tzeshan

wizard69 said:

tzeshan said:

wizard69 said:

Apple needs to be held accountable here.   It’s bad enough that they are using slave labor in China, that will not be tolerated in a freer country like India.  Beyond that the wages highlight just how low Apple will go to enhance margins.   Exploitation is exactly that no matter how much you try to distance yourself.    I really don’t think Cook grasps how bad his behavior is in this regard.  

Slave labor is used according to American living standard. In many countries it is not slave labor. You are ignorant of Apple business. Foxconn, Wistron, Pegatron are not owned by Apple. They are contracting companies. They also build products for many other companies. Can you elaborate what Apple did to them to enhance margins? 

I'm not sure what you are after here.    Apple does indeed use slave labor in China, this isn't about standards of living but rather the Chinese government interning people in labor camps for political purposes.   The net result if forced labor.

As for my supposed ignorance, I suggest you look in the mirror.   Apple has had long term relationships with these companies even after years and years of reported misbehavior.    Apple only reason to do business with them is to get their work done in largely unregulated areas of the world.   Even if there are "regulations" China is so corrupt that it really doesn't matter if there are labor laws.  

You must be a bit out of touch with respect to what Apple does to its suppliers.   The history there is pretty public so you don't need to take my word for it.    In a nut shell they simply make demands that the contractors have to make to keep the business.

Look at it another way, back in the day when Apple closed down manufacturing in the USA and eventually moved most of it to China, they didn't change the prices on anything one bit.   In fact they continued to raise prices.   This has lead to the highest margins in the industry.    It is pretty hard to believe that you are so out of touch that you don't realize just how high Apples margins are on its products.    That was all about Apples move to China to get products manufactured at a far lower costs.    Not one penny of that savings was passed on to consumers in lower prices.

By the way Apple isn't the only company guilty here, almost every business that moved to China just increased their profits on stuff sold in the USA.   Prices never came down.   Basically a good part of America got screwed over by US based companies enjoying the slave labor afforded them by the CCP.  

Talking about politics, China is accused by political forces abroad for using forced labor, slave labor. China has hundreds of millions of workers. Apple has to use slave labor or forced to make the most expensive products in the world? Give me a break! Apple enjoys high margins not because of cheap production but because of it is making premium quality products that consumers would not mind paying extraordinary price for them. 
Apple moved to China many years ago because a lot of PC manufacturers are making Wintel machines there and thus able to sell PCs at bargain prices. I think you are too young to see this history. 
America screwed itself. Because the people demand higher pay. They used strikes to force companies to increase wages. But in the 1970s Japan is making cheaper cars that many consumers chose. President Reagan broke the union by encouraging free trade allowing US companies relocating plants overseas. China took advantage of this trend. Blaming others for one's own fault and denying one's fault is really typical of democracy. Because in democracy people is always right thus cannot admit responsibility.

lkrupp said:

Alger said:

Welcome to India.  Supposed democracy where 98% of the population are treated like human garbage, due to barbaric, medieval caste system, mindless religious zealotry and grotesque overpopulation.  If Apple don't want to see their humanistic reputation (what's left of it after almost selling their soul to capture Chinese market) sullied even further, they had better tighten their grip and sense of responsibility over their proxies there.

I agree. Apple should tone down the virtue signaling about human rights, privacy and security. It makes them look very hypocritical at best. While Macs and iOS devices may be somewhat more secure than the competition they are not in any way bulletproof, as has been demonstrated time and again when security researchers find flaws. And in terms of humanistic reputation Apple is doing business with some truly nasty actors, both primary and secondary. Think about mining in Africa.

Apple was forced to do so. A few years ago Foxconn employees jumped to death. The responsibility is on Apple suppliers. Human rights hypocrites stretch everything to suit their agenda. 

tmay said:

China's "blame anyone else for COVID 19 origin" propaganda campaign, 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/29/a-year-after-wuhan-alarm-china-seeks-to-change-covid-origin-story

Italian scientists published a paper on Lancet medical medicine saying Italians had suffered COVID-19 last year before the disease outbreak in Wuhan at end of December, 2019. 
Aids outbreak happened in SF US in the 1980s. It was found the virus originated in Africa. Scientists know the origin of a transmittable disease cannot be tied to the place of first outbreak. This is science. 

Apple should compare the performance of old and new MacBook pros side by side in the presentation. 

Installed it today. I was greatly delighted by a new feature that even Apple does not talk about it. I have ten home screens. It was great pain to flip screen by screen to find an app in iOS 13. Now when you touch and hold the dots near the bottom of the screen a slider show up. I can easily slide to the desired screen.