I’m so looking forward to this launch and the months following. It will break again in the hands of consumers. And again and again. And for those who don’t have mechanical issues with the beast, they will have in their hands a too small phone display when folded and a too square tablet when unfolded. A compromised product design in a market where a product’s physical design has for years been touted as essential to success. Good luck, Sammy. You’re gonna need plenty.
Not to mention that Android is absolutely and positively complete shit as a tablet OS. You're really getting the worst of all worlds here. A massively thick smartphone with huge bezels that looks like it came out in 2003, and a trash tablet. But hey, it folds.
AT LEAST SAMSUNG HAS BALLS, NOT LIKE APPLE WHO CANT INNOVATE ANYMORE /s
Samsung has balls but it's not the only one. Other competitors are getting bolder unlike Apple that's slow as molasses these days. Sure, they may follow the mantra 'slow and steady wins the race' but it can also bite them in the ass. You can't take too long to 'get it right' so Apple needs to get moving with whatever X product they're stuck with in the pipeline. However, keep in mind that Samsung has been trying to move away from Android and use the open source Tizen OS, but ended up with Samsung One OS if I recall.
And also foldable phones are not a new concept. LG, if I recall, did something similar with a side flip phone called the enV that opens up like a book with a physical keyboard and held horizontally way back in 2003-2004. In that sense, Samsung is going back to that idea but with a smartphone this time around using a foldable screen. Even T-Mobile's Sidekick was designed in similar fashion which was quite popular with deaf people that I know ( Blackberry ultimately became the favorite when Sidekick got phased out until the era of smartphones with touch screens became standard ).
"Slow as molasses these days"? Sorry, but you're completely full of shit and objectively wrong. Did you watch the last WWDC? Does that look like a company sitting on their ass? Not sure how anyone and assess the breadth and depth of those announcements and claim Apple is "slow as molasses". They're more efficient and productive than they've ever been, and that doesn't have to be defined as shitting out a new hardware form factor every month just for the hell of it. What product out there is actually more advanced than the latest iPhone in a meaningful and overall way? Apple makes serious products, backed by a serious vision and serious software. It knows that what it sells is purchased by hundreds of millions of people, and it doesn't lightly take introducing something new to market that shits on that by being half-baked, simply for having temporary bragging rights. It seems that's exactly what you want Apple to do. Every aspect of their devices, including the performance, biometrics, screen technology, software, ecosystem, reliability, design, etc is still the very best of class. You may have products that have higher specs in a couple areas, (screen resolution, etc) but I have yet to see anything as a superior overall package, and since you haven't named anything, I doubt you can either. All their mobile products, including the iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, and their included technologies, are still the very best of class.
I have no doubt Apple has folding shit in their labs. I also have no doubt that they won't release anything until they have an extremely convincing argument to consumers about why that product deserves to exist, and why it is meaningful. That's the way it should be. It seems you're happy for them to panic and release trash as a reactionary measure to others. This is what makes people lose consumer confidence in a company and its products. Apple's software, services, ecosystem, and hardware updates in the last couple of years have proven that they're not "slow as molasses" and that they're firing on all cylinders. No doubt they have some mind-blowing stuff in the pipeline, but I'll trust their release schedule compared to trolls like you without an ounce of patience or perspective, nor any understanding of what has always made Apple great. Your post could have been written anytime in the last 20 years (Apple has always been disciplined, methodical, and intentional in releasing products) and it would always have been dead-wrong, as it is today. People said the same thing when the market was being flooded with shitty tablets, then shitty smart watches, demanding why Apple didn't have anything to offer. It's because what they were working on, and what they eventually released, was a leap ahead of anything else.
I honestly don't see how anyone can be disappointed with Apple's current lineup or ecosystem. It's the best it's had in it's history.
Well done for never having understood a thing about Apple or how it operates. It's also hilarious how you accuse them of missing the ball, when the product category you're referring to has yet to show a shred of success of reliability.
Apple has been demonstrably and consistently slow with its products over the last few years. It remains a hardware company in spite of efforts to move into services, so the hardware aspect is still vital.
Mac Mini - how many years languishing? Mac Pro - how many years languishing? iPad Mini - how many years languishing? iPhone SE - dead? Or will it revive and end up on that languishing list? iMac - the same machine was presented for two consecutive Christmas seasons. That was utterly unprecedented.
iPhone? Which phone is meaningfully better? Haven't you been watching along for the last few years?
No one is saying they haven't released great products. That isn't the case, although there have been hits and misses there too.
Last year, I think it was in an editorial piece on the 2018 refresh by AI, it was pointed out that the iPhone upgrades had been overshadowed by Apple Watch Series 4 in terms of the releases.
And let's not forget that 5W charger that still ships with every new phone. That's how slow they can be.
You shouldn't get ruffled by someone saying that Apple is slow. It's a valid call and there is enough out there to back it up.
Not to mention that Android is absolutely and positively complete shit as a tablet OS. You're really getting the worst of all worlds here. A massively thick smartphone with huge bezels that looks like it came out in 2003, and a trash tablet. But hey, it folds.
AT LEAST SAMSUNG HAS BALLS, NOT LIKE APPLE WHO CANT INNOVATE ANYMORE /s
Why not put yourself in Apple's shoes for a minute or two.
They already have patents relating to folding screens so I'm sure that they know most of not all of the issues in making a device with one.
But (And this is where is becomes important)
Can you imagine the absolute shit storm of adverse publicity to be directed at Apple if they released a device that failed as spectularly as the original Samsung one did?
Their stock price could halve almost overnight. The many pension funds that have invested in Apple would not be happy so apart from the deluge of consumer class actions heading Apple's way there will be some heavy hitting pension funds filing suit as well.
Apple's reputation would suffer over the whole world.
The BOD would want revenge at the very least.
Do you seriously want that to happen?
I'm sure that many readers here would love to know your arguments.
Not to mention that Android is absolutely and positively complete shit as a tablet OS. You're really getting the worst of all worlds here. A massively thick smartphone with huge bezels that looks like it came out in 2003, and a trash tablet. But hey, it folds.
AT LEAST SAMSUNG HAS BALLS, NOT LIKE APPLE WHO CANT INNOVATE ANYMORE /s
Why not put yourself in Apple's shoes for a minute or two.
They already have patents relating to folding screens so I'm sure that they know most of not all of the issues in making a device with one.
But (And this is where is becomes important)
Can you imagine the absolute shit storm of adverse publicity to be directed at Apple if they released a device that failed as spectularly as the original Samsung one did?
Their stock price could halve almost overnight. The many pension funds that have invested in Apple would not be happy so apart from the deluge of consumer class actions heading Apple's way there will be some heavy hitting pension funds filing suit as well.
Apple's reputation would suffer over the whole world.
The BOD would want revenge at the very least.
Do you seriously want that to happen?
I'm sure that many readers here would love to know your arguments.
I think you're responding to his sarcastic comment in all caps as a serious comment?
I’m so looking forward to this launch and the months following. It will break again in the hands of consumers. And again and again. And for those who don’t have mechanical issues with the beast, they will have in their hands a too small phone display when folded and a too square tablet when unfolded. A compromised product design in a market where a product’s physical design has for years been touted as essential to success. Good luck, Sammy. You’re gonna need plenty.
Not to mention that Android is absolutely and positively complete shit as a tablet OS. You're really getting the worst of all worlds here. A massively thick smartphone with huge bezels that looks like it came out in 2003, and a trash tablet. But hey, it folds.
AT LEAST SAMSUNG HAS BALLS, NOT LIKE APPLE WHO CANT INNOVATE ANYMORE /s
Samsung has balls but it's not the only one. Other competitors are getting bolder unlike Apple that's slow as molasses these days. Sure, they may follow the mantra 'slow and steady wins the race' but it can also bite them in the ass. You can't take too long to 'get it right' so Apple needs to get moving with whatever X product they're stuck with in the pipeline. However, keep in mind that Samsung has been trying to move away from Android and use the open source Tizen OS, but ended up with Samsung One OS if I recall.
And also foldable phones are not a new concept. LG, if I recall, did something similar with a side flip phone called the enV that opens up like a book with a physical keyboard and held horizontally way back in 2003-2004. In that sense, Samsung is going back to that idea but with a smartphone this time around using a foldable screen. Even T-Mobile's Sidekick was designed in similar fashion which was quite popular with deaf people that I know ( Blackberry ultimately became the favorite when Sidekick got phased out until the era of smartphones with touch screens became standard ).
"Slow as molasses these days"? Sorry, but you're completely full of shit and objectively wrong. Did you watch the last WWDC? Does that look like a company sitting on their ass? Not sure how anyone and assess the breadth and depth of those announcements and claim Apple is "slow as molasses". They're more efficient and productive than they've ever been, and that doesn't have to be defined as shitting out a new hardware form factor every month just for the hell of it. What product out there is actually more advanced than the latest iPhone in a meaningful and overall way? Apple makes serious products, backed by a serious vision and serious software. It knows that what it sells is purchased by hundreds of millions of people, and it doesn't lightly take introducing something new to market that shits on that by being half-baked, simply for having temporary bragging rights. It seems that's exactly what you want Apple to do. Every aspect of their devices, including the performance, biometrics, screen technology, software, ecosystem, reliability, design, etc is still the very best of class. You may have products that have higher specs in a couple areas, (screen resolution, etc) but I have yet to see anything as a superior overall package, and since you haven't named anything, I doubt you can either. All their mobile products, including the iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, and their included technologies, are still the very best of class.
I have no doubt Apple has folding shit in their labs. I also have no doubt that they won't release anything until they have an extremely convincing argument to consumers about why that product deserves to exist, and why it is meaningful. That's the way it should be. It seems you're happy for them to panic and release trash as a reactionary measure to others. This is what makes people lose consumer confidence in a company and its products. Apple's software, services, ecosystem, and hardware updates in the last couple of years have proven that they're not "slow as molasses" and that they're firing on all cylinders. No doubt they have some mind-blowing stuff in the pipeline, but I'll trust their release schedule compared to trolls like you without an ounce of patience or perspective, nor any understanding of what has always made Apple great. Your post could have been written anytime in the last 20 years (Apple has always been disciplined and intentional in releasing products) and it would always have been dead-wrong, as it is today. People said the same thing when the market was being flooded with shitty tablet, then shitty smart watches, demanding why Apple didn't have anything to offer. It's because what they were working on, and what they eventually released, was a leap ahead of anything else.
Well done for never having understood a thing about Apple or how it operates.
As for " firing on all cylinders", that's a Tim Cook line. I astutely remember him saying that several years back. Are you defending him? As for being a troll, hardly because I've been around Apple products for years since the 80s. I've used Macs for my creative/design work in the last 25 years now. Even if they don't appear to panic, they hide it under the hood and mind you, Apple is not made of stone so it's bound to have cracks. All companies do.
The problem with Apple is with their current narrative on products and if you think Apple is going to be this eternally perfect, think again. It's made up of flesh and bone that can wither away, quit, or retire. About 10 years from now, most of the 'old guard' will be long gone and the company's direction might lose sight of its vision once again. I'm not one of those Apple ass kissers and am realistic enough to see that it won't stay on top forever. Have they been slow as molasses? I think it has been. Take a look at how long it took them to get rid of the butterfly keyboard, as an example, out of consumer complaints and backtrack to what made the keys work well.
There are some Apple products that don't impress me that could've been done much better the FIRST time around. They did screw things up design wise in the last several years with form over function for the most part. 1st gen iPad Pro, for instance, had the Pencil charge by the port when the Surface Pro has a magnetic strip on the side for it. The iPad Pro came out after Tim Cook publicly poo poohed the Surface Pro, green lights that particular 1st gen design, and then about 3 years later, Apple comes out with a new model that has a magnetic Pencil to hold on the side, EXACTLY the way the Surface Pro had the first time around. That's a 180 degree reactive turn by Apple. Why would Cook pooh pooh the Surface Pro and then 3 years later, go the magnetic charge on the side for the Pencil and go with a flat edge hardware design that harkens back to the iPhone 4/5? And look at iPad OS. Why didn't they do this in the first place for the iPad Pro? This tells me that something was wrong under the hood at the company. I watch how it behaves, not how much it made or how its stock is doing.
And now with Jony leaving, the question remains whether Apple will return back to function over form or stay the course, so we'll know by next year or so, give or take, if what Jony said about his disappointment with Cook not caring about the product design process is true. I don't care how much money Apple has in its coffers or how its stocks are doing. All I care about is what's going on underneath the hood in the company.
So in that sense, will they come out with a foldable device? Probably. But by then, they'll likely be late to the game which may or may not work out. Just because it's Apple doesn't mean each of their products will turn out to be gold and instant hits. That halo effect has been worn out. How Apple behaves publicly is all optics and PR. Look at how Apple is on its knees begging the White House to be exempt from the trade war over their Mac Pro situation recently. Or look at how Apple just apparently disbanded the AR team, some time after Tim Cook proclaimed AR as having great potential in one interview.
In the end, Apple is going to have challenges ahead.
Impressively worthless rant, without a single salient point. Not only did you address nothing in my post, but you went with the whole generic, cliched "Apple isn't perfect and will eventually fail" rant, which is intellectually lazy and meaningless.
As for " firing on all cylinders", that's a Tim Cook line. I astutely remember him saying that several years back. Are you defending him?
Yes, I'm such a Cook sycophant and I look back to his quotes and try to requote him. No, that my conclusion from WWDC. I have no recollection of him saying that. And I don't think Cook needs "defending", as he's done an excellent job by every imaginable metric, if you live in a sane world where your bar isn't absolute perfection.
The problem with Apple is with their current narrative on products and if you think Apple is going to be this eternally perfect, think again.
I never stated or implied that Apple is "perfect" or be "eternally perfect", and never would. So, why the need to even state that as if I did? Another red herring from you, that again, is a cliched Apple troll line. I don't care how long you've used Apple products, you can still be a troll, which is what you are. Most trolls claim they've been using Apple products for decades but now realize the company is doomed, and they've been doing that since as long as I can remember. You're not original or unique in that defense.
The next part of your post is spent shitting on the fact that Apple massively improved one of its products, and making a false comparison, jumbling a bunch of stuff together to pretend to make a point about Cook's hypocrisy. First of all, the Surface pen, back then and even TODAY, doesn't charge magnetically. It takes an AAA battery. The iPad Pro charges the pencil, which is huge and a massive improvement in functionality and usability from the surface pen and it's replaceable AAA batteries. But, you conveniently left that out as it doesn't help your narrative. Also, I don't recall Cook ever shitting on the fact specifically that the surface pen attaches magnetically, instead he criticized the overall compromised nature of the product and the fact that it wasn't a great tablet, nor a great laptop. That fact is still true. The narrative you're pushing, in that it took 3 years for Apple to "copy" the surface because of this one aspect is absolutely ludicrous and laughable. What they did is naturally add inductive charging technology to it's pencil, just like they have with their iPhone, Apple Watch, etc. They leapfrogged Microsoft's implementation, but again, you're too intellectually dishonest to acknowledge that angle.
And look at iPad OS. Why didn't they do this in the first place for the iPad Pro?
Now, shitting on Apple for improving their software, instead of praising them for doing so. Apple's tablet OS was always leaps and bounds better than any other tablet OS, but now it's that much better. This line of "why didn't they implement all these software features in version 1, years ago??" is always incredibly idiotic and not worth even commenting on. It confirms that you have absolutely no clue about anything concerning software development. Why didn't Apple launch the iPhone with iOS13? Clearly this proves the company had massive issues, right? What a completely idiotic line of thinking. Apple's software is always evolving, and in some years it makes bigger leaps on certain devices. They made it clear that they are philosophically and technically now separating iOS and iPadOS, which allowed them to do this. This shows that opposite to what your "Apple is rotten and slow" narrative is, they are always rethinking their philosophies and assumptions in order to put out the best products.
iPadOS adds almost everything people have been asking for and more, and yet, you take that as an opportunity to shit on the company and Cook instead of offering even a shred of praise. I don't think there can be any more evidence that you are indeed a troll that shouldn't be taken seriously. If you were actually a user of these products, your reaction should be joy, not hatred. The iPad Pro is universally praised as a stellar product and leagues beyond any competing product, but you'd rather go back and nitpick it's prior versions instead of assessing the bigger picture.
Your last paragraph is filled with unrelated and exaggerated trash:
So in that sense, will they come out with a foldable device? Probably. But by then, they'll likely be late to the game which may or may not work out.
Just like how it didn't work out and it was "too late" for the iPod, the iPhone, the iPad, the Apple Watch, the Airpods, right? All of those were incredibly "late to the game", with "competing" products being out for YEARS before. Yet, they are all the most successful products in their categories, by far. I honestly can't believe you used that tired line which has been disproven time and time again. You're that thick, eh?
That halo effect has been worn out.
What "halo effect"? When was Apple universally praised? I don't remember such a time. Have you been to an Apple Store lately? I have, in many countries, and they're always completely packed. People still seem to be excited about, and love the company's products. But uh, ok, sure.
Look at how Apple is on its knees begging the White House to be exempt from the trade war over their Mac Pro situation recently.
How is asking for the MacPro to be excluded from Tariffs NOT the sane, logical, rational, and useful thing to do? What fucking company WOULDN'T ask this? Apple has always lobbied the government to different extents, as does EVERY single other company worth a damn, nevermind a trillion dollar company. Especially when there's billions at stake. How does this amount to them "begging" and being "on their hands and knees"? You're insane, deluded, and out of touch with anything approaching sanity or reality. What next, is Apple "desperate" and "in a panic" because they spend money on marketing their products? Yeah, I've seen that line from trolls like you as well.
Or look at how Apple just apparently disbanded the AR team, some time after Tim Cook proclaimed AR as having great potential in one interview.
Amazing how every single one of your statements is either an outright lie, or incredibly misleading. First of all, this is a rumor from a historically unreliable source. Second of all, it is referring to, specifically, AR glasses, not AR itself. Apple is continuing to expand it's AR API and capabilties, so obviously they're not dropping the entire concept. they showed off incredibly impressive demos just a couple months ago. Third, you have no fucking clue what really happened internally. Whether the team was combined with another one, whether they paused to focus on something else, whether they shifted to a different direction, etc. Maybe they realized the technology for a couple components to truly make it a great experience wasn't quite there yet? Doesn't that make sense, or would you want them to compromise the entire future of a product category to appease people like you and release a mediocre first version? You know you'd be the first one to shit on them if they released the product and it wasn't mind-blowing. The fact that you take this incredibly vague rumor and use it as "evidence" of Apple's failings is yet another clear example that you are indeed a troll, with a very specific agenda, and not interested in assessing anything with any degree of objectivity or honesty. Nor any understanding of how product development works, which often isn't in a completely linear manner. The fact that you want to draw conclusions from limited or false information about Apple's internal development for unannounced products is so incredibly childish and petty.
In the end, Apple is going to have challenges ahead.
Wow, what an insightful line. So, Apple will face challenges, just like every single human being, and every single company on the planet? Or, can you make me a list of companies that are guaranteed not to face challenges in the future? Mind-blowing conclusion. You've convinced me. Seriously, another example of your utterly meaningless statements, disconnected from any intellectual thought. It's like you read the "how to troll Apple using the laziest, most discredited, intellectually laziest and vacuous possible". Well done, you aced that one.
I didn't make this response for you, because I know you're too much of a troll to acknowledge a word of it and admit that. I made it for others, just so we can be clear how trash your posts really are, how little you have to say, and how agenda-driven you are with your lies and dishonest, misleading statements and conclusions. You're also a massive hypocrite, and you demand that Apple rush to release new stuff based on the fact that others are releasing broken versions, and at the same time go back with a fine toothed comb to criticize why Apple didn't include X or Y in products from years ago. You want them to rush out products, and at the same time require those products to be eternally perfect from every angle, while implicitly lauding companies who release broken trash. Good stuff! I'm sure Apple would benefit infinitely from your insight. 100% of your arguments are as worthless today as they were 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago, and which Apple has become the most successful company in the world by ignoring.
This is still an entirely pointless concept. No one needs a foldable screen and no one will make one that isn’t compromised in one (or multiple) way or other.
A "folding" phone could be good, if "folding" including the capability to roll up in the the form factor of a pen or such. Like a better version of the comm devices in Gene Roddenberry's Earth Final Conflict series of a few years back.
Earth Final Conflict? I remember it. Excellent show. Don't forget WestWorld, which I haven't seen yet but heard about the 'foldable phone' in the series that's eerily close to reality.
It’s not eerily close to reality. Or remotely close to reality. You’d have to, you know, watch it to know this.
I’m so looking forward to this launch and the months following. It will break again in the hands of consumers. And again and again. And for those who don’t have mechanical issues with the beast, they will have in their hands a too small phone display when folded and a too square tablet when unfolded. A compromised product design in a market where a product’s physical design has for years been touted as essential to success. Good luck, Sammy. You’re gonna need plenty.
Not to mention that Android is absolutely and positively complete shit as a tablet OS. You're really getting the worst of all worlds here. A massively thick smartphone with huge bezels that looks like it came out in 2003, and a trash tablet. But hey, it folds.
AT LEAST SAMSUNG HAS BALLS, NOT LIKE APPLE WHO CANT INNOVATE ANYMORE /s
Samsung has balls but it's not the only one. Other competitors are getting bolder unlike Apple that's slow as molasses these days. Sure, they may follow the mantra 'slow and steady wins the race' but it can also bite them in the ass. You can't take too long to 'get it right' so Apple needs to get moving with whatever X product they're stuck with in the pipeline. However, keep in mind that Samsung has been trying to move away from Android and use the open source Tizen OS, but ended up with Samsung One OS if I recall.
And also foldable phones are not a new concept. LG, if I recall, did something similar with a side flip phone called the enV that opens up like a book with a physical keyboard and held horizontally way back in 2003-2004. In that sense, Samsung is going back to that idea but with a smartphone this time around using a foldable screen. Even T-Mobile's Sidekick was designed in similar fashion which was quite popular with deaf people that I know ( Blackberry ultimately became the favorite when Sidekick got phased out until the era of smartphones with touch screens became standard ).
"Slow as molasses these days"? Sorry, but you're completely full of shit and objectively wrong. Did you watch the last WWDC? Does that look like a company sitting on their ass? Not sure how anyone and assess the breadth and depth of those announcements and claim Apple is "slow as molasses". They're more efficient and productive than they've ever been, and that doesn't have to be defined as shitting out a new hardware form factor every month just for the hell of it. What product out there is actually more advanced than the latest iPhone in a meaningful and overall way? Apple makes serious products, backed by a serious vision and serious software. It knows that what it sells is purchased by hundreds of millions of people, and it doesn't lightly take introducing something new to market that shits on that by being half-baked, simply for having temporary bragging rights. It seems that's exactly what you want Apple to do. Every aspect of their devices, including the performance, biometrics, screen technology, software, ecosystem, reliability, design, etc is still the very best of class. You may have products that have higher specs in a couple areas, (screen resolution, etc) but I have yet to see anything as a superior overall package, and since you haven't named anything, I doubt you can either. All their mobile products, including the iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, and their included technologies, are still the very best of class.
I have no doubt Apple has folding shit in their labs. I also have no doubt that they won't release anything until they have an extremely convincing argument to consumers about why that product deserves to exist, and why it is meaningful. That's the way it should be. It seems you're happy for them to panic and release trash as a reactionary measure to others. This is what makes people lose consumer confidence in a company and its products. Apple's software, services, ecosystem, and hardware updates in the last couple of years have proven that they're not "slow as molasses" and that they're firing on all cylinders. No doubt they have some mind-blowing stuff in the pipeline, but I'll trust their release schedule compared to trolls like you without an ounce of patience or perspective, nor any understanding of what has always made Apple great. Your post could have been written anytime in the last 20 years (Apple has always been disciplined, methodical, and intentional in releasing products) and it would always have been dead-wrong, as it is today. People said the same thing when the market was being flooded with shitty tablets, then shitty smart watches, demanding why Apple didn't have anything to offer. It's because what they were working on, and what they eventually released, was a leap ahead of anything else.
I honestly don't see how anyone can be disappointed with Apple's current lineup or ecosystem. It's the best it's had in it's history.
Well done for never having understood a thing about Apple or how it operates. It's also hilarious how you accuse them of missing the ball, when the product category you're referring to has yet to show a shred of success of reliability.
Indeed. Don’t forget they also said it for netbooks. “Where is Apple! They are slow and lack innovation!” bahaha. Same old nonsense. Yet it’s only Apple that is still here, over 40 years later, building computers. And the most successful public company in human history. Slow and steady wins the race, indeed.
I’m so looking forward to this launch and the months following. It will break again in the hands of consumers. And again and again. And for those who don’t have mechanical issues with the beast, they will have in their hands a too small phone display when folded and a too square tablet when unfolded. A compromised product design in a market where a product’s physical design has for years been touted as essential to success. Good luck, Sammy. You’re gonna need plenty.
Not to mention that Android is absolutely and positively complete shit as a tablet OS. You're really getting the worst of all worlds here. A massively thick smartphone with huge bezels that looks like it came out in 2003, and a trash tablet. But hey, it folds.
AT LEAST SAMSUNG HAS BALLS, NOT LIKE APPLE WHO CANT INNOVATE ANYMORE /s
Samsung has balls but it's not the only one. Other competitors are getting bolder unlike Apple that's slow as molasses these days. Sure, they may follow the mantra 'slow and steady wins the race' but it can also bite them in the ass. You can't take too long to 'get it right' so Apple needs to get moving with whatever X product they're stuck with in the pipeline. However, keep in mind that Samsung has been trying to move away from Android and use the open source Tizen OS, but ended up with Samsung One OS if I recall.
And also foldable phones are not a new concept. LG, if I recall, did something similar with a side flip phone called the enV that opens up like a book with a physical keyboard and held horizontally way back in 2003-2004. In that sense, Samsung is going back to that idea but with a smartphone this time around using a foldable screen. Even T-Mobile's Sidekick was designed in similar fashion which was quite popular with deaf people that I know ( Blackberry ultimately became the favorite when Sidekick got phased out until the era of smartphones with touch screens became standard ).
"Slow as molasses these days"? Sorry, but you're completely full of shit and objectively wrong. Did you watch the last WWDC? Does that look like a company sitting on their ass? Not sure how anyone and assess the breadth and depth of those announcements and claim Apple is "slow as molasses". They're more efficient and productive than they've ever been, and that doesn't have to be defined as shitting out a new hardware form factor every month just for the hell of it. What product out there is actually more advanced than the latest iPhone in a meaningful and overall way? Apple makes serious products, backed by a serious vision and serious software. It knows that what it sells is purchased by hundreds of millions of people, and it doesn't lightly take introducing something new to market that shits on that by being half-baked, simply for having temporary bragging rights. It seems that's exactly what you want Apple to do. Every aspect of their devices, including the performance, biometrics, screen technology, software, ecosystem, reliability, design, etc is still the very best of class. You may have products that have higher specs in a couple areas, (screen resolution, etc) but I have yet to see anything as a superior overall package, and since you haven't named anything, I doubt you can either. All their mobile products, including the iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, and their included technologies, are still the very best of class.
I have no doubt Apple has folding shit in their labs. I also have no doubt that they won't release anything until they have an extremely convincing argument to consumers about why that product deserves to exist, and why it is meaningful. That's the way it should be. It seems you're happy for them to panic and release trash as a reactionary measure to others. This is what makes people lose consumer confidence in a company and its products. Apple's software, services, ecosystem, and hardware updates in the last couple of years have proven that they're not "slow as molasses" and that they're firing on all cylinders. No doubt they have some mind-blowing stuff in the pipeline, but I'll trust their release schedule compared to trolls like you without an ounce of patience or perspective, nor any understanding of what has always made Apple great. Your post could have been written anytime in the last 20 years (Apple has always been disciplined and intentional in releasing products) and it would always have been dead-wrong, as it is today. People said the same thing when the market was being flooded with shitty tablet, then shitty smart watches, demanding why Apple didn't have anything to offer. It's because what they were working on, and what they eventually released, was a leap ahead of anything else.
Well done for never having understood a thing about Apple or how it operates.
As for " firing on all cylinders", that's a Tim Cook line. I astutely remember him saying that several years back. Are you defending him? As for being a troll, hardly because I've been around Apple products for years since the 80s. I've used Macs for my creative/design work in the last 25 years now. Even if they don't appear to panic, they hide it under the hood and mind you, Apple is not made of stone so it's bound to have cracks. All companies do.
The problem with Apple is with their current narrative on products and if you think Apple is going to be this eternally perfect, think again. It's made up of flesh and bone that can wither away, quit, or retire. About 10 years from now, most of the 'old guard' will be long gone and the company's direction might lose sight of its vision once again. I'm not one of those Apple ass kissers and am realistic enough to see that it won't stay on top forever. Have they been slow as molasses? I think it has been. Take a look at how long it took them to get rid of the butterfly keyboard, as an example, out of consumer complaints and backtrack to what made the keys work well.
There are some Apple products that don't impress me that could've been done much better the FIRST time around. They did screw things up design wise in the last several years with form over function for the most part. 1st gen iPad Pro, for instance, had the Pencil charge by the port when the Surface Pro has a magnetic strip on the side for it. The iPad Pro came out after Tim Cook publicly poo poohed the Surface Pro, green lights that particular 1st gen design, and then about 3 years later, Apple comes out with a new model that has a magnetic Pencil to hold on the side, EXACTLY the way the Surface Pro had the first time around. That's a 180 degree reactive turn by Apple. Why would Cook pooh pooh the Surface Pro and then 3 years later, go the magnetic charge on the side for the Pencil and go with a flat edge hardware design that harkens back to the iPhone 4/5? And look at iPad OS. Why didn't they do this in the first place for the iPad Pro? This tells me that something was wrong under the hood at the company. I watch how it behaves, not how much it made or how its stock is doing.
And now with Jony leaving, the question remains whether Apple will return back to function over form or stay the course, so we'll know by next year or so, give or take, if what Jony said about his disappointment with Cook not caring about the product design process is true. I don't care how much money Apple has in its coffers or how its stocks are doing. All I care about is what's going on underneath the hood in the company.
So in that sense, will they come out with a foldable device? Probably. But by then, they'll likely be late to the game which may or may not work out. Just because it's Apple doesn't mean each of their products will turn out to be gold and instant hits. That halo effect has been worn out. How Apple behaves publicly is all optics and PR. Look at how Apple is on its knees begging the White House to be exempt from the trade war over their Mac Pro situation recently. Or look at how Apple just apparently disbanded the AR team, some time after Tim Cook proclaimed AR as having great potential in one interview.
In the end, Apple is going to have challenges ahead.
Too many troll tropes to address (hats off to Slurpy for doing do), but your post reeks of a person who doesn’t get Apple, which is remarkable for someone who also claims to have been using them since the 1980s. You ask why Apple products like the Pencil (which is leagues better than the MS stylus, and which despite your claim Cook has never addressed as you are confusing it with the “refrigerator-toaster” comment about the Surface as laptop-tablet) took a couple iterations to reach present, rather than spring forth from a clamshell fully formed. Gruber wrote about this almost a decade ago. Read up.
...iterative product development is the name of the game. It’s how we got from the original Pencil/iPhone/Mac/Watch/whatever to the current versions, or iterations.
This is still an entirely pointless concept. No one needs a foldable screen and no one will make one that isn’t compromised in one (or multiple) way or other.
A "folding" phone could be good, if "folding" including the capability to roll up in the the form factor of a pen or such. Like a better version of the comm devices in Gene Roddenberry's Earth Final Conflict series of a few years back.
Earth Final Conflict? I remember it. Excellent show. Don't forget WestWorld, which I haven't seen yet but heard about the 'foldable phone' in the series that's eerily close to reality.
It’s not eerily close to reality. Or remotely close to reality. You’d have to, you know, watch it to know this.
I'm talking about WestWorld in relation to the foldable design from the clips I've seen ( no I don't subscribe to HBO so I haven't seen the show in its entirety ). Will it get to the point that it'll be close to what's seen in WestWorld? Probably within 20-25 years from now.
As for Earth Final Conflict, the idea of the phone stretched out with two bars/handles at each end as a rollable sheet has been in research/development for some time in real life ranging from tablets to phone form factors. I believe Samsung was one of the companies involved in it. It probably won't happen overnight for the mass market but eventually it'll show up. TCL is another example that's been working on a similar thing but using a phone that goes on the wrist as mentioned here: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/2/16/18227585/tcl-first-foldable-bendable-flexible-phone-smartwatch-report
The point I'm making is that Final Earth's phone design in the show was science fiction at the time but today, it's become a possibility and eventually have practical application down the road when it becomes available. It's been years since 1997 since I last saw the show which ended a few years later.
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Mac Mini - how many years languishing?
Mac Pro - how many years languishing?
iPad Mini - how many years languishing?
iPhone SE - dead? Or will it revive and end up on that languishing list?
iMac - the same machine was presented for two consecutive Christmas seasons. That was utterly unprecedented.
iPhone? Which phone is meaningfully better? Haven't you been watching along for the last few years?
No one is saying they haven't released great products. That isn't the case, although there have been hits and misses there too.
Last year, I think it was in an editorial piece on the 2018 refresh by AI, it was pointed out that the iPhone upgrades had been overshadowed by Apple Watch Series 4 in terms of the releases.
And let's not forget that 5W charger that still ships with every new phone. That's how slow they can be.
You shouldn't get ruffled by someone saying that Apple is slow. It's a valid call and there is enough out there to back it up.
As for " firing on all cylinders", that's a Tim Cook line. I astutely remember him saying that several years back. Are you defending him?
Yes, I'm such a Cook sycophant and I look back to his quotes and try to requote him. No, that my conclusion from WWDC. I have no recollection of him saying that. And I don't think Cook needs "defending", as he's done an excellent job by every imaginable metric, if you live in a sane world where your bar isn't absolute perfection.
The problem with Apple is with their current narrative on products and if you think Apple is going to be this eternally perfect, think again.
I never stated or implied that Apple is "perfect" or be "eternally perfect", and never would. So, why the need to even state that as if I did? Another red herring from you, that again, is a cliched Apple troll line. I don't care how long you've used Apple products, you can still be a troll, which is what you are. Most trolls claim they've been using Apple products for decades but now realize the company is doomed, and they've been doing that since as long as I can remember. You're not original or unique in that defense.
The next part of your post is spent shitting on the fact that Apple massively improved one of its products, and making a false comparison, jumbling a bunch of stuff together to pretend to make a point about Cook's hypocrisy. First of all, the Surface pen, back then and even TODAY, doesn't charge magnetically. It takes an AAA battery. The iPad Pro charges the pencil, which is huge and a massive improvement in functionality and usability from the surface pen and it's replaceable AAA batteries. But, you conveniently left that out as it doesn't help your narrative. Also, I don't recall Cook ever shitting on the fact specifically that the surface pen attaches magnetically, instead he criticized the overall compromised nature of the product and the fact that it wasn't a great tablet, nor a great laptop. That fact is still true. The narrative you're pushing, in that it took 3 years for Apple to "copy" the surface because of this one aspect is absolutely ludicrous and laughable. What they did is naturally add inductive charging technology to it's pencil, just like they have with their iPhone, Apple Watch, etc. They leapfrogged Microsoft's implementation, but again, you're too intellectually dishonest to acknowledge that angle.
And look at iPad OS. Why didn't they do this in the first place for the iPad Pro?
Now, shitting on Apple for improving their software, instead of praising them for doing so. Apple's tablet OS was always leaps and bounds better than any other tablet OS, but now it's that much better. This line of "why didn't they implement all these software features in version 1, years ago??" is always incredibly idiotic and not worth even commenting on. It confirms that you have absolutely no clue about anything concerning software development. Why didn't Apple launch the iPhone with iOS13? Clearly this proves the company had massive issues, right? What a completely idiotic line of thinking. Apple's software is always evolving, and in some years it makes bigger leaps on certain devices. They made it clear that they are philosophically and technically now separating iOS and iPadOS, which allowed them to do this. This shows that opposite to what your "Apple is rotten and slow" narrative is, they are always rethinking their philosophies and assumptions in order to put out the best products.
iPadOS adds almost everything people have been asking for and more, and yet, you take that as an opportunity to shit on the company and Cook instead of offering even a shred of praise. I don't think there can be any more evidence that you are indeed a troll that shouldn't be taken seriously. If you were actually a user of these products, your reaction should be joy, not hatred. The iPad Pro is universally praised as a stellar product and leagues beyond any competing product, but you'd rather go back and nitpick it's prior versions instead of assessing the bigger picture.
Your last paragraph is filled with unrelated and exaggerated trash:
So in that sense, will they come out with a foldable device? Probably. But by then, they'll likely be late to the game which may or may not work out.
Just like how it didn't work out and it was "too late" for the iPod, the iPhone, the iPad, the Apple Watch, the Airpods, right? All of those were incredibly "late to the game", with "competing" products being out for YEARS before. Yet, they are all the most successful products in their categories, by far. I honestly can't believe you used that tired line which has been disproven time and time again. You're that thick, eh?
That halo effect has been worn out.
What "halo effect"? When was Apple universally praised? I don't remember such a time. Have you been to an Apple Store lately? I have, in many countries, and they're always completely packed. People still seem to be excited about, and love the company's products. But uh, ok, sure.
Look at how Apple is on its knees begging the White House to be exempt from the trade war over their Mac Pro situation recently.
How is asking for the MacPro to be excluded from Tariffs NOT the sane, logical, rational, and useful thing to do? What fucking company WOULDN'T ask this? Apple has always lobbied the government to different extents, as does EVERY single other company worth a damn, nevermind a trillion dollar company. Especially when there's billions at stake. How does this amount to them "begging" and being "on their hands and knees"? You're insane, deluded, and out of touch with anything approaching sanity or reality. What next, is Apple "desperate" and "in a panic" because they spend money on marketing their products? Yeah, I've seen that line from trolls like you as well.
Or look at how Apple just apparently disbanded the AR team, some time after Tim Cook proclaimed AR as having great potential in one interview.
Amazing how every single one of your statements is either an outright lie, or incredibly misleading. First of all, this is a rumor from a historically unreliable source. Second of all, it is referring to, specifically, AR glasses, not AR itself. Apple is continuing to expand it's AR API and capabilties, so obviously they're not dropping the entire concept. they showed off incredibly impressive demos just a couple months ago. Third, you have no fucking clue what really happened internally. Whether the team was combined with another one, whether they paused to focus on something else, whether they shifted to a different direction, etc. Maybe they realized the technology for a couple components to truly make it a great experience wasn't quite there yet? Doesn't that make sense, or would you want them to compromise the entire future of a product category to appease people like you and release a mediocre first version? You know you'd be the first one to shit on them if they released the product and it wasn't mind-blowing. The fact that you take this incredibly vague rumor and use it as "evidence" of Apple's failings is yet another clear example that you are indeed a troll, with a very specific agenda, and not interested in assessing anything with any degree of objectivity or honesty. Nor any understanding of how product development works, which often isn't in a completely linear manner. The fact that you want to draw conclusions from limited or false information about Apple's internal development for unannounced products is so incredibly childish and petty.
In the end, Apple is going to have challenges ahead.
Wow, what an insightful line. So, Apple will face challenges, just like every single human being, and every single company on the planet? Or, can you make me a list of companies that are guaranteed not to face challenges in the future? Mind-blowing conclusion. You've convinced me. Seriously, another example of your utterly meaningless statements, disconnected from any intellectual thought. It's like you read the "how to troll Apple using the laziest, most discredited, intellectually laziest and vacuous possible". Well done, you aced that one.
I didn't make this response for you, because I know you're too much of a troll to acknowledge a word of it and admit that. I made it for others, just so we can be clear how trash your posts really are, how little you have to say, and how agenda-driven you are with your lies and dishonest, misleading statements and conclusions. You're also a massive hypocrite, and you demand that Apple rush to release new stuff based on the fact that others are releasing broken versions, and at the same time go back with a fine toothed comb to criticize why Apple didn't include X or Y in products from years ago. You want them to rush out products, and at the same time require those products to be eternally perfect from every angle, while implicitly lauding companies who release broken trash. Good stuff! I'm sure Apple would benefit infinitely from your insight. 100% of your arguments are as worthless today as they were 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago, and which Apple has become the most successful company in the world by ignoring.
Indeed. Don’t forget they also said it for netbooks. “Where is Apple! They are slow and lack innovation!” bahaha. Same old nonsense. Yet it’s only Apple that is still here, over 40 years later, building computers. And the most successful public company in human history. Slow and steady wins the race, indeed.
Too many troll tropes to address (hats off to Slurpy for doing do), but your post reeks of a person who doesn’t get Apple, which is remarkable for someone who also claims to have been using them since the 1980s. You ask why Apple products like the Pencil (which is leagues better than the MS stylus, and which despite your claim Cook has never addressed as you are confusing it with the “refrigerator-toaster” comment about the Surface as laptop-tablet) took a couple iterations to reach present, rather than spring forth from a clamshell fully formed. Gruber wrote about this almost a decade ago. Read up.
As for Earth Final Conflict, the idea of the phone stretched out with two bars/handles at each end as a rollable sheet has been in research/development for some time in real life ranging from tablets to phone form factors. I believe Samsung was one of the companies involved in it. It probably won't happen overnight for the mass market but eventually it'll show up. TCL is another example that's been working on a similar thing but using a phone that goes on the wrist as mentioned here: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/2/16/18227585/tcl-first-foldable-bendable-flexible-phone-smartwatch-report
The point I'm making is that Final Earth's phone design in the show was science fiction at the time but today, it's become a possibility and eventually have practical application down the road when it becomes available. It's been years since 1997 since I last saw the show which ended a few years later.