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Originally Posted by Thefinaleofseem View Post

Oh wow. I think Steve Jobs just found his next unwitting organ donor.

Can not agree more, if what he says is true about feature in the product, you can pretty much be assure Jobs will be removing a few of this guys vital organs.

On the other hand it could be a calculated release of information to counter all the hype coming out of CES since no one else was showing off video calls on their products.

If this guy comes out with his organs it was calculated, if France Telecom all of sudden does not have the product Jobs cut him off.
post #42 of 101
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Maybe the french guy didn't understand the questions and just answered "oui" to everything

I don't see where is the interest of giving a false translation. That is clear, he perfectly understand all.
post #43 of 101
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Oh wow. I think Steve Jobs just found his next unwitting organ donor.

LOL! Seriouly though, what are the consequences if you knowingly violate an NDA?
post #44 of 101
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Maybe the french guy didn't understand the questions and just answered "oui" to everything

That would make sense if the interviewer was english speaking but apparently he is french as well. But perhaps this Richard guy is totally clueless regardless:


Jean Pierre Elkabbach: "So is the Apple tablet coming to Orange Mr. Richard?"

Stéphane Richard: "Oui!"

Jean Pierre Elkabbach: "Is the sky blue Mr. Richard?"

Stéphane Richard: "Oui!"

Jean Pierre Elkabbach: "Do you have a big ugly nose Mr. Richard?"

Stéphane Richard: "Oui!"

post #45 of 101
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

It is a portable computing platform, people will judge its value based on what else can solve their problems for them. In otherwords their is no way for Apple to not compete with tablets because that is what people will judge its utility against.

I am not talking about how people judge it. I am talking about how Apple markets it.

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You are confusing operating systems with utility. Past tablets gave failed more due to the OS than anything else. Apple may very well overcome the OS / user interface issues, but I still maintain that the tablet will be judged against laptops be potential purchasers. In many cases the question will be which is easier to surf the web and get my E-Mail with.

No I am not confusing anything. In fact you proved my point. Other tablets have been marketed as laptops.

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Or it could be marketed as both. My point remains that it doesn't matter, potetial buyers will judge it against both.

Again not really discussing what the consumer thinks. The important piece we are missing is how Apple is going to advertise it. For this to sell to the consumer market, Apple needs to convince people that this is something new. Somethin you will want in your Apple ecosystem.

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Everything Apple does is a device replacement. Beyound that what can Apple add to a low cost platform to make it the "UN computer". Just like the un-cola of a few years ago it was still a softdrink. In the end that is what the tablet will amount to, it is just another computer but in this case flat.

When I said Apple ecosystem I am not talking about replacements for devices outside Apple. What I am talking about is how Apple will sell a tablet and how they will convince the consumer that it is not a replacement for anothr Apple product, but a product you will want in addition to a laptop, iPod Touch, iMac, Apple TV, etc.
post #46 of 101
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When I said Apple ecosystem I am not talking about replacements for devices outside Apple. What I am talking about is how Apple will sell a tablet and how they will convince the consumer that it is not a replacement for anothr Apple product, but a product you will want in addition to a laptop, iPod Touch, iMac, Apple TV, etc.

This question was answered already in other posts here and probably other forums. This new device will primarily fit a need for those who do not necessarily need a laptop. But many people own both a full laptop and a "netbook". So as long as the device really pushes the envelope and fills a need I do not see Apple not being able to sell a lot of these.
post #47 of 101
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Originally Posted by Olternaut View Post

That would make sense if the interviewer was english speaking but apparently he is french as well. But perhaps this Richard guy is totally clueless regardless:


Jean Pierre Elkabbach: "So is the Apple tablet coming to Orange Mr. Richard?"

Stéphane Richard: "Oui!"

Jean Pierre Elkabbach: "Is the sky blue Mr. Richard?"

Stéphane Richard: "Oui!"

Jean Pierre Elkabbach: "Do you have a big ugly nose Mr. Richard?"

Stéphane Richard: "Oui!"


LOL. I don't know how English/American people felt this interview as, but for French people it's perfectly clear, the two men are French and there is absolutly no understanding confusion in all the interview.
post #48 of 101
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The Air is not a flop by the way. I don't why people imagine it is.

... Oh how about every indication seen in the last couple of years. Apple should be embarrassed by AIR. At least in our local store very little space is dedicated to AIR and I don't think it has ever sold well online.

AIR is infact a good example of what you get when you over price poor performance and limited capability. In any event if younthink AIR is a good value and is selling well then I can see where you might think this tablet at $1200 might make sense. ...

This is all fine, but you aren't backing this up with any facts or really making any sense.

The original poster said that the Air wasn't a flop (it isn't), and said nothing about what "they thought" was a good value proposition. Obviously, you don't think it's a good value. Equally obviously, other people have various differing opinions on that. All that is completely separate from the objective fact of whether the thing is or is not "a flop," in the commercial sense.

The MacBook Air is demonstrably not a "flop" in any way shape or form. if it didn't sell well, it would be discontinued and all actual sales reports I've heard of indicates it sells well. There are no published reports that I am aware of that indicate it *doesn't* sell well or *hasn't been well received by those that bought it. There are only internet criticisms like yours, by people who don't own it and wouldn't own it in the first place anyway.

You are basing your whole post on your own admitted bias against the thing, and the fact that your local store only devotes a small space to the product.

This is clearly just your opinion, and not based on any actual facts at all.
post #49 of 101
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Originally Posted by Olternaut View Post

LOL! Seriouly though, what are the consequences if you knowingly violate an NDA?

you can get sued for eleventy billion dollars or whatever they put into the contract

in this case it may really be a pound of flesh. and you can be off by a bit and take some blood as well
post #50 of 101
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Especially whe Apple gas had a history of pricing hardware way to high bringing on dramatic failures (Cube for one).

maybe the cube was ahead of its time, maybe it just did not seem useful to possible buyers, but i do NOT think it flopped because it was much more expensive than alternative products. what alternatives to the cube were available? people just did not need it.


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The last thing Apple needs is another failure that is a direct result of prices being substantially higher than a reasonable customer is willing to pay.

pretty negative perspective, you make it sound like apple are about to go down the drain and there is no hope. last time we looked apple was raking in the money and doing better than everybody else, even in this recession. why are you thinking about the "The last thing Apple needs..."...?


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Where did you ever get that idea. Frankly I don't know of a company that works harder to keep in the good graces of the community.

i said they are not interested in YOUR reputation, why are you concerned for THEIR reputation. i care about the reputation of those close to me, not about the reputation of a huge and rich corporation.

and if your theories and fears turned out to be true... so be it, companies fold all the time, new companies appear all the time.
post #51 of 101
Service providers are charging $60.00 minus tax for 5 gigabyte data cap in regards to netbook/tablet monthly plans. I do not find the data cap appealing, I could run through that in less than a day.
post #52 of 101
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

That is way to high. I'd suggest a starting price of $500 for the base model. No matter how you look at it this is nothing more than a fat iPod Touch. It will still be using an ARM CPU, flash memory and other low cost parts. I'd be surprised if the logic board was all that much bigger.

Oh I truely doubt people would pay $1200 for an ARM based anything. Especially considering an Arrandale laptop will be close to that price. It would have to floss between your legs everyday to jusify that price.

I actually think you are right there. Just as long as I can turn it off when I want to.


Oh how about every indication seen in the last couple of years. Apple should be embarrassed by AIR. At least in our local store very little space is dedicated to AIR and I don't think it has ever sold well online.

AIR is infact a good example of what you get when you over price poor performance and limited capability. In any event if younthink AIR is a good value and is selling well then I can see where you might think this tablet at $1200 might make sense. The reality is a different story though, all we are getting is a 32 bit CPU or two, limited address space, limited memory an embedded GPU and other shortcomings. Still you think people will pay $1200 for that.

Some will in the same sense they did with AIR. That is the week minded will flock to the stores to snap them up on release day, three months later dead silence in the stores.

In a way I wish that Apple did have a secret sauce to make for a tasty tablet. I'm affraid however that we will get some gimmicks on top of an iPod Touch.


Dave

You are imagining that people give a shit about what the specs of the machine are. That's not what this is all about. You need to get your head around that simple truth. Form-factor, novel functionality and thriving ecosystem are what this is all about.
post #53 of 101
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Originally Posted by ApplePi View Post

Well they better have a contract free version for well under $1000 otherwise there are a lot of people who won't be buying.

Don't expect it to be well under $1000. If it does do video calls that will end up being a minor feature. Though talked about a lot by Steve on stage, it will end up being used regularly by very few. Expect subsidized versions to be around $799, and non-sub versions to run around $1,100.
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post #54 of 101
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Don't expect it to be well under $1000. If it does do video calls that will end up being a minor feature. Though talked about a lot by Steve on stage, it will end up being used regularly by very few.

$599.

No more than $699.
post #55 of 101
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

$599.

No more than $699.

iPhone costs around $700.

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People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

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post #56 of 101
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

It is a portable computing platform, people will judge its value based on what else can solve their problems for them. In otherwords their is no way for Apple to not compete with tablets because that is what people will judge its utility against.

People will always be critical about in with regards they way Apple markets it. If they market it as a replacement portable computer it will be judged against laptops. And I very much suspect they will do that very thing.
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post #57 of 101
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

$599.

No more than $699.

Over 2000 posts and you still have yet to learn. Apple pitch themselves as a premium brand. They'll want this thing to be priced in such a way that people feel lucky to own one. Just like the first iPhone was overpriced, as will this be. Though it will be cutting edge technology, so people will get them. You might not get one, but others will gladly take the one you were going to.
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post #58 of 101
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Apple should be embarrassed by AIR. At least in our local store very little space is dedicated to AIR and I don't think it has ever sold well online.

you seem to think that if a new device from apple is not ubiquitous, it is a flop and they should be embarrassed? can't you consider that they design and sell devices for a variety of reasons? their own prestige ('we released the thinnest laptop ever' etc), and as a deluxe version for the richest customers. in my line of work (music & video) i encounter many macbookpro users; those amongst them who have the most need to display affluence and success, all have the Air, it sets them above the rest of us mbp or powerbook users, just as many of us see the mbp as a status symbol which sets up above the windows laptop users.

your argument is similar to saying that Ford should be ashamed of their aston martin cars, they only devote very little space to them in their showrooms and they don't sell well. i believe they sell a few hundred every year - and are well pleased by this. no attempt sell more is made, it's about prestige.

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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

AIR is infact a good example of what you get when you over price poor performance and limited capability. In any event if younthink AIR is a good value and is selling well then I can see where you might think this tablet at $1200 might make sense. The reality is a different story though, all we are getting is a 32 bit CPU or two, limited address space, limited memory an embedded GPU and other shortcomings. Still you think people will pay $1200 for that.

as another poster noted, most buyers are not interested in specs, they want something cool that works.
post #59 of 101
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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01 View Post

iPhone costs around $700.

Sucker >
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post #60 of 101
just in case this has not been posted here: from another site:

paidContent:UK received word from Orange clarifying that Richard was simply acknowledging the speculation regarding a tablet and the company's wish to support it if it does exist.

These responses in no way reflect Orange's confirmation of the existence of the rumoured device. The spokesperson was merely confirming that he is aware of the speculation surrounding a launch and that Orange would be delighted to have such a product were it ever to be available.
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Sucker >


Fluthered? "From EUR 40 per month".
No "From EUR 40 per month". Comprendo?

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post #62 of 101
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

you can get sued for eleventy billion dollars or whatever they put into the contract

in this case it may really be a pound of flesh. and you can be off by a bit and take some blood as well

There have been a lot of leaks lately and not all of them can be from Apple. So why haven't we all heard about people being sued?
post #63 of 101
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Fluthered? "From EUR 40 per month".
No "From EUR 40 per month". Comprendo?

P.S. Meant no harm.

Yeah, that's if you want a contract. If you don't your prices are 100 more.
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post #64 of 101
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just in case this has not been posted here: from another site:

paidContent:UK received word from Orange clarifying that Richard was simply acknowledging the speculation regarding a tablet and the company's wish to support it if it does exist.

These responses in no way reflect Orange's confirmation of the existence of the rumoured device. The spokesperson was merely confirming that he is aware of the speculation surrounding a launch and that Orange would be delighted to have such a product were it ever to be available.

AI's reporting isn't accurate on this one. He says stuff about video calls and everything. He absolutely admits the tablet exists. Full context. He's not merely nodding or agreeing, he says stuff.
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post #65 of 101
Smile while acknowledging tablet rumors/existence



Smile while talking about CEO's hard life



Smile while talking about competition



Smile while talking about Nexus One

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post #66 of 101
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There have been a lot of leaks lately and not all of them can be from Apple. So why haven't we all heard about people being sued?

Why are leaks illegal? NDA and all that yeah? Apple would never bring the Orange VP to court. Are you crazy.
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post #67 of 101
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Yeah, that's if you want a contract. If you don't your prices are 100 more.

Yup. Tablet should not be less expensive.

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post #68 of 101
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AI's reporting isn't accurate on this one. He says stuff about video calls and everything. He absolutely admits the tablet exists. Full context. He's not merely nodding or agreeing, he says stuff.

yes, isn't it nice to see his press dept practicing damage control

BTW: here is the source :
http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419...apples-tablet/
post #69 of 101
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

Now you might not think this applies to Apple but you would be wrong. If you are a stock holder or another interested party you have to be concerned too. Especially whe Apple gas had a history of pricing hardware way to high bringing on dramatic failures (Cube for one). The last thing Apple needs is another failure that is a direct result of prices being substantially higher than a reasonable customer is willing to pay.

Dace

I think we need look no further than the iPhone to see that people are willing to pay what I consider insane amounts of money for the latest gadget. An iPhone on AT&T for 2 years ends up costing roughly $2400. Millions of people seem to think that's a perfectly reasonable price to pay.

So if the tablet, which will offer a larger display, more functionality and perhaps a choice of carrier, costs $500 more, it'll sell like hotcakes.
post #70 of 101
Well...
Upon knowing just a very little bit how exactly french marketing people and bosses pull their faces and upon thinking all that over again, I'd say
  1. Apple is preparing the Event; the Event concerns France Telecom,
  2. M. Richard is perfectly aware of what it's gonna be like,
  3. M. Richard is under NDA and watches Apple's interests,
  4. Journalist sounded a good bunch of nonsense.

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post #71 of 101
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Originally Posted by Thefinaleofseem View Post

Oh wow. I think Steve Jobs just found his next unwitting organ donor.

LMAO!

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post #72 of 101
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Originally Posted by vinney57 View Post

You are imagining that people give a shit about what the specs of the machine are. That's not what this is all about. You need to get your head around that simple truth. Form-factor, novel functionality and thriving ecosystem are what this is all about.

I agree. Most people don't care if it runs on an ARM or a LEG. They will care about it doing what they want, wherever and whenever, or at least providing the best solution to a nagging problem that no one else has adequately addressed.

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post #73 of 101
I think this is likely a misunderstanding. I dont see what this guy could know about a tablet. Publishers, sure, but I doubt even theyve seen it. At most this guy knows someone who claims it exists, and I doubt that person works at Apple.
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post #74 of 101
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I think this is likely a misunderstanding. I dont see what this guy could know about a tablet. Publishers, sure, but I doubt even theyve seen it. At most this guy knows someone who claims it exists, and I doubt that person works at Apple.

I agree. Dots that may not be connected are being connected. Everyone would love to be right!

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post #75 of 101
Another gizmo that normally, I would be happy to get, but it will be binding with contracts to AT&T. I am T-Mobile and do not plan on switching.

I do not care about contracts when I buy computer of any form. This is not a phone business.

If this goes this way I will really consider hacking some netbook and putting OS X on it.

I hope not... not to be forced to this.
post #76 of 101
I think an accurate statement would be: If a non-subsidized version costs more than $600, Apple will lose about 30% of initial sales. Conservatively.
post #77 of 101
Sounds like this guy only opens his mouth to change feet.
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post #78 of 101
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Stateside, recent rumors have suggested that Apple could make its anticipated touchscreen tablet compatible with the Verizon network. It has been speculated that Apple could offer subsidized and non-subsidized options for customers.

How come at every mention of "subsidized hardware" we all think immediately of
locked-in carrier contracts? Can we not imagine a new model in which Apple subsidizes
their own hardware with ad revenue? Didn't they just buy a company and get into that
business?

US$999 for the model without ads, and US$699 for the model with ads? If you get
sick of the ads you can upgrade with a software update and pay the difference.

They could probably give it away free, pay a carrier on the side, and still make a
fortune if enough eyeballs would regularly see advertiser content . . .

Thoughts?
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post #79 of 101
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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01 View Post

Well...
Upon knowing just a very little bit how exactly french marketing people and bosses pull their faces and upon thinking all that over again, I'd say
  1. Apple is preparing the Event; the Event concerns France Telecom,
  2. M. Richard is perfectly aware of what it's gonna be like,
  3. M. Richard is under NDA and watches Apple's interests,
  4. Journalist sounded a good bunch of nonsense.

I think you don't realize : Richard is sort of the second president of France Télécom, alias Orange, the operator that Apple has chosen (like AT&T for the USA) to get the exclusivity on the iPhone, and this in all over Europe (because Orange first introduced the iPhone in many countries) . So if you think about it, Richard is one of the persons who can detain precious infos directly right from Apple, and even if Apple chosen them again to sell the tablet, as it seems to be the case
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

The problem is no matter how you look at this tablet it will be competeing with $500 & $600 laptops. People are not going to see much value in a device with no keyboard and a display that doesn't stay verticle for vastly more than $1000.

If Apple releases a tablet where people wish it had a keyboard - they are in big trouble.

Instead, I think they are hoping we see the keyboard as a hindrance.

ie: "people will not see much value in a device which is encumbered by a keyboard, and will pay a little extra for a slate"

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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01 View Post

I can't speak for AT&T. Tablet without contract will be expensive. 1G looks reasonable estimation. But it seems to be gonna sell subsidized.

As for plans, Orange's data plan for iPhone costs now EUR 25 per month, unlimited tethering option costs 30 EUR/month.
Whence, 1000 - 12 * 30(40) ~ 600(500).

At most, we can assume HALF of the monthly fee can be used to pay off the device.
In the US, we know the current iPhone contract ($70/mth?) takes off just $400 (edited with accurate subsidy)
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