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post #41 of 202
8/7/10 at 6:41pm
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post

This is the most plausible assessment I've read on this topic.

It is likely that Papermaster did not get along with one specific person: Steve Jobs. The Devices division was doing great before Papermaster showed up, so he can't claim all the credit. It's likely that Steve got tired of Papermaster and figured that someone else that he liked better could handle the position. I'm guessing that Papermaster reacted to the antenna issue in a way that really rankled Jobs. Maybe Papermaster suggested that they recall all devices. Or maybe he said to ignore the entire thing. We'll probably never know the exact reason, but it is clear that Apple did not want this guy in the limelight.

The fact that an ex-IBMer didn't fit in at Apple isn't surprising at all. The corporate cultures are the diametrically opposed. Even IBM's action in filing a lawsuit to prevent Papermaster from working at Apple is a prime example of how different the company cultures are.


Nope.


one hell of a coincidence that this guy was involved with antennae, so many people had so little problem with the antenae that jobs gave a show about it, and then this guy left. amazing.
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post #42 of 202
8/7/10 at 6:42pm
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Originally Posted by FreeRange View Post

Hey clueless "screamingfist" - before you make a post that really really makes you look so stupid you should check the facts. First, only a handful of people complained. In fact, the OVERWHELMING majority of iPhone4 users say that they get much better reception and fewer dropped calls. The solution is actually quite simple - don't touch an area that is 1/16th of an inch in the lower left corner of the phone. 1/16th!!!!! How hard is that? This is something that was totally blown out of proportion by the media frenzy. As for Apple doing testing, I suggest you check out Apple's website where they show off their $100 million + testing facility. Now grow up, and go troll somewhere else.

hey dummy,
so few complained that Jobs had to give a pep talk regarding the matter?
wise up.
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post #43 of 202
8/7/10 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by screamingfist View Post

one hell of a coincidence that [HP’s CEO was just let go, and separately] so many people had [overblown the] problem with the antenae that jobs gave a show about it [to difuse the hysteria, not really] amazing.

There, fixed that for you.
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post #44 of 202
8/7/10 at 6:48pm
oxygenhose - your comments reflect exactly why America lost so much respect internationally during the Bush years. It is NOT America's responsibility to protect any other country from themselves. America was acting purely out of self-interest instead of focussing on what is important to its own people, like building an efficient and effective national telecommunications network. It is the UN's job to sort out international issues. America is now paying the price for meddling in other people's concerns with crappy health and telecommunications systems and crippling debt.
Wake up, and support really important, innovative companies like Apple and stop trying to lay the blame on them rather than lazy, conservative corporations like AT&T. The future of America lies in companies like Apple, not Microsoft and AT&T. Companies like Apple are helping to restore the international respect and admiration for your country after Bush, Palin and the Republicans trashed it.
End of Sunday sermon!!
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post #45 of 202
8/7/10 at 6:51pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

There, fixed that for you.

you mean like a Apple Bumper fixed the non-problem?
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post #46 of 202
8/7/10 at 6:51pm
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Originally Posted by 1337_5L4Xx0R View Post

...Are they now acknowledging there is a problem with the antenna?

It seems that all of Apple's actions following the antenna outcry were consistent with their knowledge of a true hardware issue: 1. Admitting to faulty signal-strength indication algorithm as a sidetracking maneuver; 2. Calling in an emergency press-conference; 3. Appeasing customers with freebies; 4. Commencing a denigration campaign against their competitors; 5. Firing the person in charge of the antenna design.

I'd use Occam's razor.
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post #47 of 202
8/7/10 at 6:58pm
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Originally Posted by screamingfist View Post

you mean like a Apple Bumper fixed the non-problem?

The problem they fixed by holding a press conference which detailed the advantages of the iPhone 4s antenna, their testing facility and on staff experts, giving away cases, reiterating that you had 30 days to return the device, and showing that death grip attenuation was common to cellphones was to fix the media frenzy and public image issues, not to fix the iPhone 4 itself.
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post #48 of 202
8/7/10 at 7:00pm
I kind of wonder if behind the scenes if SJ had questions himself about the antenna, but this guy convinced him otherwise.

However, in the long run though I wonder how much of the antenna design was designed aesthically by Jonny Ives vs. Papermaster.
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post #49 of 202
8/7/10 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by pauldfullerton View Post

oxygenhose - your comments reflect exactly why America lost so much respect internationally during the Bush years. It is NOT America's responsibility to protect any other country from themselves. America was acting purely out of self-interest instead of focussing on what is important to its own people, like building an efficient and effective national telecommunications network. It is the UN's job to sort out international issues. America is now paying the price for meddling in other people's concerns with crappy health and telecommunications systems and crippling debt.
Wake up, and support really important, innovative companies like Apple and stop trying to lay the blame on them rather than lazy, conservative corporations like AT&T. The future of America lies in companies like Apple, not Microsoft and AT&T. Companies like Apple are helping to restore the international respect and admiration for your country after Bush, Palin and the Republicans trashed it.
End of Sunday sermon!!

don't let my jibes at apple fool you, i support them. i am typing this on a imac, i have a macbook pro 17" and a Mac Pro at the office. a shuffle and a touch. a new apple battery charger.
i do not however have an iphone. i use an android device. i love os x but i don't like the way apple is handling the iphone, att, and the app store.
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post #50 of 202
8/7/10 at 7:09pm
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Originally Posted by FreeRange View Post

I suggest you check out Apple's website where they show off their $100 million + testing facility. Now grow up, and go troll somewhere else.

Talk about embarrassing. Apple claims to have the best antenna testing labs in the world. And they use it to release a phone with the biggest reception flaw in the wild. If the lab really is the best in the world; it means it is staffed by idiots.

Somebody has to take the fall. It certainly wont be Steve; after all he's a God isnt he? (No; thats right apple fired him once before)
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post #51 of 202
8/7/10 at 7:22pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

The problem they fixed by holding a press conference which detailed the advantages of the iPhone 4s antenna, their testing facility and on staff experts, giving away cases, reiterating that you had 30 days to return the device, and showing that death grip attenuation was common to cellphones was to fix the media frenzy and public image issues, not to fix the iPhone 4 itself.

That post is proof that Jobs distortion field is stronger than common sense for those foolish enough to believe every word he says. Barnum would be proud.

Apple would never hold an emergency press conference to squelch the media; unless what the media was reporting was impossible to dispute. They would not spend millions distributing a rubber band fix if one was not required.
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post #52 of 202
8/7/10 at 7:25pm
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Originally Posted by str1f3 View Post

I'm willing to bet he was fired since he was apparently heading the development of the iPhone antenna.

He only started on 2009, the antenna must already in the making (product test need at least 3 month to 6 month, plus MFG launch to market and design phase), not enough time... Need at least 18-20 month to be responsible. Well, interesting for everybody to just easily find the link.. I don't believe it...
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post #53 of 202
8/7/10 at 7:26pm
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Originally Posted by davestall View Post

That post is proof that Jobs distortion field is stronger than common sense for those foolish enough to believe every word he says. Barnum would be proud.

Apple would never hold an emergency press conference to squelch the media; unless what the media was reporting was impossible to dispute. They would not spend millions distributing a rubber band fix if one was not required.

You obviously have no marketing or business sense if you dont think that a media fueled frenzy can affect sales regardless of validity of the issue. Its happened before and it will happen again. the nature of most people is to act first, think later and media fuels and feeds off of this fact to make a dime.
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post #54 of 202
8/7/10 at 7:29pm
Why would someone whose expertise is in chip design have anything to do with the antena design?

And is it time to get worried now that all the chip design experts, PA semi talent and now Papermaster, have departed?
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post #55 of 202
8/7/10 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by screamingfist View Post

one hell of a coincidence that this guy was involved with antennae, so many people had so little problem with the antenae that jobs gave a show about it, and then this guy left. amazing.

No, very very few people had problems with the antenna. As a matter of fact, it's a handful of mostly American users. It was more of a media/PR issue than anything else.

If the antenna design was truly faulty, it would be reflected in real numbers: phone returns. The iPhone 4 does not have a significantly higher return rate than other smartphones.

Again, Papermaster was a senior engineering VP for all mobile devices, not just the iPhone. He wasn't the engineer who designed the antenna. People make mistakes. Gray Powell made one and he's still at Apple. It is far more likely that Jobs and Papermaster didn't get along. The antenna issue might have been the final straw for Papermaster (or perhaps how he reacted internally to other staffers), but I doubt it was the main reason for his departure.

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Originally Posted by backtomac View Post

Why would someone whose expertise is in chip design have anything to do with the antena design?

And is it time to get worried now that all the chip design experts, PA semi talent and now Papermaster, have departed?

Engineering managers spend a lot of time in budget meetings. Here in Silicon Valley, the HR folks consider your career as an engineer over when you join management because your job is managing people and budgets, not engineering issues. Papermaster *was* an engineer, but he's management.

As for departed engineering talent, Apple probably assumes that there will be some talent drain. People who like working at startups don't always like working at Fortune 500 companies.
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post #56 of 202
8/7/10 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by backtomac View Post

Why would someone whose expertise is in chip design have anything to do with the antena design?

And is it time to get worried now that all the chip design experts, PA semi talent and now Papermaster, have departed?

Excellent points.
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post #57 of 202
8/7/10 at 7:35pm
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Originally Posted by screamingfist View Post

you mean like a Apple Bumper fixed the non-problem?

You are a mimicking a clueless mindless media consumer that can't think an original thought unless someone puts it in your head for you. If that is Jesus Diaz under a different moniker - I liked the shots of you out East when you supposed ran away to Spain. But you are still playing echo to a dying meme that was not borne out by the larger body of evidence, You have gone beyond trenchantly amusing (like a troll scratching his privates) to boringly repetitive and wrong to the point of embarrassingly bad. That is, you are making the trolls look intelligent and insightful.
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post #58 of 202
8/7/10 at 7:36pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

You obviously have no marketing or business sense if you dont think that a media fueled frenzy can affect sales regardless of validity of the issue. Its happened before and it will happen again. the nature of most people is to act first, think later and media fuels and feeds off of this fact to make a dime.

I did not say that media cant influence people. I said that Apple could not dispute what the media was saying. If there were really no problem; it would have been very easy to dispute. In fact if there were no problem; there wouldn't have been the grass roots ground swell from users to report the problem.

Apple made a huge mistake in the phone design, they then made multiple mistakes addressing it. They literally are shipping free band-aids to "fix it". I suspect a lot more than one person will be fired. This guy has name recognition; the engineers and product managers nobody will ever hear about.
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post #59 of 202
8/7/10 at 7:40pm
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Originally Posted by screamingfist View Post

don't let my jibes at apple fool you, i support them. i am typing this on a imac, i have a macbook pro 17" and a Mac Pro at the office. a shuffle and a touch. a new apple battery charger.
i do not however have an iphone. i use an android device. i love os x but i don't like the way apple is handling the iphone, att, and the app store.

Owning anything pretty much is not license to intelligence nor gives you any inherent right to continuously sputter erroneous crap incessantly. We GET that you are bitter and angry about the iPhone and fearful of buying something that in any way might be called flawed. We also get that you purposefully ignoring all other evidence in order to support your own pet ideas. Please just stop repeating yourself.
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post #60 of 202
8/7/10 at 7:42pm
Short list of candidates to replace Mark Papermaster:

James Rockmaster
Fred Scissormaster
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post #61 of 202
8/7/10 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by backtomac View Post

Why would someone whose expertise is in chip design have anything to do with the antena design?

And is it time to get worried now that all the chip design experts, PA semi talent and now Papermaster, have departed?

The chip engineers that were and are at Apple that predate the PASemi acquisition, and the fact that Apple was on record as being primarily interested in the IP, not the staff. The timing of the PASemi staff exit is in line with a transitional strategy for the IP to APple and a reasonable assurance that Apple has the insider data they need to use it. Anyone with experience in corporate acquisitions recognizes this timetable. As far as Papermaster is concerned - I wondered if his background at IBM would be a problem at Apple - that is a HUGE cultural shift to make. Chances are Apple had some specifics they were after with Papermaster and as things worked neither he nor they were comfortable with the results. The whole antenna blow-up was well outside timing and control of Papermaster's role. But then media hacks want controversy not dull boring reality - so yeah it must have been the "Antennagate Fiasco" that drove Papermaster out of One Infinity Loop into the cold California sun.
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post #62 of 202
8/7/10 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by davestall View Post

Apple made a huge mistake in the phone design, they then made multiple mistakes addressing it. They literally are shipping free band-aids to "fix it". I suspect a lot more than one person will be fired. This guy has name recognition; the engineers and product managers nobody will ever hear about.

And yet that HUGE MISTAKE has made the best iPhone ever and the best smartphone ever which has made it smaller and have the best low-signal usage of any phone Ive seen tested. There are more than a few reviewers stating they are getting signal in places where they previously couldnt make or hold a call. Ill take those kinds of mistakes every day of the week.

Do you really think next years iPhone will be cased in plastic because or do you think they will continue with the antenna as the frame? Im betting on the latter.

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Short list of candidates to replace Mark Papermaster:

James Rockmaster
Fred Scissormaster

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post #63 of 202
8/7/10 at 7:56pm
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I did not say that media cant influence people. I said that Apple could not dispute what the media was saying. If there were really no problem; it would have been very easy to dispute. In fact if there were no problem; there wouldn't have been the grass roots ground swell from users to report the problem.

Apple made a huge mistake in the phone design, they then made multiple mistakes addressing it. They literally are shipping free band-aids to "fix it". I suspect a lot more than one person will be fired. This guy has name recognition; the engineers and product managers nobody will ever hear about.

is there no massive return of iPhones for not working properly, no recall and only the offer of "a free case if you think you need it" program? Why isn't the stock tanking, why aren't the other cellphone makers continuing their attack of Apple on this? Why are others reporting very little to none of the issue outside the US? IF this is a real issue, Apple would not have gotten away with simply dismissing the issues they way they did and offering a placatory case to those insistent on having one. Why do thousands of consumers daily continue to purchase them? There isn't enough RDF to cover all this by a long shot.
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post #64 of 202
8/7/10 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by LewysBlackmore View Post

Owning anything pretty much is not license to intelligence nor gives you any inherent right to continuously sputter erroneous crap incessantly. We GET that you are bitter and angry about the iPhone and fearful of buying something that in any way might be called flawed. We also get that you purposefully ignoring all other evidence in order to support your own pet ideas. Please just stop repeating yourself.

you are in serious need of mental help. both psychologically and logically.
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post #65 of 202
8/7/10 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by 1337_5L4Xx0R View Post

For a company that went to such lengths to convince the public that there was no antenna problem, firing the guy who came up with the antenna seems... hypocritical?

Are they now acknowledging there is a problem with the antenna?

To any truly rational individual the answer to that question is a resounding... Absolutely!
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post #66 of 202
8/7/10 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

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Do you really think next years iPhone will be cased in plastic because or do you think they will continue with the antenna as the frame? Im betting on the latter.

I'd take you on that bet. Perhaps same construction (as a frame), but definitely insulated, even if the insulation is transparent to preserve the aesthetics.
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post #67 of 202
8/7/10 at 8:01pm
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Originally Posted by davestall View Post

I did not say that media cant influence people. I said that Apple could not dispute what the media was saying. If there were really no problem; it would have been very easy to dispute. In fact if there were no problem; there wouldn't have been the grass roots ground swell from users to report the problem.

Apple made a huge mistake in the phone design, they then made multiple mistakes addressing it. They literally are shipping free band-aids to "fix it". I suspect a lot more than one person will be fired. This guy has name recognition; the engineers and product managers nobody will ever hear about.

No, you're wrong.

The fact of the matter is that there really isn't any antenna problem.

If there was, it would manifest itself very conspicuously in the form of returned handsets. If there really was a problem, we'd see significant returns. The iPhone 4 does not have a higher return rate than other smartphones. Also, iPhone 4 supply can't keep up with demand. When Apple announces quarterly earnings in October, my guess is that iPhone 4 worldwide sales crushes that of iPhone 3GS.

Why does the media sensationalize the problems of a handful of mostly American users? Pageviews. The people of the iPhone buying world got whipped into a frenzy at the sole benefit of media outlets.

Again, go look at the return numbers. That's where you would see any evidence of a true problem. It's 6+ weeks since the original release date and there are no numbers because there is no issue.
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post #68 of 202
8/7/10 at 8:01pm
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Originally Posted by screamingfist View Post

you are in serious need of mental help. both psychologically and logically.

At this point you have simply dropped off the radar for further commentary, due to a serious case of OCD coupled with indefensible argumentativeness.
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post #69 of 202
8/7/10 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post

I'd take you on that bet. Perhaps same construction (as a frame), but definitely insulated, even if the insulation is transparent to preserve the aesthetics.

So you’re taking a bet that Apple will or will not have the antenna visual on the next iPhone, but will make changes? Seriously?! Do you not understand that every iPhone has had major technological changes with each revision to improve the device? Since this only happened after a phone was released with an external antenna and there is proof that attenuation happens when you grip any phone the only bet you and others can take is that Apple will encase the next iPhone with plastic like all the other phones out there. Also, do you think all the other vendors will sit idly by as Apple breaks through with more innovated ways to maximize the internal space while making the antenna more sensitive to weaker signals by having using such a large antenna?
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post #70 of 202
8/7/10 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post

I'd take you on that bet. Perhaps same construction (as a frame), but definitely insulated, even if the insulation is transparent to preserve the aesthetics.

Cretin's Law kicked in quicker than usual - How did this thread become about the merits or failure of the iPhone 4's antenna? Isn't that a dead horse by now?
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post #71 of 202
8/7/10 at 8:14pm
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

Cretin's Law kicked in quicker than usual - How did this thread become about the merits or failure of the iPhone 4's antenna? Isn't that a dead horse by now?

Damn, your right, Ill post no more on that lame duck topic on this thread.
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post #72 of 202
8/7/10 at 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

So youre taking a bet that Apple will or will not have the antenna visual on the next iPhone, but will make changes? Seriously?! Do you not understand that every iPhone has had major technological changes with each revision to improve the device? Since this only happened after a phone was released with an external antenna and there is proof that attenuation happens when you grip any phone the only bet you and others can take is that Apple will encase the next iPhone with plastic like all the other phones out there.

Maybe not plastic. Glass? That would be fresh.

I am not arguing about the technological advances, but exposing the bare antenna was likely not one of them.

Time will tell.
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8/7/10 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

Cretin's Law kicked in quicker than usual - How did this thread become about the merits or failure of the iPhone 4's antenna? Isn't that a dead horse by now?

Sorry to be off topic, got carried away replying to another poster.

And no, apparently it isn't. Firing the head of the iPhone division resumed the flogging.
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post #74 of 202
8/7/10 at 8:20pm
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Originally Posted by oxygenhose View Post

I'd say this speculation is so far off base its squarely in fantasy land. His division is the most successful and dynamic at Apple right now, and the iPhone 4 is their most successful product, there's no reason to punish him unless... this success was almost completely despite his management abilities. If he wasn't their ideal choice... that should tell you something right there, Apple seems to have an excellent track record with hirings.

I'll bet you an iPhone, that he was just not a good fit for Apple's management team and as a manager required too much oversight from above for his division. Probably just too IBM/corporate to jive with the lean/mean team pushing constantly to keep product after product fresh. Probably a very, very intense job - great for the right person, terrible for the wrong one. When you send your armada out, your don't want the first mate and officers having to constantly bump heads with a captain of your flagship, just to get the damn thing outta port.

I think this is probably the closest to the truth. But really, we know nothing about the dynamics and personalities at that level of Apple's management. What we do know is that whatever the reason, these kinds of people move on when its best for number one. No matter how much they screwed up at their job they'll manage to land another top level job with a nice fat pay check. Maybe the guy was no good at his job, maybe he didn't gel, maybe he felt the challenge wasn't worth it, maybe he lost interest, and maybe Jobs didn't like him. All conjecture - we have no idea. He headed a hugely successful division at Apple and will sail on to greener shores, regardless of his shortcomings if he has any.
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8/7/10 at 8:24pm
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Damn, your right, Ill post no more on that lame duck topic on this thread.

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8/7/10 at 8:27pm
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Seriously! First reply states it's because of the iPhone 4 antenna, 2nd reply states that Apple is wrong for putting all the blame on Papermaster for "Antennagate".

Personally, I think if an engineer who loses an iPhone 4 doesn't get fired that Papermaster didn't get fired for helping make Apple's best phone, especially after the lengths Apple went to get him. The truth is probably dull so it probably won't ever be considered on Internet forums.

Good point. The purpose of spin is to make it "interesting". The reasons for Papermaster's leaving is not public information. That's all we know. I'm kind of surprised AI would speculate; they don't need to: The resident supply of forum trolls will dutifully provide that entertainment

Eventually, this thread will devolve into people posting pictures of their Macs or dictionary quotes. You know the drill. Flame on!

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8/7/10 at 8:29pm
The answer is maybe, not absolutely. There are two possible "coincidences" here. One is the antenna issue. The other is HP's CEO problems. I think we have to see where Papermaster ends up before we can decide which of these was right. But doesn't it seem too obvious for Apple to fire the guy right after the antenna brouhaha? Seems like it would be worth it to them for a few hundred grand a year in salary to shuffle positions so as to not make it look like they were admitting there was a problem.

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To any truly rational individual the answer to that question is a resounding... Absolutely!
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8/7/10 at 8:32pm
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post

No, you're wrong.

The fact of the matter is that there really isn't any antenna problem.

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Again, go look at the return numbers. That's where you would see any evidence of a true problem. It's 6+ weeks since the original release date and there are no numbers because there is no issue.

What I am looking at is apple spending a lot of money to ship free rubberbands. A lot of people are taking advantage. Why? They like an ugly rubberband on their phone? No; to fix a design flaw. And lets not forget about Steve Jobs holding a press conference to admit the flaw. Ignore his lame attempt to claim other phones have the same problem. Evey example he gave is easily disputed with real evidence. Apple however cannot dispute the problem because it is a real problem. An Embarrassing one.

Yes; apple lemmings are still buying the flawed product. They dont care about having to wear a rubber band. Thats OK with me; although I think its pretty funny.
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8/7/10 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by shadash View Post

The answer is maybe, not absolutely. There are two possible "coincidences" here. One is the antenna issue. The other is HP's CEO problems. I think we have to see where Papermaster ends up before we can decide which of these was right. But doesn't it seem too obvious for Apple to fire the guy right after the antenna brouhaha? Seems like it would be worth it to them for a few hundred grand a year in salary to shuffle positions so as to not make it look like they were admitting there was a problem.

To read any kind of admission into Papermaster's leaving is ridiculous. Either he couldn't take the heat in the kitchen and decided to leave or else it wasn't hot enough for him - how can we know. By all means, I love speculation like the next guy but to deduce anything with certainty is foolish. I reckon it was his boyfriend that told him he spent too much time at the office and he had to make a choice. I mean, why not?
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8/7/10 at 8:38pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

They say great minds think alike, but in actuality the truly great minds think like no one else.

Seriously though, doesn't this news seem a little coincidental to the timing of HP's "reorganization"?

Bingo!
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