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I've enjoyed the discussion, but I have lots of work to do.

I'm proud of you. It takes a big person to admit they have to work on themselves.

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It always makes me laugh when people think this is a social issue or start talking about God. This issue is a trojan horse it pretends to be a social issue, it is pushed as being a social issue but it's an economic issue. Gov. Jan Brewer will veto this measure because it will impact her state economy in the long run. She could care less about Tim Cook being gay all she cares about is Apple building a facility in her state. If Apple had no plans to bring jobs to her state he would have zero power on this current measure. 

 

The gay issue in America is all about federal benefits, it has always been about federal benefits for gays. If gay marriage is legal it allows for same sex couples to receive federal benefits. In a country where marriage has become a joke, an extremely high divorce rate it's comical to think the majority of Americans even thinks about this issue. 

 

We are attempting to come out of the worse economic crash in a generation and people think the majority of Americans care about some stupid social issue? The gay population is a well funded loud minority that strikes about as much fear as a pitbull with no teeth. It's liberal judges that move the agenda forward even when the population of a state votes against gay marriage. Most large and even medium sizes companies in the US already give full benefits to couples in a civil union. Again this issue is about federal benefits, has nothing to do with God or morals. 

 

Most polls show the majority of American citizens would support a nationwide marriage equality law. Most liberals running for elections use gay marriage as a platform including Obama yet do very little on a federal level to support gay marriage once elected. 

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I'm proud of you. It takes a big person to admit they have to work on themselves.

Big in girth, or big in brain? Guess it doesn't matter because both know that they have to work on themselves. lol.gif
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I always wondered what the "H" in Jesus H Christ stood for.

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This entire thread reminds me of Youtube comments *facedesk*

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It always makes me laugh when people think this is a social issue or start talking about God. This issue is a trojan horse it pretends to be a social issue, it is pushed as being a social issue but it's an economic issue. Gov. Jan Brewer will veto this measure because it will impact her state economy in the long run. She could care less about Tim Cook being gay all she cares about is Apple building a facility in her state. If Apple had no plans to bring jobs to her state he would have zero power on this current measure. 

The gay issue in America is all about federal benefits, it has always been about federal benefits for gays. If gay marriage is legal it allows for same sex couples to receive federal benefits. In a country where marriage has become a joke, an extremely high divorce rate it's comical to think the majority of Americans even thinks about this issue. 

We are attempting to come out of the worse economic crash in a generation and people think the majority of Americans care about some stupid social issue? The gay population is a well funded loud minority that strikes about as much fear as a pitbull with no teeth. It's liberal judges that move the agenda forward even when the population of a state votes against gay marriage. Most large and even medium sizes companies in the US already give full benefits to couples in a civil union. Again this issue is about federal benefits, has nothing to do with God or morals. 

Most polls show the majority of American citizens would support a nationwide marriage equality law. Most liberals running for elections use gay marriage as a platform including Obama yet do very little on a federal level to support gay marriage once elected. 

It wasn't long ago that people in favour of segregated schools, public places and business, and against interracial relationships were using randallking's same arguments. And before that we had people opposed to getting rid of slavery because of Christian values that were "proved" by quoting scripture.

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Nor was his name Jesus.

Jesus is the translation of Yeshua, but his last name was definitely not Christ.

Some claim it was Yahushua or Yahshua, because it is derived from Yahweh, but, in any case, normally, one does not translate a proper name. In the Biblical days, only the scribes knew how to write, but everyone had a name. It is how the name sounds that is important. No matter which way it was eventually written in each language, it should always be phonetically correct because it is a proper name. But, alas, not too many people agreed with that way thinking during the Englishification of the world. 

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The same Jesus you reference [yadda yadda yadda] repentance from wickedness [yadda yadda yadda]

 

From: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179139

 

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Some claim it was Yahushua or Yahshua, because it is derived from Yahweh, but, in any case, normally, one does not translate a proper name. In the Biblical days, only the scribes knew how to write, but everyone had a name. It is how the name sounds that is important. No matter which way it was eventually written in each language, it should always be phonetically correct because it is a proper name. But, alas, not too many people agreed with that way thinking during the Englishification of the world. 

Funny story, there was a Persian christian guy in my job that we called 'Jesse', one day i see that his real name is 'Isa', so I question him about it. He tells me Isa is the Arabic name for Jesus, and how his father named him that because Jesus came to him in a dream and told him he was going to have a son, so I asked him why doesn't he go by 'Jesus' instead, he said "I used to but everyone used to think I was hispanic" lol.gif
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Funny story, there was a Persian christian guy in my job that we called 'Jesse', one day i see that his real name is 'Isa', so I question him about it. He tells me Isa is the Arabic name for Jesus, and how his father named him that because Jesus came to him in a dream and told him he was going to have a son, so I asked him why doesn't he go by 'Jesus' instead, he said "I used to but everyone used to think I was hispanic" lol.gif

I can see that but I think Spanish speakers pronounce it HEY-zoos.

Speaking of Spanish, there is a student in my class whose name is Osama. I'd think it would suck to have a name that gets vilified. I imagine that the name Adolf was an extremely popular boy's name in Germany during a certain part of the 20th century and then dropped sharply for the rest of the 20th century. Just a hunch.

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AppleInsider, I would have preferred that you speak with a less biased voice in your writing. Please just report the facts instead of taking sides.

That said, I stand with the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Word of God, who calls homosexuality an abomination in his holy scriptures.

Nevertheless, I expect a news site to report facts and not lace it with personal feelings, either toward the side I hold or to the other.

 

There only IS one side here.  Yeesh.

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I can see that but I think Spanish speakers pronounce it HEY-zoos.

The guy I use to paint some of my properties is "Jesus Ojeda"- great guy.  But my contact just says "Jesus".  I crack up anytime he calls me or when I have to tell someone- "Hold on- Jesus is calling me" or "Jesus is on the other line, can I call you back?"

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I always wondered what the "H" in Jesus H Christ stood for.

 

From Wikipedia:

"Using the name of Jesus Christ as an oath has been common for many centuries, but the precise origins of the letter H in the expression Jesus H. Christ are obscure. While many explanations have been proposed, some serious and some not, the most widely accepted derivation is from the divine monogram of Christian symbolism. The symbol, derived from the first three letters of the Greek name of Jesus ( Ἰησοῦς), is transliterated iota-eta-sigma, which can look like IHS, ΙΗϹ (with lunate sigma), JHS or JHC. Since the transliteration IHS gave rise to the backronym Iesus Hominum Salvator (Latin for "Jesus, savior of men"), it is plausible that JHC similarly led to Jesus Harold Christ, Harold coming from the mispronunciation of the word "hallowed" of the Lord's Prayer: "Our Father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name."

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OK, I'm opening a lion petting zoo in Arizona. Only Christians will have the privilege of being inside the cages, though.

 

I'll show myself out.

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It wasn't long ago that people in favour of segregated schools, public places and business, and against interracial relationships were using randallking's same arguments. And before that we had people opposed to getting rid of slavery because of Christian values that were "proved" by quoting scripture.

I agree on some level, I am not sure I would say" it wasn't long ago". We have to at least distinguish between government policy and personal opinion or for a lack of better words "values". I am sure there are people to this day that are against interracial marriage and push Christian values. The point I was making in this case is this is about something that is pushed or showcased as a social issue when really it's an economic issue. The big fight in this country when it comes to gay rights has nothing to do with morals, it has to do with state and federal benefits. 

 

In fact that was the latest battle heard by our Supreme Court. I am not sure if you live in the US, if you don't again it is comical we call ourselves the "United States" when every state has their own set of laws based on the political landscape. I would say if we long around the world and at history there have been horrible acts of violence committed all in the name of religion and values. There are countries that still treat woman as second class humans and I think I am being generous with that statement. 

 

Last time I checked. Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan and several others, being Christian isn't what they have in common. 

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I hold dear every single word of God's holy scriptures, and I strive daily to understand it better by applying myself to studying it. It is perfect truth, never contradicts itself, and is a thorough furnisher unto all good works.

How do you hide all the dead bodies of those you discover working on the Sabbath and in truth: stone to death? The point of which is that there are choices made on that "every single word".... and beyond to the United States Constitution in the realm of public businesses. The Arizona law would appear to conflict with the 14th Amendment on equal protection.

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Please tell us the one about the Earth is only 5,000 years old. I love that story. /s

Actually, most believers of the Bible calculate the age of the Earth to be 6,000 x 1,000 x 365 (extracted from wording that a thousand years is one day...I'm not even sure what the basis is on a "year" or a "day").  You have to admit though that every single theory on the creation of earth and animals is an incredible, almost mythical story.  And buying into any one of them requires a tremendous amount of FAITH. 

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Some claim it was Yahushua or Yahshua, because it is derived from Yahweh, but, in any case, normally, one does not translate a proper name. In the Biblical days, only the scribes knew how to write, but everyone had a name. It is how the name sounds that is important. No matter which way it was eventually written in each language, it should always be phonetically correct because it is a proper name. But, alas, not too many people agreed with that way thinking during the Englishification of the world. 

The name Yehoshua is the letter yud (') meaning "he", and the root hosheia (השע) meaning "salvation". The English version of Yehoshua is Joshua. For a bit of disambiguation, the similar sounding name Isaiah is the English version of Yeshaya, which comes from the same root word, but neither of them translate as Jesus. The Hebrew spelling of Jesus could be pronounced "yasoos" (יסוס) which means "he who is a horse".

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Actually, most believers of the Bible calculate the age of the Earth to be 6,000 x 1,000 x 365 (extracted from wording that a thousand years is one day...I'm not even sure what the basis is on a "year" or a "day").  You have to admit though that every single theory on the creation of earth and animals is an incredible, almost mythical story.  And buying into any one of them requires a tremendous amount of FAITH. 


The Semitic calculation of 5774 years began at the creation of Adam, not the world

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Actually, most believers of the Bible calculate the age of the Earth to be 6,000 x 1,000 x 365 (extracted from wording that a thousand years is one day...I'm not even sure what the basis is on a "year" or a "day").  You have to admit though that every single theory on the creation of earth and animals is an incredible, almost mythical story.  And buying into any one of them requires a tremendous amount of FAITH. 


The Semitic calculation of 5774 years began at the creation of Adam, not the world

So six days difference?

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So six days difference?


Six days, six times a thousand days, nobody knows for sure

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So six days difference?


Six days, six times a thousand days, nobody knows for sure

Do you have any thoughts on the words "God Created" in 1:1? Someone told me it was the same word used as in 'created a wooden chair' for example, the chair was created from material that previously existed.

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Do you have any thoughts on the words "God Created" in 1:1? Someone told me it was the same word used as in 'created a wooden chair' for example, the chair was created from material that previously existed.


The Sages postulate that there were other worlds that existed before ours. Another explanation is that God causes the Big Bang and went on from there. But the book of Genesis was never meant to be studied or examined. The point of the entire book is to provide a background showing that God created the Earth and as such it is His right to give it to whomever He wants.

 

Like I said, no one knows for sure.

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Like I said, no one knows for sure.

Seems like a lot of Christians think they know for sure about all kinds of things that are not even mentioned in the Bible.

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Seems like a lot of Christians think they know for sure about all kinds of things that are not even mentioned in the Bible.


I wouldn't know. I'm not Christian

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I can see that but I think Spanish speakers pronounce it HEY-zoos.

Speaking of Spanish, there is a student in my class whose name is Osama. I'd think it would suck to have a name that gets vilified. I imagine that the name Adolf was an extremely popular boy's name in Germany during a certain part of the 20th century and then dropped sharply for the rest of the 20th century. Just a hunch.

The Spanish pronunciation is indeed 'hey-zoos' but how many non Hispanics have you meet that were named Jesus. Hector is another name that baffles me, how did a name from Greek mythology become so popular with hispanics? Yet I've never met one Greek person with it.

You can add Cain and Judas to the vilified name list. lol.gif
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I could never fathom how Ayn Rand libertarianism and fundamental Christianity melded. Mysterious ways indeed.

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Actually, most believers of the Bible calculate the age of the Earth to be 6,000 x 1,000 x 365 (extracted from wording that a thousand years is one day...I'm not even sure what the basis is on a "year" or a "day").  You have to admit though that every single theory on the creation of earth and animals is an incredible, almost mythical story.  And buying into any one of them requires a tremendous amount of FAITH. 

 

No.  What we know, and what we haven't yet been able to understand, about the formation of the universe, the Earth, the birth of life, etc. -- none of that requires faith.

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Actually, most believers of the Bible calculate the age of the Earth to be 6,000 x 1,000 x 365 (extracted from wording that a thousand years is one day...I'm not even sure what the basis is on a "year" or a "day").  You have to admit though that every single theory on the creation of earth and animals is an incredible, almost mythical story.  And buying into any one of them requires a tremendous amount of FAITH. 

That's a misconception, that age is for mankind. There's no time frame given for when God created the heavens and the earth to when he created Adam.
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Seems like a lot of Christians think they know for sure about all kinds of things that are not even mentioned in the Bible.

How would a non Christian know what is in the Bible or how to interpret the Bible? Is it a common practice for a non Christian to read and study the Bible in depth? I would seriously doubt there is anyone on this forum that could truly understand or interpret the King James Bible. So unless someone here has the King James Bible from 1611 there has been three revision of that version alone and over 100,000 changes. 

 

Any Pastors on the forum? Anyone from the Bible belt that has their first Bible given to them as a young teen? Anyone?

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Please, AppleInsider, stay away from politics. I would love it if Apple just stayed away from it too.

While some people make this political, it's not inherently about politics.  It's about basic human rights.   A company cannot ignore the society that it does business in.   If we look at just one issue, hiring great employees, the employees who want to work for a corporation take into consideration the environment the office or plant exists in.    That includes everything from housing prices in the community, whether there is local culture, interesting people, good schools to whether or not they're going to feel comfortable and respected.    No company that values its employees and who "wants the best" can ignore that atmosphere any more than a quality company could ignore legal segregation (although too many did). 

 

The action that companies take greatly affects the political atmosphere and money frequently talks.   "If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem."

 

What substantially helped to kill legal segregation in the South was the Montgomery bus boycott where blacks refused to take (and therefore didn't pay to use) the public transit system and also refused to shop in local stores.   Money eventually talked more than race and business people caved, especially when those opposed to segregation started boycotting chains in the North who practiced segregation in the South. 

 

What substantially helped to kill Apartheid in South Africa was disinvestment by much of the western world.   In particular the various locals of the AFL-CIO pulled their pension funds out of all South African companies.

 

What will kill this bill is the opposition by business.     It was a stupid, mean-spirited bill that was nothing but a cover for discrimination against gays pushed by the radical ultra-right.    It had absolutely nothing to do with religion, everything to do with hate and bias and it was a clear violation of the Constitution in any case.    If its proponents applied it equally to any so called violation of religious law, every person entering the business establishment would have to take some kind of religious litmus test.   And if that test was applied in church, it would have no members because few church members actually practice what it preaches. 

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That's a misconception, that age is for mankind. There's no time frame given for when God created the heavens and the earth to when he created Adam.

James Ussher, the Archbishop of Armagh (Church of Ireland) did establish a Creation Date, and forward from that to present day comes out to a bit over six thousand years.....

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"There are none so blind as those who will not see.

 

I suggest you read Scripture carefully.

It denounces those who reject what is their natural state and act unnaturally in defiance of their god. The 'abomination' as you so quaintly describe it is the rejection of that which God has given. Since most homosexuals are what they are not through any act of rebellion or choice, it would, in actual fact, be an abomination for them to be forced to be anything other than they are. 

 

To go further, Jesus Christ preached acceptance of people as well as forgiveness and tolerance. He didn't once mention homosexuality, but what he DID say was that we should all take the beams of wood out of our own eyes before we start trying to pick specks of dust out of other people's eyes. He said this most emphatically and he appeared to have been annoyed when he said it: to that extent, you, I and everyone else have no business whatsoever in judging the actions of other people and deciding to withhold services or reject or discriminate. 

 

This 'religious tolerance' bill, far from protecting people who are Christian is demonstrably and unarguably acting in contravention of the fundamental faith these people profess to believe in. In other words, they're all thundering hypocrites. 

 

Apple is absolutely correct to object to this bill. Whether it does so for business reasons, political ones or simply out of an abundance of human charity and love, it is absolutely correct.

 

By the way, I'm a committed Christian myself. I've read the Bible from cover to cover. There is nothing in it to support homophobia, discrimination and intolerance. Jesus Christ would be furious with a lot of the people who profess to speak in His name.

 

This subject gets me angry."

 

Likewise I would suggest that you also spend some time reading the scriptures carefully.  In Romans chapter 1, Paul  talks about the moral progression downward of those who rejected God.  It says that there were those who knew God but didn't think it worthwhile to honor God but turned aside to their own ways.  Therefore God gave them over to the sinful desires in their hearts to shameful lusts and unnatural sexual relations, men with men and women with women.  And BTW homosexuality is not the only sin mentioned here.  It goes on to talk about wickedness, greed, arrogance, depravity, etc. that overtook the human race.  But the source of all of this was rooted in the rejection of God.  

 

The New Testament is clear that homosexuality is sin but it is only one of the sexual sins that are mentioned.  So is cheating on a spouse or sex outside of marriage.  I realize that these things don't line up with popular opinion these days but it is what the scriptures teach.  Yes Jesus was, and is, merciful to sinners but he doesn't accept sin.  He accepted the sinner but also admonished them to "go and sin no more."  He didn't mention homosexuality specifically but he did endorse the morality of the Old Testament which speaks against such practices.  I think the gay rights advocates have done a good job of convincing people that they have no choice in their sexual preference but I am not convinced that is true.    That argument can be used to justify all sorts of behavior.  Check out this article from the LA Times saying that pedophilia may be something that is a natural orientation.  Really?

 

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115

 

I think this law came about as a result of some lawsuits that have been filed by gay activists against Christian bakeries in other states that would not make them a wedding cake for a gay marriage.  So being the tolerant person that you are, do you think it is right for someone who does not agree with homosexuality to be forced to participate in a gay wedding by making a cake for it?  You may not agree with them but do they have a right to conduct their business according to the standards they believe in?  Christians do not have the monopoly on bakeries, or any other line of business,  and I guarantee you there are plenty of places a gay couple can go to get a wedding cake.  Trying to force a business owner to conduct business in a way that they don't believe in, in the name of tolerance, smacks of an agenda that is being pushed in this country.  I think that is the issue this law is trying to address.


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That's a misconception, that age is for mankind. There's no time frame given for when God created the heavens and the earth to when he created Adam.

James Ussher, the Archbishop of Armagh (Church of Ireland) did establish a Creation Date, and forward from that to present day comes out to a bit over six thousand years.....

So all this carbon dating thing where scientists are claiming many thousands of years ago humans were living here making tools, hunting, migrating, is all just rubbish then?

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.......I think this law came about as a result of some lawsuits that have been filed by gay activists against Christian bakeries in other states that would not make them a wedding cake for a gay marriage.  So being the tolerant person that you are, do you think it is right for someone who does not agree with homosexuality to be forced to participate in a gay wedding by making a cake for it?  You may not agree with them but do they have a right to conduct their business according to the standards they believe in?  Christians do not have the monopoly on bakeries, or any other line of business,  and I guarantee you there are plenty of places a gay couple can go to get a wedding cake.  Trying to force a business owner to conduct business in a way that they don't believe in, in the name of tolerance, smacks of an agenda that is being pushed in this country.  I think that is the issue this law is trying to address.

The people who I buy baked goods from? Have no part in any aspect of my life. People in the business of selling cakes to the public had better sell cakes to ALL the public. They're bakers, not arbiters of public wedding ceremonies. Need to get over themselves. And that Arizona law runs smack up against the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

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Well said 0yvind and cogitodexter! Besides that, AppleInsider did not speak with "biased voice" at all. They just reported the facts. It baffles me this bill was passed by the Arizona Legislature. It's beyond believe!

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So all this carbon dating thing where scientists are claiming many thousands of years ago humans were living here making tools, hunting, migrating, is all just rubbish then?

Carbon dating isn't as precise as it's made out to be, but I agree with you but even before humans there were dinosaurs.
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Carbon dating isn't as precise as it's made out to be, but I agree with you but even before humans there were dinosaurs.

 

Oh wow.  That's nice of you.  So you agree that people weren't wandering around with T-Rexs?  Cool.

 

COME ON!  Go to Ars and read about the zircon.  Go ask any geologist.  You've got to be kidding me?

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Well said 0yvind and cogitodexter! Besides that, AppleInsider did not speak with "biased voice" at all. They just reported the facts. It baffles me this bill was passed by the Arizona Legislature. It's beyond believe!

 

I lived in AZ for one year -- more or less -- when I went to my one year of college at ASU.  Believe me: These people are messed up.  It doesn't surprise me in the least that they passed this.  Of course, when companies like AA, Marriot, and Apple (and others) say, "You'd better not pass this," they back away.

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