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bitmod said:

The point is, you can strengthen encryption as much as you want - but if you design a back door and a key... 
It only makes it more difficult for those without a key. 
Apple (and all major tech companies) flat out denied any existence of such a key or door - then it turned out they were lying and had to admit as much when PRISM was exposed. 
Then they lied about it only being 'Foreign' surveillance. 
Lied again about the depth of Obama's spying on citizens.
Remember that terrorists iphone that the FBI couldn't hack - but some mysterious company cracked Apple's uncrackable security in 5 min. 

Doesn't matter how much encryption Apple implements - they will always design a door with a key. 
Smoke and mirrors. 

You're awfully sound like Alex Jones... 

iOS security is well documented and publicly accessible to anyone, all mechanism is describe and well understand by iOS developers, here is good reading to start with: https://www.apple.com/business/docs/iOS_Security_Guide.pdf

bitmod said:

Yes the ads appear in Facebook - have seen them appear as retargeted ads on websites as well. Facebook has been the most obvious platform. 

The question is, how did Facebook glean the information from conversations in a room - or text messages in iMessage? 
We have reproduced the phenomenon with Tylenol, AirBnB - specific location, and Homedepo with a specific item.

Your story seams pretty shallow, any conversation in a room (Facebook room I suppose since iMessage doesn't have room concept) is within Facebook control.  Beside Apple products and service are not ads subsidies, Apple got absolute no gain to give away their consumer data to competition. 

bitmod said:

Yes a Myth... like Apple unequivocally denying they track location - then turns out they were all along and lied. 

You know this is a misunderstanding from reading headline only.  Apple headquarter has deny tracking location of their users, which is true.  What they found, is the iPhone backups keeps logs of nearby wi-fi therefor location can be deduce.

Then Apple unequivocally denying they have a back door for security agencies - then turns out they lied about that too.

Any references on this one? Hackers convention still do competition to find those flaws, without success so far. 

Then Apple unequivocally stating that meta data is anonymous - turns out they lied and it's not. 

What metadata your are talking about? those collected by the service providers? It doesn't concerne Apple.

Then Apple unequivocally denying they directly sell your info to 3rd parties - then turns out they take it and sell your info to 3d parties through iAd - playing linguistics games. 

Wow, you are the one who playing linguistic here. Thru iAds, Apple offered and Ads placement API for developper and a way to create interactive advertisement without needs of flash. iAds was an Apple propriety and was discontinued in 2016.  Please go back read Apple terms of services. 

And on and on... 
Man, wake up. Pull you head out of your ass and start paying attention. You got shares in the company, great! But that's no reason to live in complete denial. 

You missed some very MAJOR points in my post... 
1st - These ads are appearing from conversation in a household with no devices on or being used. As if they were listening to conversation.

Been addressed in my previous post, here is a simplified answer for you: Ads suggestion is coming from your social connection on the web.  If your friend or family has talk about it, advertiser will know it.  

2nd - Try it yourself.

Asking about Tylenol pills on iMessage? Done!  Still no ads.   Doing the same thing on Google controlled device or services, this is a different story.

3rd - You missed the point that we set out to prove the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists wrong. But we have been able to replicate this phenomenon with random products. Not always, but enough for it to be difficult to call a coincidence. 

I'll lets others judging that.   

bitmod said:

GG1 said:

bitmod said:

Smoke and mirrors. 
The FBI may not have keys - but the NSA has a back door to not only snoop but turn your mic and camera on at any time without you knowing. 
The same backdoor Apple uses to sell your info to advertisers. 

Don't believe me? try it yourself: Without having any phone or iPad on - start talking about a product: "honey, do we have any Tylenol?" "I think we are out of Tylenol", "Who in town sells Tylenol"... then watch as mysteriously your Facebook ads and cookies throw Tylenol ads at you. 

The reason battery life is worse in iOS 11 is because our devices are always listening. 

Try it yourself. We've seen it with 4 random products now - too much to be a coincidence. 
Also, everything and anything you text to someone is read and sold to advertisers. Text someone you are thinking of taking a vacation to Hawaii and watch as your ads start sending you Airbnb for Hawaii. 

The crazy thing is, we are furthest thing from conspiracy theorists - and we set out to prove this wrong... yet the results done lie. 

What you say is very plausible with Facebook, but iMessage? I doubt it, or like to doubt iMessage is doing this. Do you have proof of this regarding iMessage? or just anecdotal?

Try it yourself. Text from iMessage about a location and that you are looking for a place to stay for a vacation in some location... then watch ads for that location start showing up. We've experienced this a few times now.

It doesn't work for me, but again, i'm not using social media that can pull my interest from linked friends accounts.

bitmod said:

Smoke and mirrors. 
The FBI may not have keys - but the NSA has a back door to not only snoop but turn your mic and camera on at any time without you knowing. 
The same backdoor Apple uses to sell your info to advertisers. 

Don't believe me? try it yourself: Without having any phone or iPad on - start talking about a product: "honey, do we have any Tylenol?" "I think we are out of Tylenol", "Who in town sells Tylenol"... then watch as mysteriously your Facebook ads and cookies throw Tylenol ads at you. 

The reason battery life is worse in iOS 11 is because our devices are always listening. 

Try it yourself. We've seen it with 4 random products now - too much to be a coincidence. 
Also, everything and anything you text to someone is read and sold to advertisers. Text someone you are thinking of taking a vacation to Hawaii and watch as your ads start sending you Airbnb for Hawaii. 

The crazy thing is, we are furthest thing from conspiracy theorists - and we set out to prove this wrong... yet the results done lie. 

I hope you've got your tin foil hat!

First the NSA universal backdoor is a myth, yes they have tools they can injecte into phones with physical access.  But there is absolute no way Apple could hide this kind of backdoor without public knowledge and thoroughly describe by white hat hackers. 

This being said, even if the NSA or Apple can tap your phone, there is no interest for them to sale this information to Facebook for selling you Tylenol.  Facebook, Google and other internet giant got other way to find your points of interest from you and relative since you gave them all the infos they need by using free and ads sponsored services like Facebook, google, Gmail, Twitter, etc.

More, the youtube app was the main culprit in the batterie issue with iOS 11, Apple and Google has issue a report about it, search the web.

If you don't want to be track, stop using free stuffs... Keep in mind, you are not a Google and/or Facebook consumer, for them you are their product they sold to advertiser.