-torture-in-police-detention-revealed/
"The Hong Kong police’s heavy-handed crowd-control response on the streets has been livestreamed for the world to see. Much less visible is the plethora of police abuses against protesters that take place out of sight."
“Time and again, police officers meted out violence prior to and during arrests, even when the individual had been restrained or detained. The use of force was therefore clearly excessive, violating international human rights law,” said Nicholas Bequelin.
The World knows what they saw, and it is Police Brutality in Hong Kong. It's all there, but obviously suppressed in Mainland China, who don't abide by international human rights Law.
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Many Hong Kong people protested the planned extradition law for many months. There are some people going extreme. They smashed stores. They burned people. Hong Kong police used tear gas trying to restore order. Do you see any video of these things?tmay said:
I'm sure that you have a specific complaint about the many months of coverage of the Hong Kong Protests that you could post. That certainly didn't appear like the Western Propaganda Machine in action, but I can see how you and Mainland China would be afraid of the reality of Hong Kong Citizens protesting to maintain their current freedoms.tzeshan said:
Your links are just news media echoing opinions of western propaganda machines based on distortion and imagination.tmay said:
Try reading my posts with comprehension, then post links to support your point of view that China is "benevolent".GeorgeBMac said:tmay said:
Certainly they wouldn't tolerate that, but they and their pals Russia, are more than happy to provide those attacks, especially to glean whatever dual use technology they can from the West, and rely on useful idiots as yourself to do the rest;GeorgeBMac said:tzeshan said:
Western civilization is based on two cultures, classical Greece and Christianity. Christianity displaced Greek culture after it became the Roman national religion. Christianity thinks human beings are born with sin or evil. Believing God is the only way for redemption. Chinese culture is based on Confucianism for over two thousand year. Confucianism thinks human being are born good. You became evil because of environment. Education is the way to learn to be good instead of becoming bad. And the government should be actively getting rid of bad people.GeorgeBMac said:tzeshan said:
I think Freedom of Speech will be the downfall of western civilization. Because it is implemented without any check and balance in US. As a result, exaggeration, distortion, and lies like Trump like to call, have flooded the Americans society. America is losing competitive power because of Freedom of Speech. Freedom fo Speech is the source of culture collision between US and China. US Congress hates China because China does not allow Freedom of Speech like in US. US Congress passed laws accusing China of human rights violations. India just passed laws banning Muslims of getting citizenship. US Congress is mum on India. Why? So US Congress stance on China is contradictory. And this will backfire on US.tmay said:
LOL, I love how you are so adept at sticking your head in the sand.GeorgeBMac said:
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it.tmay said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646GeorgeBMac said:tmay said:
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".tzeshan said:
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.StrangeDays said:
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.GeorgeBMac said:That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-organ-harvesting/un-urged-to-investigate-organ-harvesting-in-china-idUSKBN1W92FL ;
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-covers-up-killing-of-prisoners-to-harvest-organs-for-transplant-new-report/#1a49ac5c2ec7
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/06/china-un-criticism-human-rights-record
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/
Yes, that is so true. And ironic since it has been touted for most of my life as one of the inherent strengths of our country. But, today we have a president lacking in morals who lies more than he tells the truth and is backed by a powerful right wing propaganda machine deicated to spreading his propaganda -- and now has the world's most powerful military, intelligence and justice systems at his beck and call to lend credence and legitimacy to his false claims.
Yes, our free press has been weaponized as a political tool of a would be despot.
For one thousand years Europeans daily live is for redemption just like Muslims today. Then modern science is born. Some intellectuals have doubts on the truthfulness of the Bible. But less educated people cannot understand science. They still believe in God wholeheartedly.When USA is founded the founding fathers realized this conflict. They passed amendment to protect freedom of speech so government cannot control religion. Government has to tolerate lies as long as people pretend the lies are for goodness.
So what Chinese government did it in Xinjiang is based on the old Chinese culture not communism. The government tried to re-educate people because it thinks the terrorism activities there is people being led by bad environment.
From my personal view point, I think humans beings are born with some evil. Christianity is more right than Confucianism. Freedom of speech forbids government to teach people and control people. For the ultra right ring white supremacists that think Chinese culture is bad and western culture is nice, please explain to me why western civilization created two world wars? I have not read any western scholar dare to explain thin in terms of culture. But they are very eager to blame any bad thing in China on Chinese culture.
Freedom of speech is only good intellectuals. For low iq people, their speech is most likely flawed, illogical, and against facts. They use imagination to make up speeches.I think people are born with the capacity for both good and evil. And, it is a decision that each must make on a daily basis.As for freedom of the press: right now China's is the stronger system. We just got done having Russia and the Far Right exploit our free press to overturn a national election through a disinformation campaign that continues to this day. And, while that is going on, the far right continues to use it in order to grow home grown terrorists.
Our free press is being weaponized and used against us by those who choose evil to attack the foundations of U.S. society. China simply wouldn't tolerate that.
"In political jargon, a useful idiot is a derogatory term for a person perceived as propagandizing for a cause without fully comprehending the cause's goals, and who is cynically used by the cause's leaders.[1][2] The term was originally used during the Cold War to describe non-communists regarded as susceptible to communist propaganda and manipulation.[1] The term has often been attributed to Vladimir Lenin,[3] but this attribution is unsubstantiated.[4][5]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
and;
https://www.uscc.gov/research/chinas-overseas-united-front-work-background-and-implications-united-statesSummary:Yeah, China's fucking wonderful..."China uses “United Front” work to co-opt and neutralize sources of potential opposition to the policies and authority of its ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The CCP’s United Front Work Department (UFWD)—the agency responsible for coordinating these kinds of influence operations—mostly focuses on the management of potential opposition groups inside China, but it also has an important foreign influence mission. To carry out its influence activities abroad, the UFWD directs “overseas Chinese work,” which seeks to co-opt ethnic Chinese individuals and communities living outside China, while a number of other key affiliated organizations guided by China’s broader United Front strategy conduct influence operations targeting foreign actors and states. Some of these entities have clear connections to the CCP’s United Front strategy, while others’ linkage is less explicit. Today, United Front-related organizations are playing an increasingly important role in China’s broader foreign policy under Chinese President and General Secretary of the CCP Xi Jinping. It is precisely the nature of United Front work to seek influence through connections that are difficult to publically prove and to gain influence that is interwoven with sensitive issues such as ethnic, political, and national identity, making those who seek to identify the negative effects of such influence vulnerable to accusations of prejudice. Because of the complexities of this issue, it is crucial for the U.S. government to better understand Beijing’s United Front strategy, its goals, and the actors responsible for achieving them if it is to formulate an effective and comprehensive response."
Tzeshan is almost certainly a participant in the United Front, which has been much less effective in the U.S. than it has in smaller democracies.
Still, nations are waking up;
"Russia’s efforts to influence elections in the United States and Europe were a wake-up call about the threat of foreign influence in domestic public opinion and politics, blatantly violating norms of non-interference.
China is not guilty of Russia’s excesses, but Beijing’s information and influence campaign has affected countries from Singapore to Sweden, causing many to take countermeasures.
China’s campaigns range from overt diplomacy and public messaging disseminated through propaganda organs, to covert cyber exercises by specialised hackers and the “” on social networking sites.Its capabilities are built into the government’s vast propaganda apparatus, including the People’s Liberation Army, intelligence departments, and the foreign education and culture ministries.
"“How are you?” John asked one woman in Mandarin. She said nothing and abruptly left. But, oddly, she returned 10 minutes later wearing a different-coloured shirt. The group persisted even after John and Tara got up to leave, until Tara started to film them with her phone camera. One man was walking directly towards her until she produced the phone, at which point he immediately started walking sideways, crab-style, to avoid having his face recorded.
It wasn’t the only act of harassment against Garnaut and his family, but it was a notably overt one. The message was plain: you have displeased the Chinese government and we are going to punish you. We can always find you, we know where you live, we can act with impunity in the middle of Australia’s biggest cities. We don’t care that you worked for a prime minister. We are not afraid of Australia’s authorities."
Since what I posted and you mostly ignored was based on verified fact and you're just spouting Trumpian / right wing propaganda, you should probably apply your "Useful Idiot" tag to yourself. Actually, I'm kind of surprised you didn't throw Ukraine in with your diversion from the ongoing Russian attacks on our elections -- or has Russia & Trump given up on that nonsense?.
Until that occurs, you are just a mirror image of Trump, spouting nonsense.
Again, another case of the Xi Jinping overextending his reach. -
Pair of Apple suppliers seek funding to expand AirPods production in Vietnam
Your links are just news media echoing opinions of western propaganda machines based on distortion and imagination.tmay said:
Try reading my posts with comprehension, then post links to support your point of view that China is "benevolent".GeorgeBMac said:tmay said:
Certainly they wouldn't tolerate that, but they and their pals Russia, are more than happy to provide those attacks, especially to glean whatever dual use technology they can from the West, and rely on useful idiots as yourself to do the rest;GeorgeBMac said:tzeshan said:
Western civilization is based on two cultures, classical Greece and Christianity. Christianity displaced Greek culture after it became the Roman national religion. Christianity thinks human beings are born with sin or evil. Believing God is the only way for redemption. Chinese culture is based on Confucianism for over two thousand year. Confucianism thinks human being are born good. You became evil because of environment. Education is the way to learn to be good instead of becoming bad. And the government should be actively getting rid of bad people.GeorgeBMac said:tzeshan said:
I think Freedom of Speech will be the downfall of western civilization. Because it is implemented without any check and balance in US. As a result, exaggeration, distortion, and lies like Trump like to call, have flooded the Americans society. America is losing competitive power because of Freedom of Speech. Freedom fo Speech is the source of culture collision between US and China. US Congress hates China because China does not allow Freedom of Speech like in US. US Congress passed laws accusing China of human rights violations. India just passed laws banning Muslims of getting citizenship. US Congress is mum on India. Why? So US Congress stance on China is contradictory. And this will backfire on US.tmay said:
LOL, I love how you are so adept at sticking your head in the sand.GeorgeBMac said:
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it.tmay said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646GeorgeBMac said:tmay said:
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".tzeshan said:
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.StrangeDays said:
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.GeorgeBMac said:That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-organ-harvesting/un-urged-to-investigate-organ-harvesting-in-china-idUSKBN1W92FL ;
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-covers-up-killing-of-prisoners-to-harvest-organs-for-transplant-new-report/#1a49ac5c2ec7
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/06/china-un-criticism-human-rights-record
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/
Yes, that is so true. And ironic since it has been touted for most of my life as one of the inherent strengths of our country. But, today we have a president lacking in morals who lies more than he tells the truth and is backed by a powerful right wing propaganda machine deicated to spreading his propaganda -- and now has the world's most powerful military, intelligence and justice systems at his beck and call to lend credence and legitimacy to his false claims.
Yes, our free press has been weaponized as a political tool of a would be despot.
For one thousand years Europeans daily live is for redemption just like Muslims today. Then modern science is born. Some intellectuals have doubts on the truthfulness of the Bible. But less educated people cannot understand science. They still believe in God wholeheartedly.When USA is founded the founding fathers realized this conflict. They passed amendment to protect freedom of speech so government cannot control religion. Government has to tolerate lies as long as people pretend the lies are for goodness.
So what Chinese government did it in Xinjiang is based on the old Chinese culture not communism. The government tried to re-educate people because it thinks the terrorism activities there is people being led by bad environment.
From my personal view point, I think humans beings are born with some evil. Christianity is more right than Confucianism. Freedom of speech forbids government to teach people and control people. For the ultra right ring white supremacists that think Chinese culture is bad and western culture is nice, please explain to me why western civilization created two world wars? I have not read any western scholar dare to explain thin in terms of culture. But they are very eager to blame any bad thing in China on Chinese culture.
Freedom of speech is only good intellectuals. For low iq people, their speech is most likely flawed, illogical, and against facts. They use imagination to make up speeches.I think people are born with the capacity for both good and evil. And, it is a decision that each must make on a daily basis.As for freedom of the press: right now China's is the stronger system. We just got done having Russia and the Far Right exploit our free press to overturn a national election through a disinformation campaign that continues to this day. And, while that is going on, the far right continues to use it in order to grow home grown terrorists.
Our free press is being weaponized and used against us by those who choose evil to attack the foundations of U.S. society. China simply wouldn't tolerate that.
"In political jargon, a useful idiot is a derogatory term for a person perceived as propagandizing for a cause without fully comprehending the cause's goals, and who is cynically used by the cause's leaders.[1][2] The term was originally used during the Cold War to describe non-communists regarded as susceptible to communist propaganda and manipulation.[1] The term has often been attributed to Vladimir Lenin,[3] but this attribution is unsubstantiated.[4][5]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
and;
https://www.uscc.gov/research/chinas-overseas-united-front-work-background-and-implications-united-statesSummary:Yeah, China's fucking wonderful..."China uses “United Front” work to co-opt and neutralize sources of potential opposition to the policies and authority of its ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The CCP’s United Front Work Department (UFWD)—the agency responsible for coordinating these kinds of influence operations—mostly focuses on the management of potential opposition groups inside China, but it also has an important foreign influence mission. To carry out its influence activities abroad, the UFWD directs “overseas Chinese work,” which seeks to co-opt ethnic Chinese individuals and communities living outside China, while a number of other key affiliated organizations guided by China’s broader United Front strategy conduct influence operations targeting foreign actors and states. Some of these entities have clear connections to the CCP’s United Front strategy, while others’ linkage is less explicit. Today, United Front-related organizations are playing an increasingly important role in China’s broader foreign policy under Chinese President and General Secretary of the CCP Xi Jinping. It is precisely the nature of United Front work to seek influence through connections that are difficult to publically prove and to gain influence that is interwoven with sensitive issues such as ethnic, political, and national identity, making those who seek to identify the negative effects of such influence vulnerable to accusations of prejudice. Because of the complexities of this issue, it is crucial for the U.S. government to better understand Beijing’s United Front strategy, its goals, and the actors responsible for achieving them if it is to formulate an effective and comprehensive response."
Tzeshan is almost certainly a participant in the United Front, which has been much less effective in the U.S. than it has in smaller democracies.
Still, nations are waking up;
"Russia’s efforts to influence elections in the United States and Europe were a wake-up call about the threat of foreign influence in domestic public opinion and politics, blatantly violating norms of non-interference.
China is not guilty of Russia’s excesses, but Beijing’s information and influence campaign has affected countries from Singapore to Sweden, causing many to take countermeasures.
China’s campaigns range from overt diplomacy and public messaging disseminated through propaganda organs, to covert cyber exercises by specialised hackers and the “” on social networking sites.Its capabilities are built into the government’s vast propaganda apparatus, including the People’s Liberation Army, intelligence departments, and the foreign education and culture ministries.
"“How are you?” John asked one woman in Mandarin. She said nothing and abruptly left. But, oddly, she returned 10 minutes later wearing a different-coloured shirt. The group persisted even after John and Tara got up to leave, until Tara started to film them with her phone camera. One man was walking directly towards her until she produced the phone, at which point he immediately started walking sideways, crab-style, to avoid having his face recorded.
It wasn’t the only act of harassment against Garnaut and his family, but it was a notably overt one. The message was plain: you have displeased the Chinese government and we are going to punish you. We can always find you, we know where you live, we can act with impunity in the middle of Australia’s biggest cities. We don’t care that you worked for a prime minister. We are not afraid of Australia’s authorities."
Since what I posted and you mostly ignored was based on verified fact and you're just spouting Trumpian / right wing propaganda, you should probably apply your "Useful Idiot" tag to yourself. Actually, I'm kind of surprised you didn't throw Ukraine in with your diversion from the ongoing Russian attacks on our elections -- or has Russia & Trump given up on that nonsense?.
Until that occurs, you are just a mirror image of Trump, spouting nonsense. -
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Western civilization is based on two cultures, classical Greece and Christianity. Christianity displaced Greek culture after it became the Roman national religion. Christianity thinks human beings are born with sin or evil. Believing God is the only way for redemption. Chinese culture is based on Confucianism for over two thousand year. Confucianism thinks human being are born good. You became evil because of environment. Education is the way to learn to be good instead of becoming bad. And the government should be actively getting rid of bad people.GeorgeBMac said:tzeshan said:
I think Freedom of Speech will be the downfall of western civilization. Because it is implemented without any check and balance in US. As a result, exaggeration, distortion, and lies like Trump like to call, have flooded the Americans society. America is losing competitive power because of Freedom of Speech. Freedom fo Speech is the source of culture collision between US and China. US Congress hates China because China does not allow Freedom of Speech like in US. US Congress passed laws accusing China of human rights violations. India just passed laws banning Muslims of getting citizenship. US Congress is mum on India. Why? So US Congress stance on China is contradictory. And this will backfire on US.tmay said:
LOL, I love how you are so adept at sticking your head in the sand.GeorgeBMac said:
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it.tmay said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646GeorgeBMac said:tmay said:
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".tzeshan said:
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.StrangeDays said:
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.GeorgeBMac said:That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-organ-harvesting/un-urged-to-investigate-organ-harvesting-in-china-idUSKBN1W92FL ;
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-covers-up-killing-of-prisoners-to-harvest-organs-for-transplant-new-report/#1a49ac5c2ec7
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/06/china-un-criticism-human-rights-record
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/
Yes, that is so true. And ironic since it has been touted for most of my life as one of the inherent strengths of our country. But, today we have a president lacking in morals who lies more than he tells the truth and is backed by a powerful right wing propaganda machine deicated to spreading his propaganda -- and now has the world's most powerful military, intelligence and justice systems at his beck and call to lend credence and legitimacy to his false claims.
Yes, our free press has been weaponized as a political tool of a would be despot.
For one thousand years Europeans daily live is for redemption just like Muslims today. Then modern science is born. Some intellectuals have doubts on the truthfulness of the Bible. But less educated people cannot understand science. They still believe in God wholeheartedly.When USA is founded the founding fathers realized this conflict. They passed amendment to protect freedom of speech so government cannot control religion. Government has to tolerate lies as long as people pretend the lies are for goodness.
So what Chinese government did it in Xinjiang is based on the old Chinese culture not communism. The government tried to re-educate people because it thinks the terrorism activities there is people being led by bad environment.
From my personal view point, I think humans beings are born with some evil. Christianity is more right than Confucianism. Freedom of speech forbids government to teach people and control people. For the ultra right ring white supremacists that think Chinese culture is bad and western culture is nice, please explain to me why western civilization created two world wars? I have not read any western scholar dare to explain thin in terms of culture. But they are very eager to blame any bad thing in China on Chinese culture.
Freedom of speech is only good intellectuals. For low iq people, their speech is most likely flawed, illogical, and against facts. They use imagination to make up speeches.
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I think Freedom of Speech will be the downfall of western civilization. Because it is implemented without any check and balance in US. As a result, exaggeration, distortion, and lies like Trump like to call, have flooded the Americans society. America is losing competitive power because of Freedom of Speech. Freedom fo Speech is the source of culture collision between US and China. US Congress hates China because China does not allow Freedom of Speech like in US. US Congress passed laws accusing China of human rights violations. India just passed laws banning Muslims of getting citizenship. US Congress is mum on India. Why? So US Congress stance on China is contradictory. And this will backfire on US.tmay said:
LOL, I love how you are so adept at sticking your head in the sand.GeorgeBMac said:
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it.tmay said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646GeorgeBMac said:tmay said:
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".tzeshan said:
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.StrangeDays said:
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.GeorgeBMac said:That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-organ-harvesting/un-urged-to-investigate-organ-harvesting-in-china-idUSKBN1W92FL ;
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-covers-up-killing-of-prisoners-to-harvest-organs-for-transplant-new-report/#1a49ac5c2ec7
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/06/china-un-criticism-human-rights-record
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/