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Apple's legacy MacBook Pro with CD/DVD SuperDrive lives on with $100 price cut

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Though it lacks a Retina display and features a thicker, heavier design, spinning hard drive, and a CD/DVD SuperDrive, Apple's legacy MacBook Pro survived the company's latest round of updates on Tuesday, and was even given a $100 price cut to $1,099.




Specifications for the 13-inch non-Retina MacBook Pro remain the same: It has a 2.5-gigahertz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor, 4 gigabytes of 1600MHz memory, a 500-gigabyte 5400-rpm spinning hard drive, and Intel HD graphics 4000. Despite its heft, it also gets poorer battery life than the thinner models with Retina displays: 7 hours of advertised uptime versus 9 hours for the premium 13-inch varieties.

Apple continued to offer non-Retina 15- and 13-inch models until last October, when the 15-inch legacy MacBook Pro was given the ax.

The sole remaining 13-inch model with disc drive is now by far the cheapest option for users looking to get a professional-grade notebook from Apple, costing a full $200 cheaper than the entry 13-inch Retina model. That model was given a bump on Tuesday to 8 gigabytes of RAM, doubling its previous offering, while the processor was increased to a 2.6-gigahertz dual-core Intel Core i5.

For the non-Retina 13-inch, matching the RAM of the entry Retina model adds $100 to the price tag, making it still a cheaper option. A processor upgrade to a 2.9-gigahertz dual-core Intel Core i7 is also available for $150 extra, and hard drive upgrades to a 1-terabyte spinning drive or various solid-state drives are also available.

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The continued availability of the 13-inch model with SuperDrive comes as Apple has moved toward a disc-less future. Ditching optical drives has allowed Apple to avoid hardware failures with those components, and along with speedy and small flash storage has helped enable thinner and lighter notebook designs.

Though both the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro lineups have now been updated with slightly faster Intel processors in 2014, rumors suggest that the company isn't done yet, as a new 12-inch notebook with a high-resolution Retina display and a completely new external design is expected to hit shelves this holiday season. KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo revealed last October that the new 12-inch MacBook will feature an "ultra-slim clamshell form factor," and observers believe it will represent the company's first MacBook Air with a Retina display.

Kuo believes the new MacBook will be powered by an Intel processor, not a custom ARM chip as has been rumored. He has predicted that the incoming model will "redefine laptop computing once again following the milestone created by the MacBook Air."
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Boring!!!!

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What a WANKY year????

 

Dull iMac entry model, pointless MacBook Pro update??? and it is over halfway through 2014.

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honestly, the current MBA is just more powerful for same price. Yes, you don't get the 'HDD', instead 128GB SSD.. but you get twice the battery time, just as much memory and the Macbook Air CPU is ironically more powerful with the upgraded integrated video which is easily twice as fast as this 2 and 1/2 year old model.

Why not just axe it? I cannot believe that many are buying it...
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honestly, the current MBA is just more powerful for same price. Yes, you don't get the 'HDD', instead 128GB SSD.. but you get twice the battery time, just as much memory and the Macbook Air CPU is ironically more powerful with the upgraded integrated video which is easily twice as fast as this 2 and 1/2 year old model.

Why not just axe it? I cannot believe that many are buying it...

 

Because people still want optical drives? FireWire ports? Ethernet Ports? Yes, you can purchase these for the MacBook Air, but then it actually makes the MacBook Air more expensive. These are still popular in educational settings as is the MacBook Air. I actually wish they still sold the 15" MBP non-retina. We have teachers that want MacBook Pros and the 15" non-retina MBP was the perfect solution. Now, no teacher can get one because they don't offer a 15" solution without spending $2000 on a Mac when everyone else gets a $700 15" PC laptop. 

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What a WANKY year????

 

Dull iMac entry model, pointless MacBook Pro update??? and it is over halfway through 2014.

 

When Apple has no chips to upgrade to, how exactly are they going to make something worth while? Everyone in the industry is in the same boat. This kinda reminds of the old PPC G4 days when there really wasn't much to upgrade to. I remember when new Macs used to actually be slower than the previous ones in certain configurations. 


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What a WANKY year????

Dull iMac entry model, pointless MacBook Pro update??? and it is over halfway through 2014.
What would make it not pointless when Broadwell isn't available? Apple isn't going to do a significant update when Broadwell is just around the corner. This is basically for back to school and a stop gap until they can release new machines with Broadwell.
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Well, not really, so far this year has been crap, we are approaching month 9 and nothing has come out except paltry updates, a whole year of nothing until October????, yearly staggered released is better than October/November releases, most likely due to backlog nothing shipped till 2015.

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What would make it not pointless when Broadwell isn't available? Apple isn't going to do a significant update when Broadwell is just around the corner. This is basically for back to school and a stop gap until they can release new machines with Broadwell.

Back to the same old discussion ... I wish Apple had their own chips, CPUs and GPUs that would allow them to break the shackles of Intel and Nvidia. Apple hardly need Wintel compatibility these days, for those that do, they could keep a legacy Intel based Mac in the line up.
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Because people still want optical drives? FireWire ports? Ethernet Ports? 

And the IR remote. And the option to take the back off and upgrade it. The old MBP still gives you a lot that the retina version doesn't, hence the continued demand for it. I myself would still rather see the MBP and MBA on separate development paths, with the MBP prioritising connectivity and rich features over thinness and lightness while the MBA continues to shed ports and anything else they can lose to get it as thin as possible, but while they both continue to converge on the same spec there will still be demand for the old model.

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What a WANKY year????

Dull iMac entry model, pointless MacBook Pro update??? and it is over halfway through 2014.

This is happening due to Intel's release schedule for new processors and the fact that Apple moved their iOS device releases to the end of the year. New iPads used to come out at the start of the year and iPhones in Summer. Now it's all crammed into the back-to-school and Christmas season.

Although the MBP update was minor, I'm really happy they moved to 16GB RAM all round. The 850M GPU would have been nice but the price cut on the 750M model was good.

Hopefully there will be a Retina iMac and TB display later as well as Retina Air with a new design and of course there will be new iPads and the iPhone 6. I also expect a drop-in upgrade for the Mac Pro. The Mac Mini might or might not be updated, it's not a high priority for Apple.

I suspect we'll hear something about the Beats deal in September and the new product category.
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Well, not really, so far this year has been crap, we are approaching month 9 and nothing has come out except paltry updates, a whole year of nothing until October????, yearly staggered released is better than October/November releases, most likely due to backlog nothing shipped till 2015.

 

What difference does it make? Either you are going to wait and buy the new product or you're not. Nothing was backlogged significantly last year except the Mac Pro and what would that matter anyways. What difference does it make whether its backlogged Apr 2013 through Nov 2013 if they released the MacPro in late winter of 2013 instead of the fall of 2013. 

 

As long as Apple gets everything released and shipping before the holiday buying season thats really all that matters. 

 

Still, if Apple has nothing to upgrade to then what do you expect them to do? I believe these processors were just recently released. Since Apple's products pretty much all use the same processor, there isn't much Apple can do. I'm betting this is making Apple think more and more about switching processors to their own so they can control their own destiny and not have to rely on someone else. 

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Back to the same old discussion ... I wish Apple had their own chips, CPUs and GPUs that would allow them to break the shackles of Intel and Nvidia. Apple hardly need Wintel compatibility these days, for those that do, they could keep a legacy Intel based Mac in the line up.
I guess I'm confused by the complaints (MacRumors has 9 pages of them!). We know any new hardware will either be announced at WWDC or another event, most likely in the fall. This is a minor spec bump for back to school. I go back to what Eddy Cue said about what's coming being the best he's seen in his time at Apple. I think WWDC gave us a hint as to how these fall events will play out. A lot of what Apple announced was not leaked beforehand and people were truly surprised. I think we're in for the same treat this fall.
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And the IR remote. And the option to take the back off and upgrade it. The old MBP still gives you a lot that the retina version doesn't, hence the continued demand for it. I myself would still rather see the MBP and MBA on separate development paths, with the MBP prioritising connectivity and rich features over thinness and lightness while the MBA continues to shed ports and anything else they can lose to get it as thin as possible, but while they both continue to converge on the same spec there will still be demand for the old model.

 

Yes, that features those too. There are many reasons to keep the older model around. I still wish they had the 15" model. Being able to expand the RAM, put your own SSD in it I think are huge. You can keep it going for quite a while because of this. I have an Early-2011 15" MBP (non-retina) and I was able to upgrade the RAM and the hard drive to an SSD. I still have the option to put a larger SSD, and more RAM. 

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Glad to see the non retina model survived, gutted that they did not bother to up date it in any way.

 

Come on Apple, it's seriously long in the tooth now!!!!!!!!

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They should give the mini a price cut as well.  Or just put it out of its misery...

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There are many reasons why people need the optical drive & want it all in one unit! In most hospitals/medical facilities, there can not yet be WiFi! If you are a patient, you need distraction too. That means a DVD. Yes, you could load up media in advance but most patients need simplicity. There are a lot of people who also have large libraries of DVD's. You must be young to ignore the needs of boomers who are the largest richest population. I suspect Apple is just responding to continuing demand.
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They should give the mini a price cut as well.  Or just put it out of its misery...

Hey, what's up with the Mac mini as is for now? It makes a great little server. I'm not sure what else I'd ever use one for though.
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May not be "surviving". Probably just be trying to clear out the product left in the pipeline.
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I wish they'd also offer OS X on a DVD. What are you meant to do if you need to reformat the hard disk and do a clean install rather than restore from a backup? This, and the fact that they've made scrollbars so unintuitive, is why I no longer use a Mac.

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I wonder if these modest, incremental upgrades do serve a purpose for Apple though.  Apple may be seeing a slowdown in sales, as people are waiting for a "new release", not wanting to get stung by an hotter model on the market 2 weeks after they purchase.  By releasing an incremental upgrade, Apple helps push those consumers off the diving board and into the pool, since they can buy with confidence that they bought the latest model.  

 

Crazy like a fox, they are.  :) 

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I wish they'd also offer OS X on a DVD. What are you meant to do if you need to reformat the hard disk and do a clean install rather than restore from a backup? This, and the fact that they've made scrollbars so unintuitive, is why I no longer use a Mac.

 

I agree.  Except that I don't believe the latest versions of OS X can fit on a DVD.  They're over 4 GB, aren't they?  And since virtually all the matching new Macs don't even have the DVD drive, so it's pointless.  If you want to "do a clean install", please just do a quick web search for "how to make a bootable Mavericks install drive" which will lead you to a number of articles on how to make one, on a flash USB drive.  They work fine, I do it myself.

 

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I wish they'd also offer OS X on a DVD. What are you meant to do if you need to reformat the hard disk and do a clean install rather than restore from a backup? This, and the fact that they've made scrollbars so unintuitive, is why I no longer use a Mac.

You can set scroll bars to be as they always were, you can alter the direction of the scroll and you can run Disk Utilities from the Recovery Partition to format the OS X partition. Hold the option key on a reboot and select the Recovery Boot.


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I wish they'd also offer OS X on a DVD. What are you meant to do if you need to reformat the hard disk and do a clean install rather than restore from a backup? This, and the fact that they've made scrollbars so unintuitive, is why I no longer use a Mac.

To reformat your disk, you just need do this: http://support.apple.com/kb/PH14243
DVDs are no more needed for those tasks (at least, since OS X Lion).
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That legacy MacBook Pro doesn't show up on the main entry page if you go to the Apple site and click "Mac>MacBook Pro>Tech Specs".  It only shows up if you click the "Buy Now" button.  

 

That makes me think it's not long for this world. 

 

I'm also in the court that Apple should still be making an updated machine with an optical drive and with user-replaceable battery, storage and memory, like my late-2008 MacBook Pro, which I'm still using.   If the machine has to be a little thicker to support this, so be it.  

 

I'd buy a new Mac if they'd make that, but I'm holding on to this 2008 MBP as long as it works because they don't.   I think it's absurd that I would have to lose use of the computer for several days while Apple replaces the battery and that there's no option to upgrade the storage or memory except when you first purchase the machine.    Personally, I really resent taking steps backwards just so the machine can be fractionally thinner.    IMO, that's one of the things that could/should differentiate the Pro from the Air line.    And with the Pro getting thinner and thinner, I'm not even sure why they need the Air line at all unless that only gets produced in a screen size smaller than the smallest Pro screen size.    From what I've seen, most people who would have used an Air are now using an iPad instead, although the one thing the Air has going for it is the "real" keyboard. 

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With $200 more, you'll get faster CPU, double RAM, better battery life, a flash drive and retina display. Unless someone is too stupid to realize it, I don't see any good deal here.
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I agree.  Except that I don't believe the latest versions of OS X can fit on a DVD.  They're over 4 GB, aren't they?  And since virtually all the matching new Macs don't even have the DVD drive, so it's pointless.  If you want to "do a clean install", please just do a quick web search for "how to make a bootable Mavericks install drive" which will lead you to a number of articles on how to make one, on a flash USB drive.  They work fine, I do it myself.

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DVD can store upto 8GB w dual layer/side. Even with the 4.7GB single layer, it's enough for OS.
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I think there is a reason why Apple wants to get rid of HDD and DVD drives.  The non-retina MBP spec does not give a standby time while the retina MBPs have a standby time of 30 days.  IOW, the non-retina MBPs are not environmentally friendly. 

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Originally Posted by DarenDino View Post
...pointless MacBook Pro update???

 

Yes, updating to the only chips that will be available until summer of next year sure is pointless¡

 
...and it is over halfway through 2014.

 

Yeah, Apple sure is doomed. Take your FUD and shove it.

 

Originally Posted by TeaEarleGreyHot View Post
Except that I don't believe the latest versions of OS X can fit on a DVD.  They're over 4 GB, aren't they?

 

DVDs go to 8 gigs.

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Yes, updating to the only chips that will be available until summer of next year sure is pointless¡

Yeah, Apple sure is doomed. Take your FUD and shove it.


DVDs go to 8 gigs.

In fact DVDs can go to 17 GB (double sided dual layer), though I'm not sure anyone actually uses them. :-)
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Originally Posted by Roly View Post
In fact DVDs can go to 17 GB (double sided dual layer), though I'm not sure anyone actually uses them. :-)

 

Oh, yeah. I don’t even know of any drive that plays them. Heck, I don’t know of any drive that will do DVD DL±RW, which is nonsense.

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New Apple are giving their customers more options...

...to fail. Incentiviisng people to buy cheaper HDD-based Macs will hurt the UX and ultimately the customer satisfaction Tim appears to care about so deeply.

They should get their information management strategy right and ditch HDDs across the line. With a decent cloud or wifi backing store even 128GB is adequate.

A very disappointing year in hardware so far.

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I hope not. 128gb is not enough for anything much, and cloud storage is slow and I would rather not have my stuff all in the cloud. A much better solution would be fusion drives standard in the the non retina MacBook Pro. Apple should also optimise Mac OSX to run on slower harddrives anyway, as the iMac and Mac Mini are also sold with 5400 rpm drives. If microsoft can make windows 8 boot and run fast off a HDD I don't see why apple can't.

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You also loose expand ability, the larger storage space, some ports, the optical drive(yes some people still use them). While for a lot of people these wrong useful, for a lot of other people they are very useful. Apple could remedy to situation by updating them with broadwell and fusion drives.

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You also loose expand ability, the larger storage space, some ports, the optical drive(yes some people still use them). While for a lot of people these wrong useful, for a lot of other people they are very useful. Apple could remedy to situation by updating them with broadwell and fusion drives.

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For the love of everything holy, it's 'lose' not 'loose'. That seems to be a epidemic on AI. Apologies I didn't mean to single you out.

No problem, it's either my iPad autocorrecting or me being too lazy to properly proof read before I post 1frown.gif

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No problem, it's either my iPad autocorrecting or me being too lazy to properly proof read before I post 1frown.gif

There's something seriously wrong with autocorrect if it makes the wrong word longer. lol.gif
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There's something seriously wrong with autocorrect if it makes the wrong word longer. lol.gif


My ipad's autocorrect has been really weird since iOS 7 so who knows 1tongue.gif I do feel that my laziness is the problem here though 1wink.gif

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honestly, the current MBA is just more powerful for same price. Yes, you don't get the 'HDD', instead 128GB SSD.. but you get twice the battery time, just as much memory and the Macbook Air CPU is ironically more powerful with the upgraded integrated video which is easily twice as fast as this 2 and 1/2 year old model.

Why not just axe it? I cannot believe that many are buying it...


SSD drives don't have the storage of HDD especially for that kind of price. So it does make sense to keep it around for those that want a lot of local storage. At least until SSD go up in size and down in price. Until then, Apple will continue to adjust the price as component prices go down. Which could help to grab folks that are borderline on the Apple V Windows thing but go to Windows cause the prices are way lower. Better to have their higher lines cannabilized by a lower price Mac than some Dell, Acer etc

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I hope not. 128gb is not enough for anything much, and cloud storage is slow and I would rather not have my stuff all in the cloud. A much better solution would be fusion drives standard in the the non retina MacBook Pro. Apple should also optimise Mac OSX to run on slower harddrives anyway, as the iMac and Mac Mini are also sold with 5400 rpm drives. If microsoft can make windows 8 boot and run fast off a HDD I don't see why apple can't.

 

For the majority of users' MacBooks I've checked it is, though 256GB would be a safer option. SSD advantage has little to do with boot or application load times and more to do with the fact either system only partially loads and when you hit an SSD with multiple jobs it's performance drops to 50%, not 1% like an HDD does.  Multiple jobs?  VM paging, spotlight indexing, OS & Application component loads, background downloads, background software updates it all going on.  Ever notice a colour wheel on a MacBook Air?

 

Fusion Drives for Macs perhaps but HDDs must go.

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