Also, what do we make of the fact that Steve seems to be playing Google and Yahoo off one another? Push email from Yahoo, but not Gmail? I'm not giving up my Gmail account!
All about market dominance. If Apple creates exclusive partnerships with many of the best web based companies, where does that leave Microsoft?
Also, what do we make of the fact that Steve seems to be playing Google and Yahoo off one another? Push email from Yahoo, but not Gmail? I'm not giving up my Gmail account!
Gmail is available it says so on the site. They were just featuring Yahoo mail.
People here seem to think that an iPod is coming with all the funcionality of the iPhone iPod. They are (almost certainly) wrong. The reason for this is simple - this phone packs a *lot* of processing/graphical punch to pack all these features in with full multitasking. Even Cover Flow needs a lot of power (try it out on an old G4). An iPod that could do all the non-phone stuff would still need to be really expensive, pretty much as expensive as the iPhone - hence we just get the iPhone.
Furthermore, it is the logical extension of the iPod growth. It started off simple but they have slowly been adding functionality to it. Why have a telephone, and an iPod, and a PDA (as I do at the moment)? It makes no sense because once you get the hardware meaty enough it might as well as do all the things together.
I think the most excititing thing is the multi-touch screen. The keyboard and mouse are ancient technology and a barrier to interacting with a computer naturally. It'll be interesting to see if they do any desktop/laptop multi-touch screens. Anyhow, multi-touch is the beginning; then it's voice recognition - especially on a phone, seeing as they're designed to be talked into!
Still, there are many many unanswered questions. Will we be able to expand the memory? If applications can be programmed for it no problem (it is a slimmed down version of OS X, after all), will we see plenty of 3rd party GPS software (much like TomTom for Windows Mobile 5)? It has bluetooth, so connecting to external bluetooth receivers is no problem.
What's the deal with battery life? I haven't seen that mentioned yet, but it would seem that a device like the iPhone is just begging to be used continuously. How long will it last? Does it have swappable batteries? I think non-swappable like an iPod is a big mistake on a phone.
Will Apple be partnering with just one carrier in each country? Will they be including all these 'extra' features like the voice mail enhancements in all markets? It needs the carriers participation making their network compatible, no?
Gmail is available it says so on the site. They were just featuring Yahoo mail.
here is one quote: "iPhone uses a rich HTML email client that fetches your email in the background from most POP3 or IMAP mail services and displays photos and graphics right along with the text."(apple.com)
i saw it explicitly mention gmail too.
i think the yahoo mail has some special functionality for the iphone
In a written response to an inquiry from CNET News.com made while Jobs' speech was still going on, a Cisco representative said, "It is our belief that with their announcement today, Apple intends to agree to the final document and public statements that were distributed to them last night." Cisco expects to receive a signed agreement Tuesday, according to the statement.
8 gigs sucks, 4 gigs, I wont even go there. It's way too small. And cigular only? Come on... What a joke. It is cool looking though.
First of all, these are supposed to be sync'd to your computer. I have hundreds of books for my Treo, but never keep more than a dozen in the phone at any one time.
Same thing with pics and videos.
Do you really want to keep all of them on this at once? It's not like songs. You don't watch videos over and over.
And it would have to be either Cingular or T-Mobile, which is worse.
8 gigs sucks, 4 gigs, I wont even go there. It's way too small. And cigular only? Come on... What a joke. It is cool looking though.
It's as big as an iPod with only as much memory as an iPod nano: imagine what it would look like if it had an internal hard drive!
The largest flash drives are 16GB and cost twice about $350. So if you want 16GB, I guess you'll have to pony-up $800 and sign a 2 year contract with Cingular.
And if you want 16GB in an unlocked phone, well, you might as well just buy a Macbook and keep your current phone for the price you'll pay.
So Apple introducs this new phone that EVERYONE has been wanting and talking about and it's too expensive, too locked in and too little storage:
1) It gets released in June - 6 months from now, some of those features could change. Remember when Apple upgraded everyone's MBP processors. Maybe we'll see bigger flash space by that time. Who knows
2) Why go exclusively with Cingular? While I've had Cingular for a long time, I'll be the first to admit I really hate dealing with them, but Cingular could have let Apple have a bigger profit on the phone. Cingular also has the largest subscriber base in the country - so you get access to more customers. Why not release on Sprint or Verizon or Cricket or T-Mobile or whatever? Who knows what went down in the business meetings. Cingular could have made one hell of an offer. I hope we'll see more carriers, but it's a start. Shit, remember all the people that griped when Apple came out with the iPod? Too many MP3 players on the market, too much to compete with, etc., etc. - and the product evolved into what it is today. The iPhone will do that as well.
3) Expensive is not exactly what I'd use to describe the phone. The Treo can run as much as 400 bucks, but they have considerably less storage and of yeah no OS X-ness. Is the iMac expensive compared to a beige box from CompUSA or Fry's? Sure, you'll pay almost 500 - 600 more for the iMac, but I'll bet you'll be happier with the iMac.
Let's wait and see what happens come June, and the let the product evolve. I can tell you one thing though, I'll buy one.
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The iPhone is still smaller and lighter than the zune.
Zune :
4.4 in. x 2.4 in. x 0.6 in.
Weight: 5.6 ounces
iPhone :
4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches
Weight : 4.8 ounces
and the iPhone has better battery life for music, and a bigger screen.
and it falls short by, oh, 22GB on storage
question: what if you are watching a movie (sideways - widescreen) and your thumb gets close to that hole?
does it shut off?
i hope not
2)no flash
no flash on the camera?
did i see right?
that is a big bummer.
3) battery - replaceable? spare battery etc.?
Also, what do we make of the fact that Steve seems to be playing Google and Yahoo off one another? Push email from Yahoo, but not Gmail? I'm not giving up my Gmail account!
All about market dominance. If Apple creates exclusive partnerships with many of the best web based companies, where does that leave Microsoft?
Also, what do we make of the fact that Steve seems to be playing Google and Yahoo off one another? Push email from Yahoo, but not Gmail? I'm not giving up my Gmail account!
Gmail is available it says so on the site. They were just featuring Yahoo mail.
Furthermore, it is the logical extension of the iPod growth. It started off simple but they have slowly been adding functionality to it. Why have a telephone, and an iPod, and a PDA (as I do at the moment)? It makes no sense because once you get the hardware meaty enough it might as well as do all the things together.
I think the most excititing thing is the multi-touch screen. The keyboard and mouse are ancient technology and a barrier to interacting with a computer naturally. It'll be interesting to see if they do any desktop/laptop multi-touch screens. Anyhow, multi-touch is the beginning; then it's voice recognition - especially on a phone, seeing as they're designed to be talked into!
Still, there are many many unanswered questions. Will we be able to expand the memory? If applications can be programmed for it no problem (it is a slimmed down version of OS X, after all), will we see plenty of 3rd party GPS software (much like TomTom for Windows Mobile 5)? It has bluetooth, so connecting to external bluetooth receivers is no problem.
What's the deal with battery life? I haven't seen that mentioned yet, but it would seem that a device like the iPhone is just begging to be used continuously. How long will it last? Does it have swappable batteries? I think non-swappable like an iPod is a big mistake on a phone.
Will Apple be partnering with just one carrier in each country? Will they be including all these 'extra' features like the voice mail enhancements in all markets? It needs the carriers participation making their network compatible, no?
... this is just the beginning!
I think the biggest surprise is that it is actually called the iPhone.
Come June I will bid farewell to Sprint.
Hello to Cingular soon to be AT&T.
Google needs to get on the ball and offer IMAP for GMail.
I would more guess the June release date because the iPhone ties into Leopard.
I think the use of Google Maps foretells Google Maps tied into Leopard
Gmail is available it says so on the site. They were just featuring Yahoo mail.
here is one quote: "iPhone uses a rich HTML email client that fetches your email in the background from most POP3 or IMAP mail services and displays photos and graphics right along with the text."(apple.com)
i saw it explicitly mention gmail too.
i think the yahoo mail has some special functionality for the iphone
3) battery - replaceable? spare battery etc.?
This is Apple we are talking about. This time the battery will be welded (rather than simply soldered) to the motherboard!
In a written response to an inquiry from CNET News.com made while Jobs' speech was still going on, a Cisco representative said, "It is our belief that with their announcement today, Apple intends to agree to the final document and public statements that were distributed to them last night." Cisco expects to receive a signed agreement Tuesday, according to the statement.
The only thing that I want to know is
can I get this in brown????
8 gigs sucks, 4 gigs, I wont even go there. It's way too small. And cigular only? Come on... What a joke. It is cool looking though.
First of all, these are supposed to be sync'd to your computer. I have hundreds of books for my Treo, but never keep more than a dozen in the phone at any one time.
Same thing with pics and videos.
Do you really want to keep all of them on this at once? It's not like songs. You don't watch videos over and over.
And it would have to be either Cingular or T-Mobile, which is worse.
They needed GSM for the world phone aspect.
WOW!! what an amazing device.
The only thing that I want to know is
can I get this in brown????
I'll spray paint it for you.
8 gigs sucks, 4 gigs, I wont even go there. It's way too small. And cigular only? Come on... What a joke. It is cool looking though.
It's as big as an iPod with only as much memory as an iPod nano: imagine what it would look like if it had an internal hard drive!
The largest flash drives are 16GB and cost twice about $350. So if you want 16GB, I guess you'll have to pony-up $800 and sign a 2 year contract with Cingular.
And if you want 16GB in an unlocked phone, well, you might as well just buy a Macbook and keep your current phone for the price you'll pay.
1) It gets released in June - 6 months from now, some of those features could change. Remember when Apple upgraded everyone's MBP processors. Maybe we'll see bigger flash space by that time. Who knows
2) Why go exclusively with Cingular? While I've had Cingular for a long time, I'll be the first to admit I really hate dealing with them, but Cingular could have let Apple have a bigger profit on the phone. Cingular also has the largest subscriber base in the country - so you get access to more customers. Why not release on Sprint or Verizon or Cricket or T-Mobile or whatever? Who knows what went down in the business meetings. Cingular could have made one hell of an offer. I hope we'll see more carriers, but it's a start. Shit, remember all the people that griped when Apple came out with the iPod? Too many MP3 players on the market, too much to compete with, etc., etc. - and the product evolved into what it is today. The iPhone will do that as well.
3) Expensive is not exactly what I'd use to describe the phone. The Treo can run as much as 400 bucks, but they have considerably less storage and of yeah no OS X-ness. Is the iMac expensive compared to a beige box from CompUSA or Fry's? Sure, you'll pay almost 500 - 600 more for the iMac, but I'll bet you'll be happier with the iMac.
Let's wait and see what happens come June, and the let the product evolve. I can tell you one thing though, I'll buy one.
Some observations...
-It appears as though the OSX it is running is based on Leopard tech.
-Mail & Notes but no ToDo.app
-Voice memos? Audio recording? a microphone jack was mentioned I believe
-2MP camera but no video capture mentioned
-No Preview.app for reading PDFs!???
-No TextEdit so no way to view a .doc attachment??
-no Apple logo on front of device(I can't imagine any other company exercising that kind of restraint)
-GPS should be doable through external Bluetooth GPS reciever
-.Mac integration not mentioned at all, instead Yahoo! push email
-No pics of desktop dock, but I assume it should be compatible with current iPod chargers.
-Will developers be able to get in on this? (Skype, Mozilla, Parallels, just kidding)
-Will Apple control the apps like it does iPod games?
-Will they sell additional apps through iTunes store?
-No games on this! Not even Chess!
-Only a single battery meter is showing (Kevin Rose said it had dual batteries?)
-I see Clock but I also hope it has an Alarm Clock function.
-No infared! (can't use as a universal remote)
-Didn't actually show the calendar app in action
-I hope it supports the Nike+
My Treo that I paid $399 for at Sprint, is now going for $299, both there and from Verison.
A Treo 750 here in the UK from vodafone with a 12 month £25 a month contract is £40. If you go for an 18 month contract it's free.
The P990 I had from Orange with a 12 month contract as an upgrade for me was free too.
Most of the HTC clones are about that too.
The only phones that attract more of a premium are things like the Nokia 8800.
i think the yahoo mail has some special functionality for the iphone
Push a la blackberry.
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