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ARM severs ties with Huawei, creating crisis for future phone designs
Huawei may lesson the pressure by splitting into two. US government only has a legitimate reason(?) to ban Huawei for 5G. Its smartphone is no different from Samsung Galaxy phones.
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Google suspends Huawei's Android license, forces switch to open-source version
I am not associated with any organization. I am just an avid news reader. It looks like you are associated with FAPA. Am I right?tmay said:
I posted links to the ownership analysis, which you have ignored.tzeshan said:
Do you read Epochtimes? It draws from a network of sources inside China, as well as Chinese expatriates living in the West. It has a spy network in China. So if Huawei is 99% owned by Chinese government, it should already has the evidence.tmay said:
Your argument about semantics is not relevant to this conversation.tzeshan said:
I have no knowledge of who owned Huawei except what you said is a worker union. What about Epochtimes?tmay said:
So, you would disagree that Huawei is 99% owned by the Chinese Government, then please show your data and analysis to prove otherwise.tzeshan said:
Faulty logic. According to this logic, epoch times is funded by US. So Epochtimes is US and US is Epochtimes.tmay said:
I'll provide links that indeed support the fact that Huawei is 1% owned by Ren, and 99% owned by a Chinese Worker Union, which leads to the Chinese Government.muthuk_vanalingam said:
His very first statement "Huawei is China and China is Huawei" is incorrect. If "China is Huawei" is a factual statement, then what are Xiaomi/BBK/Lenovo etc? They are USA?tmay said:
All of your statements are supported by factual information.sirozha said:Huawei is China and China is Huawei. Read the story of Huawei.
The IP theft by all Chinese companies is well documented. Moreover, the Chinese government requires surrender of the IP to the Chinese “partners” by Western companies who want to do business in China. Add to that currency manipulation, Chinese government subsidies, etc. Finally, have you heard about the Chinese government requiring all of their graduate students to engage in the IP theft from Western universities where they participate in research as part of their graduate studies? It’s not even an option; it’s a requirement. The Chinese government withdraws its tuition payments of the graduate student comes home for summer without the “goodies, i.e. files of stolen IP. The Chinese government also requires that its nationals employed in the West engage in industrial espionage by applying pressure on the relatives who still live in China if a particular Chinese individual doesn’t send home stolen IP.
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Links to that effect are very easy to find.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3372669
https://thechinacollection.org/huaweis-ownership-huaweis-statement-response/
https://sayari.com/huaweis-ownership-opaque-unusual/
So essentially, Huawei is so opaque that there is no other assumption that could be made that is realistic other than 99% state ownership.
You're welcome to provide alternate analysis and data.
Bottom line, Huawei and China are one and the same.
"The Epoch Times is a multi-language newspaper headquartered in New York City. The company was founded in 2000 by John Tang and a group of Chinese Americans associated with the Falun Gong spiritual movement. The newspaper covers general interest topics with a focus on news about China and human rights issues there."
Not owned by the U.S. Government, unless you have supporting data and analysis otherwise, which you don't.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/about-us
They are decidedly biased agains the CCP, but that has nothing to do with the U.S. Government.
Are you attempting to steer this to a human rights issue?
I don't know history of Huawei. My guess is Rea funded it many years ago. It got a lot of business from Chinese government. So it grows and grows. This is completely feasible. Trying to tie it to Chinese government is purely politically motivated.
No, I don't read Epochtimes, and even if I did, it isn't relevant to the conversation. I do know a lot about United Front, which is the CCP's and PLA's Chinese diaspora based worldwide influencing campaign, specifically to reunite Taiwan with Mainland China, but also attempting to buy politicians and influence political and economics in Western Countries, especially Canada, New Zealand, Britain and Australia, part of the Five Eyes.
As far as I can tell, you are part of that, fairly or unfairly.
Our conversation is over.
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Google suspends Huawei's Android license, forces switch to open-source version
Do you read Epochtimes? It draws from a network of sources inside China, as well as Chinese expatriates living in the West. It has a spy network in China. So if Huawei is 99% owned by Chinese government, it should already has the evidence.tmay said:
Your argument about semantics is not relevant to this conversation.tzeshan said:
I have no knowledge of who owned Huawei except what you said is a worker union. What about Epochtimes?tmay said:
So, you would disagree that Huawei is 99% owned by the Chinese Government, then please show your data and analysis to prove otherwise.tzeshan said:
Faulty logic. According to this logic, epoch times is funded by US. So Epochtimes is US and US is Epochtimes.tmay said:
I'll provide links that indeed support the fact that Huawei is 1% owned by Ren, and 99% owned by a Chinese Worker Union, which leads to the Chinese Government.muthuk_vanalingam said:
His very first statement "Huawei is China and China is Huawei" is incorrect. If "China is Huawei" is a factual statement, then what are Xiaomi/BBK/Lenovo etc? They are USA?tmay said:
All of your statements are supported by factual information.sirozha said:Huawei is China and China is Huawei. Read the story of Huawei.
The IP theft by all Chinese companies is well documented. Moreover, the Chinese government requires surrender of the IP to the Chinese “partners” by Western companies who want to do business in China. Add to that currency manipulation, Chinese government subsidies, etc. Finally, have you heard about the Chinese government requiring all of their graduate students to engage in the IP theft from Western universities where they participate in research as part of their graduate studies? It’s not even an option; it’s a requirement. The Chinese government withdraws its tuition payments of the graduate student comes home for summer without the “goodies, i.e. files of stolen IP. The Chinese government also requires that its nationals employed in the West engage in industrial espionage by applying pressure on the relatives who still live in China if a particular Chinese individual doesn’t send home stolen IP.
Kudos
Links to that effect are very easy to find.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3372669
https://thechinacollection.org/huaweis-ownership-huaweis-statement-response/
https://sayari.com/huaweis-ownership-opaque-unusual/
So essentially, Huawei is so opaque that there is no other assumption that could be made that is realistic other than 99% state ownership.
You're welcome to provide alternate analysis and data.
Bottom line, Huawei and China are one and the same.
"The Epoch Times is a multi-language newspaper headquartered in New York City. The company was founded in 2000 by John Tang and a group of Chinese Americans associated with the Falun Gong spiritual movement. The newspaper covers general interest topics with a focus on news about China and human rights issues there."
Not owned by the U.S. Government, unless you have supporting data and analysis otherwise, which you don't.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/about-us
They are decidedly biased agains the CCP, but that has nothing to do with the U.S. Government.
Are you attempting to steer this to a human rights issue?
I don't know history of Huawei. My guess is Rea funded it many years ago. It got a lot of business from Chinese government. So it grows and grows. This is completely feasible. Trying to tie it to Chinese government is purely politically motivated. -
Google suspends Huawei's Android license, forces switch to open-source version
I have no knowledge of who owned Huawei except what you said is a worker union. What about Epochtimes?tmay said:
So, you would disagree that Huawei is 99% owned by the Chinese Government, then please show your data and analysis to prove otherwise.tzeshan said:
Faulty logic. According to this logic, epoch times is funded by US. So Epochtimes is US and US is Epochtimes.tmay said:
I'll provide links that indeed support the fact that Huawei is 1% owned by Ren, and 99% owned by a Chinese Worker Union, which leads to the Chinese Government.muthuk_vanalingam said:
His very first statement "Huawei is China and China is Huawei" is incorrect. If "China is Huawei" is a factual statement, then what are Xiaomi/BBK/Lenovo etc? They are USA?tmay said:
All of your statements are supported by factual information.sirozha said:Huawei is China and China is Huawei. Read the story of Huawei.
The IP theft by all Chinese companies is well documented. Moreover, the Chinese government requires surrender of the IP to the Chinese “partners” by Western companies who want to do business in China. Add to that currency manipulation, Chinese government subsidies, etc. Finally, have you heard about the Chinese government requiring all of their graduate students to engage in the IP theft from Western universities where they participate in research as part of their graduate studies? It’s not even an option; it’s a requirement. The Chinese government withdraws its tuition payments of the graduate student comes home for summer without the “goodies, i.e. files of stolen IP. The Chinese government also requires that its nationals employed in the West engage in industrial espionage by applying pressure on the relatives who still live in China if a particular Chinese individual doesn’t send home stolen IP.
Kudos
Links to that effect are very easy to find.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3372669
https://thechinacollection.org/huaweis-ownership-huaweis-statement-response/
https://sayari.com/huaweis-ownership-opaque-unusual/
So essentially, Huawei is so opaque that there is no other assumption that could be made that is realistic other than 99% state ownership.
You're welcome to provide alternate analysis and data.
Bottom line, Huawei and China are one and the same. -
Google suspends Huawei's Android license, forces switch to open-source version
Faulty logic. According to this logic, epoch times is funded by US. So Epochtimes is US and US is Epochtimes.tmay said:
I'll provide links that indeed support the fact that Huawei is 1% owned by Ren, and 99% owned by a Chinese Worker Union, which leads to the Chinese Government.muthuk_vanalingam said:
His very first statement "Huawei is China and China is Huawei" is incorrect. If "China is Huawei" is a factual statement, then what are Xiaomi/BBK/Lenovo etc? They are USA?tmay said:
All of your statements are supported by factual information.sirozha said:Huawei is China and China is Huawei. Read the story of Huawei.
The IP theft by all Chinese companies is well documented. Moreover, the Chinese government requires surrender of the IP to the Chinese “partners” by Western companies who want to do business in China. Add to that currency manipulation, Chinese government subsidies, etc. Finally, have you heard about the Chinese government requiring all of their graduate students to engage in the IP theft from Western universities where they participate in research as part of their graduate studies? It’s not even an option; it’s a requirement. The Chinese government withdraws its tuition payments of the graduate student comes home for summer without the “goodies, i.e. files of stolen IP. The Chinese government also requires that its nationals employed in the West engage in industrial espionage by applying pressure on the relatives who still live in China if a particular Chinese individual doesn’t send home stolen IP.
Kudos
Links to that effect are very easy to find.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3372669
https://thechinacollection.org/huaweis-ownership-huaweis-statement-response/
https://sayari.com/huaweis-ownership-opaque-unusual/
So essentially, Huawei is so opaque that there is no other assumption that could be made that is realistic other than 99% state ownership.
You're welcome to provide alternate analysis and data.
Bottom line, Huawei and China are one and the same.
