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Awesome resolution on the Nexus 10, but I sure hope it's not pentile garbage.

 

The Nexus 4....no LTE, no removable battery (Android users care), no SD slot (again, comparing against other androids). but $349 unlocked! that is cheap (maybe in other ways too =P). Samsung and other OEMs must be upset at this pricing, then again all Nexus pricing looks to be screwing over their own partners at the cost of fighting Apple.

 

Prices and specs are great but I am not sure how google can convinced those partners to dump hardware with no margins like that. Not to mention if I was Samsung I would not be too happy about the LG phone at this price.

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No kidding. The 4S was trashed and mocked for not having LTE, and panned for being 'years behind', a 'joke', etc. Yet more than a year later, Google's flagship Android phone doesnt have it, even when the newest iPhones/iPads do, and everyone is falling over themselves to justify it. 

The Nexus devices aren't meant as "flagship" models. They've been used as proof-of-concept models used to preview and launch new OS versions. "Flagship" models have been left to the Android licensees themselves to develop. 

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It isn't bias. The market for this phone is really clear in my mind and I'm getting very worried for Apple with this latest Google response. It's beginning to feel a little like 1995 around here again.

 

Apple absolutely needs LTE in their flagship phone of which they produce one a year and also it is the phone that justifes fat margins and a minimum price of $650 per phone.

 

The Nexus line has not been a true flagship line but more like a baseline platform target for where Android should minimally be for the next year.

 

Apple has had two quarters now where the first hit their targets but did not hit their whisper number and now a quarter where they just outright didn't hit their own targets. It is clear that the slowing of growth with regard to Apple is OUTSIDE of the United States. In the United States, subsidy model helps hide the true cost of buying an iPhone. Outside the U.S. it is a completely different story. This phone is clearly targeted for stunting and stopping the growth of Apple outside the U.S. It is $300-$350 out the door, barely half the price of an iPhone. It has the latest 3G standard but doesn't sweat having a divided 4G standard.

 

It is clear U.S. carriers are using 4G/LTE to push people into more expensive plans, take away their data options, lock phones to their network again, etc.

 

The Samsung Galaxy S3 OUTSIDE the U.S. has 3G and a quad-core processor. Within the U.S. it has a dual-core and LTE. Samsung has had no problem selling them worldwide.

 

Google's eco-system is inferior to Apple's but they are now beating Apple on price, beating them on most specs and it appears their OS is at least on par if perhaps not better depending upon your view.

 

That doesn't mean Apple dies overnight. It doesn't mean Apple has no momentum to sustain them.

 

It does mean we should be concerned. Apple has already fired their holiday season shot. This isn't six months later and we all don't mind waiting until close to Christmas knowing that Apple will produce something amazing again.

 

This....this is six days later.

 

Apple didnt miss any of there guidance, but the beats are slowing down indeed. 

 

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I think the ipad 4 update was to counter that nexus 10 tablet. Apple is on the defensive in the tablet space. But the price are very agressive, not easy for Apple to counter this without hurting there margins.  I still think Apple ecosystem, build quality and design are better and it may keep strong sales going on. They are after all, selling every phone and tablet they can make.

 

 

Apple is going to see operating margins improvement in Q2, it may pass that to the consumer by lowering there price. I dont think they will have a choice actually.


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It's only being launched on TMobile AFAIK, who doesn't have LTE. 
Why only T-Mobile?
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A new point release without a new version code name? While I have complained about new versions of the platform not making it to older devices, just keeping the same platform name isn't really solving the problem, Google. :P

It also seems like Google is returning fire on the Windows RT platform with the addition of multiple user profiles on the tablets. But I gotta say a "guest" profile on my smartphone would be sweet, that way I could let someone bum my phone for web searching while keeping my data away from their fat, regularly-accidentally-hits-the-delete-option fingers. (Hey Apple, that's a hint-hint for you too.)

And so, the tablet wars begin....
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Anyone know why the 9.7" model is called a Nexus 10, yet the 4.7" model is called a Nexus 4?  Shouldn't one reason that the 4.7" model be called a Nexus 5 or the 9.7" model be called a Nexus 9?

Same reason the 6th iphone is called iphone5, and the 9th windows was called windows7

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nice going staying on topic.   Its like catching snakes swimming in lube.

 

The point I was making is the Nexus 4 is not limited to using just 'proprietary' wireless charging, but can also use the industry standard mico-USB. Cables for which are available for a lot less than $19. Apologies for any confusion caused.

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Why only T-Mobile?

I don't know, and I don't believe Google has made mention of the reason either. I suppose with Sprint, Verizon and ATT all married to Apple, throwing TMobile a bone isn't all bad.

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Why do these companies quote standby time?  Has any actual user ever let their phone sit, untouched, for 500 hours?

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Wow, those apps are going to look good scales up to that res.

Need to do some measurements, but I bet a 1920x1080p video will be bigger on the iPad screen than the "letter boxed on both sides" version does on the Nexus.

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No kidding. The 4S was trashed and mocked for not having LTE, and panned for being 'years behind', a 'joke', etc. Yet more than a year later, Google's flagship Android phone doesnt have it, even when the newest iPhones/iPads do, and everyone is falling over themselves to justify it. 
Even if its not the "flagship" device, it's pretty lame to make excuses for or explain away not having LTE.
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I don't know, and I don't believe Google has made mention of the reason either. I suppose with Sprint, Verizon and ATT all married to Apple, throwing TMobile a bone isn't all bad.
I thought Verizon was married to Droid?
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Does Android 4.2 have the (alleged) UI-enhancing "project butter" code?

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Even if its not the "flagship" device, it's pretty lame to make excuses for or explain away not having LTE.

Did Google do either of those things? 

 

Perhaps in a few days Google might expand on the reasons for a TMobile only launch. For now it would seem to reinforce the idea that Google doesn't mean for the Nexus devices to be huge marketplace successes, at least in terms of revenue and profit, and that they aren't intending to supplant their own licensees (yet?)

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You can also charge the Nexus 4 using the micro-USB port.

Seriously this is the worst connector ever. Fragile and more fiddley than Apple's 30-pin connector.

Wireless charging is a gimmick. Phil Schiller was right on that one.
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I thought Verizon was married to Droid?

Pre-iPhone. That was a long time ago in tech-time.

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Though I bet it is Pentile, which will reduce effective ppi quite a bit.

Easy math. Exactly 1/3rd less sub pixels.

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DOH Lol, a typo here and there is to be expected but he's constantly writing loose for lose.

Serves you right for being so petty. Loose/lose, than/then, always used incorrectly on forums. Get over it.
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Seriously this is the worst connector ever. Fragile and more fiddley than Apple's 30-pin connector.


Really? Maybe you are just cack-handed?

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try telling that to Tim Cook.  He also insists that iPad mini is not a 7" iPad. 


http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57541135-37/fact-checking-tim-cook-on-7-inch-tablets-and-microsofts-surface/



The 7-inch tablets are tweeners, too big to compete with a smartphone and too small to compete with an 



iPad
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Cook's response was that Apple didn't make a 7-inch iPad, but rather an iPad with a display that was closer to 8 inches -- nine-tenths of an inch bigger than a 7-inche



And he'd be right.
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Easy math. Exactly 1/3rd less sub pixels.

 

Yeah but the stagger also make it weird.

 

But it doesn't matter, as it turns out it isn't OLED after all.

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Why only T-Mobile?

TheVerge thinks they can explain it. Are they right? Dunno, and what TheVerge wrote didn't come from Google themselves.

 

"For Google, Nexus is a flagship brand that represents the best of Android, with Google leading by example to show other hardware manufacturers what Android can be. And though partners build the hardware, Google wants direct control of the software on Nexus devices with no carrier intervention. That alone means Google can't sell an LTE device, as there's simply no access to LTE networks without working with carriers in one way or another: Verizon and Sprint's LTE networks still require compatibility with their 3G CDMA systems, and there's essentially no such thing as an unlocked CDMA device. AT&T's fledgling LTE network runs on different frequencies than other LTE networks around the world, so Google would have to build a custom phone for just 77 markets in the US. Doing that without AT&T's financial assistance makes little sense."

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So the Verge knocked the 4S for not having LTE, yet they devote a whole column to explain why the Nexus 4 doesn't have LTE. And people still claim these tech sites don't have an anti-Apple bias? lol.gif
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3569688/why-nexus-4-does-not-have-4g-lte

And the 4S was released over a year ago. Imagine the pounding The Verge would give Apple if the 5 didn't have LTE?
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So the Verge knocked the 4S for not having LTE, yet they devote a whole column to explain why the Nexus 4 doesn't have LTE. And people still claim these tech sites don't have an anti-Apple bias? lol.gif
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3569688/why-nexus-4-does-not-have-4g-lte

 

BECAUSE NEXUS = NERDGASM.

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The Nexus devices aren't meant as "flagship" models. They've been used as proof-of-concept models used to preview and launch new OS versions. "Flagship" models have been left to the Android licensees themselves to develop. 

Who said anything about "Flagship" models!"? What a pathetic excuse. Apple doesn't have a flagship model, just an iPhone. It has LTE. Nexus does not have LTE.
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Who said anything about "Flagship" models!"? What a pathetic excuse. Apple doesn't have a flagship model, just an iPhone. It has LTE. Nexus does not have LTE.

 

How does the iPhone compare to the Nexus in price?

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Really? Maybe you are just cack-handed?

Yes, really. And no, I'm not cack-handed. Whether it be on a camera, external drive or phone, it's simply a terrible connector.
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TheVerge thinks they can explain it. Are they right? Dunno, and what TheVerge wrote didn't come from Google themselves.

"For Google, Nexus is a flagship brand that represents the best of Android, with Google leading by example to show other hardware manufacturers what Android can be. And though partners build the hardware, Google wants direct control of the software on Nexus devices with no carrier intervention. That alone means Google can't sell an LTE device, as there's simply no access to LTE networks without working with carriers in one way or another: Verizon and Sprint's LTE networks still require compatibility with their 3G CDMA systems, and there's essentially no such thing as an unlocked CDMA device. AT&T's fledgling LTE network runs on different frequencies than other LTE networks around the world, so Google would have to build a custom phone for just 77 markets in the US. Doing that without AT&T's financial assistance makes little sense."

Why does The Verge feel they have to make excuses for Google? If it was Apple, it would be criticised, no doubt about it.
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How does the iPhone compare to the Nexus in price?

Relevence? It's still Google's choice what they include and how they price it.
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Who said anything about "Flagship" models!"? What a pathetic excuse. Apple doesn't have a flagship model, just an iPhone. It has LTE. Nexus does not have LTE.

ummm... the poster I was responding to:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/153845/google-announces-nexus-4-smartphone-nexus-10-tablet-android-4-2/80#post_2221889

That's one reason everyone here tends to include the original comments when replying. It would keep most readers from missing the relevance of a post1rolleyes.gif

 

Also FWIW, yes Nexus phones like the Galaxy Nexus have LTE. Just not this specific Nexus phone.


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It's only being launched on TMobile AFAIK, who doesn't have LTE. 

 

Are you sure it is launched on TMobile alone?


Isn't it unlocked? If so, does it matter what carrier it is launched on?

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ummm... the poster I was responding to:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/153845/google-announces-nexus-4-smartphone-nexus-10-tablet-android-4-2/80#post_2221889
That's one reason everyone here tends to include the original comments when replying.1rolleyes.gif

Also FWIW, yes Nexus phones like the Galaxy Nexus have LTE. Just not this specific Nexus phone.

My apologies. I still think it's very lame to release this Nexus phone without LTE. That should make it a non-starter for the myriad of people who complained about the lacks of such on the 4S.
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Why only T-Mobile?


Because it's the one carrier in the world on which Apple can't beat them in sales. 

 

On T-Mobile, at least this thing has a REMOTE chance of becoming the "top-selling" device.

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Are you sure it is launched on TMobile alone?

Yes, TMobile was announced as the premier launch partner.

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My apologies. I still think it's very lame to release this Nexus phone without LTE. That should make it a non-starter for the myriad of people who complained about the lacks of such on the 4S.

Fair enough.

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Why does The Verge feel they have to make excuses for Google? If it was Apple, it would be criticised, no doubt about it.

 

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TheVerge thinks they can explain it. Are they right? Dunno, and what TheVerge wrote didn't come from Google themselves.

 

"For Google, Nexus is a flagship brand that represents the best of Android, with Google leading by example to show other hardware manufacturers what Android can be. And though partners build the hardware, Google wants direct control of the software on Nexus devices with no carrier intervention. That alone means Google can't sell an LTE device, as there's simply no access to LTE networks without working with carriers in one way or another: Verizon and Sprint's LTE networks still require compatibility with their 3G CDMA systems, and there's essentially no such thing as an unlocked CDMA device. AT&T's fledgling LTE network runs on different frequencies than other LTE networks around the world, so Google would have to build a custom phone for just 77 markets in the US. Doing that without AT&T's financial assistance makes little sense."

 

MG Siegler has a better explanation: Carriers won't let Google push Android updates on regular Android phones. So Google releases an unlocked brand to showcase its latest Android software. But carriers only allow this on their terms (in this case, no LTE). Apple got their way because they "fought for the user. Google sold us out to sell some phones. Now the devil is collecting."

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Yes, TMobile was announced as the premier launch partner.


But does it matter since it is unlocked? Google didn't need a launch partner for this unless they are interested in making it more than a reference model.

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ummm... the poster I was responding to:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/153845/google-announces-nexus-4-smartphone-nexus-10-tablet-android-4-2/80#post_2221889

That's one reason everyone here tends to include the original comments when replying. It would keep most readers from missing the relevance of a post1rolleyes.gif

 

Also FWIW, yes Nexus phones like the Galaxy Nexus have LTE. Just not this specific Nexus phone.

I tend to quote to prevent somebody from modifying their post to change the original context (e.g. pointing out somebody is wrong and they correct it acting like "what are you talking about?").

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But does it matter since it is unlocked?

Not sure what you mean exactly. You can use this on ATT's network if you wanted but ATT isn't selling it, at least not yet. And without ATT's active assistance I doubt it will ever have LTE. To reiterate a point I made earlier, I think it serves more as evidence what the Nexus devices are introduced for, and it's not to be commercial successes nor compete with the Android licensees.

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I tend to quote to prevent somebody from modifying their post to change the original context (e.g. pointing out somebody is wrong and they correct it acting like "what are you talking about?").

I've never seen that as an issue at any other forum I'm a member of, but for here that might be a good reason to quote.

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