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When I read bad, I expected there to be a flaw. Like too wide to fit when a case is used, an actual issue I've had with some non apple cables.

Instead bad simply meant overpriced, which isn't unusual from Apple. I didn't even see the prices of Apple's cables mentioned, just a claim they are overpriced.

The phone itself comes with a USB-C charging cable. Most people won't need anything else.

nubus said:

currentinterest said:

Don’t believe it. Designed to lower expectations while the product blows people away. As initially a largely a developer tool, a sale at near cost is reasonable. The lower cost versions will make up for it.

You don't blow away people with an anti-social $3000 device requiring a battery belt.

VR can be social.

You can play ping pong with people all over the world.

You can play mini golf with family, both in the same room, or while you are in a different states.

bluefire1 said:

Apple should have known better.

All they did was fix a problem.  Now they are being sued for fixing it.

cpsro said:

I can do without paying $15K extra for a Fully Self Driving vehicle that isn't and really never will be.

FSD Beta drove 1500 miles for me last week, I drove 17 miles. Safest cars on the planet.

Draco said:

robin huber said:

No good deed goes unpunished. The “throttling” was not nefarious, but a good faith effort to protect consumers from overheating phones. In other words what tort attorneys call a business opportunity. 

The throttling wasn't done to prevent overheating. It was done to prevent "unexpected shutdown" which is a case where the phone's battery display shows a relatively high state-of-charge like 20-30%, yet the phone shuts off immediately after a heavy load is applied such as CPU, GPU, camera, etc. 

Users should have been given the ability to opt into this behavior, but Apple, always trying to keep things simple, made the behavior automatic for all users. 

Why would anyone opt out of ensuring their phone doesn't unexpectedly turn off. Apple wrote software to improve reliability and are being fined for it. It's an absurd cash grab by the attorneys.

sbdude said:

Tesla can get away with it because no other manufacturer has the rabid (and often blind) fan base that Tesla does. One need only look at manufacturing defects, reliability and other objective measures as they relate to "satisfaction" ratings to determine that Tesla drivers often overlook the shortcomings simply because of their adulation for the brand. CarPlay is but one of the features you won't find in a Tesla compared to other brands: satellite radio, branded (premium) sound systems, a speedometer in front of the steering wheel, an external/internal refresh every 7 years or so.

I went from Mercedes E Class with upgraded audio to Tesla Model 3 Performance. The Tesla Model 3 sound system absolutely blows away what I had in the Mercedes. Everyone who rides in my car is amazed at how good the sound system is.

Maybe take the time to understand why Tesla absolutely blows away customer satisfaction surveys instead of assuming everyone who owns one is wrong.

Going from the Mercedes to the Tesla was like going from a flip phone to an iPhone.

We replaced our second Mercedes within 2 weeks because we both only wanted to drive the Tesla.

And the longer we own them, the better they get though over the air software updates, just like our phones and computers.

DAalseth said:

Not being snarky, ok maybe a little, but what does one DO with one of these. I keep thinking of 3DTV, great tech that required funny glasses, but the cost and slow adoption meant that there was little content and it collapsed in the marketplace. What’s out there that would get someone interested in one of these? Gaming? They talk of professional uses, but other than a FEW architects, and maybe someone who designs cara/airplanes/tractors I don’t see a huge amount of use. What’s worth Meta pouring billions into this idea?

Many VR games great exercise. Some are built specifically to exercise, some give you exercise as a side effect. Workouts comparable to going to the gym, dripping with sweat when you're done. But a lot more fun than going to the gym.

Standing up and moving your body as the controller is far more natural than using a controller in a traditional gaming system.

Multiplayer games give you the feeling that you're in the same room with the other person even if you're in different states of countries. The ping pong game Eleven feels like you're playing ping pong with someone in the same room, using all of the same movements as you would at a real ping ping table.

A lot of what Meta is building brings that same sense of being in the same place to business meetings, far mere immersive than things like Zoom. Including shared white boards to collaborate is if you're in the same room.

A big thing with Quest Pro is to improve the immersion by improving the avatars, including eye/face tracking to bring the actual expressions to the avatars. Part of what they demoed for the future is making the avatars look just like the person.

Another big thing with Quest Pro is mixed reality, so the real world and can VR blend together.

I have spent thousands of hours playing VR over the last 4 1/2 years. Quest 2 is my favorite one to play because of the lack of cables. 

Apple needs to get their VR out soon. They are spending way, way too much time getting a product out. As Steve Jobs said, "real artists ship." I'm really surprised they are taking so long since fitness is such a big push in their ecosystem.

retrogusto said:

To offer support at this point, you’d need to be reasonably confident that 1) a lot of people will buy the $3500 AVP and use it a lot, 2) a decent percentage of those people will want to use your app with it, 3) the app experience would be far superior to what you can offer through a browser, and 4) all of these things will combine to justify the expense of development and ongoing support. It’s a tall order, especially when you can always wait a bit and see how things go. 

it pretty trivial to let the iPad app run on Vision Pro. YouTube, Spotify, Netflix don't allow their iPad apps to be used on the Mac either. 

Buried in the Vision Pro streaming announcements. IMAX app. I can't find anything that says what that is.

They always change it just enough that you have to buy a new case. 

foregoneconclusion said:

Two stars is way too negative relative to a product that the author admits is made of good materials, fits all the necessary parts of the AVP without disassembly, allows relatively quick access when AVP needs to be used and provides good protection. The claim that it's too large is also contradicted by statements like "the molded interior leaves no wiggle room" (why would you need wiggle room if it's too large) and "fits almost everything you need except a keyboard" (which is a complaint that it's too small). Plus, comparing it to a 10 liter backpack is kind of admitting that it isn't really too large. It would fit in standard 14/15 liter packs. No brainer that it would fit in the gigantic carry-ons that people lug onto airplanes as well. 

The case needs to be small enough you can put the case in your backpack along with your MacBook Pro, chargers, headphones, etc. Vision Pro itself is small enough that the case could be much smaller than it is.