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Several pieces of evidence suggest that Apple is preparing new product introductions for next month, primarily new hard disk drive (HDD) iPods and professional Macs.

Like the nano, Apple's fifth-generation HDD iPods are expected to gain an Apple-designed click-wheel and see a significant reduction in overall size and volume.

Sources believe the new players feature Toshiba's perpendicular magnetic recording (PMR) 1.8-inch HDDs, which are setting new benchmarks for data density. Toshiba has announced the drives in 40GB and 80GB capacities, with the 40GB model packing up to 10,000 songs or 25,000 photos on a single platter.

The 40GB drive features the largest single-platter capacity yet achieved in the 1.8-inch form factor, according to the company. Meanwhile, an 80GB version of the drive stores double the amount of data via two 40GB platters.

The new PMR drives are just 5mm and 8mm thick, respectively, making the 40GB drive roughly 3mm thinner and 15% smaller in volume than the 40GB drive Apple used in an earlier version of the iPod.

Sources also continue to support rumors that the new iPods will gain video playback functionality, but have provided very little evidence backing their assertions.

Perhaps the most reliable report on the subject has come from the Wall Street Journal, which in July reported that Apple held discussions with major recording companies over licensing video content for a video-capable version of the iPod due this fall.

The Journal has been extremely accurate in its predictions on Apple this year, even calling the Mac maker's transition to Intel chips in the months leading up to the announcement.

Apple's resellers and retails also anticipate the release of new HDD iPods from Apple and are revising their orders in preparation of new products, AppleInsider has been told. They say current inventory and order trends associated with the 20GB and 60GB iPod photo models are indicative of forthcoming refreshes. Resellers also report lagging sales of iPod photos over the last few months.

Likewise, sources say Apple remains in a position where they could suddenly introduce new professional Macs such as dual-core Power Mac G5s and jazzed-up PowerBooks G4s. Inventory levels of all Macs are are significantly lower than usual with the company's September fiscal quarter ending earlier in the week.

Over in Europe, Apple's distribution channels are as dry as they have ever been, according France-based MacBidouille. "It never happened before, networks between the European distributors for Apple and the local AppleCenters are almost empty," said Lionel, the Web site's editior. "Beside some eMacs and PowerBooks, there is no stocks from the Powermac G5 to the Mac mini, the same for the iBook and the of course the iPod."

While it has been reported that Apple continues to struggle with a final update to its PowerPC-based PowerBook G4 line, volume Macintosh buyers were told this week that they could expect Power Mac G5-related announcements sometime in the "next two weeks."
post #2 of 65
New iPods on Tuesday 11th October then!
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New iPods on Tuesday 11th October then!

No! New PowerBooks on 10/11! That would be the day before I get back from overseas - a nice welcome home gift.

Seriously, though, I am pretty much ready at this point to buy a 12" PowerBook as is. ANY upgrade - even just a memory and/or small speed bump - and I'd probably hit the purchase button the next day (the machine's already in my shopping cart). Although any of the more talked-about upgrades (better screens, better video chips, 7448, etc.) might make it a same-day purchase.

Hmmm...on second thought - forget that "any upgrade" sentence. Can't have 'em thinkin' they can slack off!


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post #5 of 65
If Apple's going to release an iPod video before Christmas and have enough stock in the channels, they'd better get hoppin'.
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Please, please... PLEASE, let it be new PowerBooks!!!!

My Titanium G4 is dying fast (needs new screen, optical drive, motherboard is questionable) and I've got only a couple months of AppleCare left!

So...
Release the new Rev. PowerBook in October.
I'll get the new Rev. PB immediately!
Then, transfer my data, get the old TiBook fixed and sell it on eBay.

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post #7 of 65
4th quarter report release October 11, 2005
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Uh oh... maybe I want one of these new iPods rather than a nano.
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post #9 of 65
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Originally posted by Xool
Uh oh... maybe I want one of these new iPods rather than a nano.

I want Apple to completely re-design the iPod (as in much smaller) - i know it will be awkward for current accessories but it will make it so much more desirable - i know it's smaller than lots of players already but it's still quite big.
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
I want Apple to completely re-design the iPod (as in much smaller) - i know it will be awkward for current accessories but it will make it so much more desirable - i know it's smaller than lots of players already but it's still quite big.

Ummm... have you not seen the nano?
post #11 of 65
I don't think the market is ready for an iPod targeted specifically at video.

But video as an "extra"--the way photos are--in a new iPod targeted (still) mainly at music? I can see that being possible.

If not, slimmer HDs alone would make a nice refresh for the full-size iPods.
post #12 of 65
I just bought a new 60GB iPod last Thursday...

I wonder if I should return it now and save my cash for the 5th generation iPod.

Hmm...
post #13 of 65
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Originally posted by xanthohappy
Ummm... have you not seen the nano?

Umm yes I have - I want the full-featured iPod to be the size of the min - that would explain why they dropped it wouldn't it! I want an 80GB drive and i want it to be tiny - although the screen is ok. However, I don't care about video - the screen is too small for that and we don't consume video in the same way. But even if we did the user experience from a 2" screen would be shit!
post #14 of 65
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Originally posted by Apparatus
I just bought a new 60GB iPod last Thursday...

I wonder if I should return it now and save my cash for the 5th generation iPod.

Hmm...

You can't return it if you've used it - unless it's faulty - or do Apple have a change of mind policy where you live? Apple do have a seven day refund policy on new products etc. though.

I bought the iPod photo 60GB last year - it's still the top-of-the-range. They've hardly altered the iPod line-up in a year so it's in need of an update. When i bought my first iPod (3G 30GB) there were loads of changes in a year - significant ones which my iPod did not have and was not updated to have. I think Apple are trying to avoid customers waiting for the NEW iPod, also they're now giving all iPods the features of old ones to keep customers happy, in the past updates have taken a while to allow old iPods to use new features (for example the shuffle songs on the top-menu).
post #15 of 65
I'm pretty sure you can return it within 14 days of the purchase date, you just get docked a 10% open box fee.
post #16 of 65
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
Umm yes I have - I want the full-featured iPod to be the size of the min - that would explain why they dropped it wouldn't it! I want an 80GB drive and i want it to be tiny - although the screen is ok. However, I don't care about video - the screen is too small for that and we don't consume video in the same way. But even if we did the user experience from a 2" screen would be shit!

Unless the hard drive makers are hiding something, there won't be an 80GB drive smaller than the 1.8" version for quite a while. Hitachi did claim they will have a 20GB CFII sized microdrive by the end of the year.

While I agree that playing video in the current iPod design wouldn't be good, but there's nothing that says that the next iPod layout will remain the same. Something like Palm's Lifedrive, but better and higher capacity would be nice.
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
Umm yes I have - I want the full-featured iPod to be the size of the min - that would explain why they dropped it wouldn't it! I want an 80GB drive and i want it to be tiny - although the screen is ok. However, I don't care about video - the screen is too small for that and we don't consume video in the same way. But even if we did the user experience from a 2" screen would be shit!

I agree. I was hoping for 20GB iPod minis (basically) when the nano was released. But I didn't expect them this soon.
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Originally posted by FireEmblemPride
I agree. I was hoping for 20GB iPod minis (basically) when the nano was released. But I didn't expect them this soon.

Yeah, that's what i wanted - although i wanted 60GB - i think 40 is the ideal amount -10,000 songs is perfect.
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I have money in hand for a dual dual-core powermac.

Even if the speeds remain the same I would buy one. Just add PCI-Express and it's a done deal.
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post #20 of 65
For Apple to release a video-capable iPod, they'll have to significantly expand their video offerings on iTunes. You could always rip your CDs to your iPod before the music store, but you're not supposed to rip DVDs or download TV shows.
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argh, ipod...i dont care sik, of hearing about them.

more juice on dual core powermacs, updated powerbooks thanks
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Originally posted by Targon
argh, ipod...i dont care sik, of hearing about them.

more juice on dual core powermacs, updated powerbooks thanks

I'm with you on that one. Need a new PowerBook, first it was the mini this, then the nano that, it's fine, but even Apples home page is starting to look like iTunes and I'm starting to wonder will they continue in the computer business.
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Prediction: Apple will release a Fiona Apple special edition video iPod on Oct. 4 with the album title "extraordinary machine" engraved and all of the Dual Disc DVD videos preloaded.
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Originally posted by MacTitan
Prediction: Apple will release a Fiona Apple special edition video iPod on Oct. 4 with the album title "extraordinary machine" engraved and all of the Dual Disc DVD videos preloaded.

That's it... I'm switching to Creative and Windows Media and am going to love Microsoft.

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post #25 of 65
Who needs the rumor mill. The next Mac is obvious if you complete the following pattern:

1. iPod & iMac
2. iPod Mini & Mac Mini
3. iPod Nano & _________

I've got a shirt pocket and it's waiting, Apple!
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Well, they are selling a Mac mini shuffle already. Sorry, couldn't help it.

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Prediction: Apple will release a Fiona Apple special edition video iPod on Oct. 4 with the album title "extraordinary machine" engraved and all of the Dual Disc DVD videos preloaded.

Oh hell yeah, count me in there for that! (I really would buy that if they released it)


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Originally posted by MacCrazy
Umm yes I have - I want the full-featured iPod to be the size of the min - that would explain why they dropped it wouldn't it! I want an 80GB drive and i want it to be tiny - although the screen is ok. However, I don't care about video - the screen is too small for that and we don't consume video in the same way. But even if we did the user experience from a 2" screen would be shit!

You know, I think you may be onto something here...


iPod nano ->
2GB and 4GB

iPod ->
20GB and 40GB (but now just a bit bigger than the iPod mini)

iPod AV ->
80GB (redesigned full size iPod with video and 802.11g)


...it could explain the "risk" behind the iPod mini's demise.

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post #29 of 65
I'd like...
- larger hard drive. I was hoping for a bigger jump than to 80 GB, like 100 or 120. What's the largest capacity available in this diameter drive now?
- Lyrics integrated in, like in the nano (should be a no brainer at this point)
- Built in Bluetooth or other wireless mechanism. I like the Logitech wireless headset, but the adapter you have to use is kind of big/clunky.
post #30 of 65
Guys, Apple just announced its BIG item for the fall...

Unless we see another MUSIC EVENT, popping up anytime soon, I doubt we'll see another new iPod. More likely just a PM upgade, maybe mac mini too...

In reality, Apple's done for the year, we all know it, just not willing to accept it. DENIAL!!!!!
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Originally posted by michaelb
That's it... I'm switching to Creative and Windows Media and am going to love Microsoft.

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/M...441&i=19995798

In other words, follow the link...!

wow, a prime example why not all songs are worth 99c.
post #32 of 65
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Originally posted by F1Turbo
I'd like...
- larger hard drive. I was hoping for a bigger jump than to 80 GB, like 100 or 120. What's the largest capacity available in this diameter drive now?

That would be 80GB. iPod uses 1.8" hard drives, not the bulkier 2.5" hard drives.
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Originally posted by F1Turbo
I'd like...
- larger hard drive. I was hoping for a bigger jump than to 80 GB, like 100 or 120. What's the largest capacity available in this diameter drive now?
- Lyrics integrated in, like in the nano (should be a no brainer at this point)
- Built in Bluetooth or other wireless mechanism. I like the Logitech wireless headset, but the adapter you have to use is kind of big/clunky.

80GB is the largest 1.8" hard drive capacity you can get, and that is quite new.

Really the question should be "Why aren't 2.5 inch hard drives at 250GB?"

I hadn't noticed lyrics on my nano.

Bluetooth would suck for music update, but it would be good for the various PDA functions. Normal WiFi would be reasonable however, but it does suck a lot more power. Maybe the next Airtunes thingy adapter will also have Bluetooth, so you can play from your bluetooth enabled iPod. However I don't think either will play a part in the iPod in this upgrade.
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Originally posted by 1984
You know, I think you may be onto something here...


iPod nano ->
2GB and 4GB

iPod ->
20GB and 40GB (but now just a bit bigger than the iPod mini)

iPod AV ->
80GB (redesigned full size iPod with video and 802.11g)


...it could explain the "risk" behind the iPod mini's demise.

I was thinking this this morning although I thought 20GB in mini size and 40 and 80 in newly designed iPod (same size though). The mini isn't dead.
post #35 of 65
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Originally posted by Hattig
[B]80GB is the largest 1.8" hard drive capacity you can get, and that is quite new.

Really the question should be "Why aren't 2.5 inch hard drives at 250GB?"

That is about as unrealistic of an expectation if not more so.

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I hadn't noticed lyrics on my nano.

I hadn't thought of it either, but Google to the rescue:

[i]"Im particularly pleased that the nano adds a Lyrics screen to the iPods Now Playing area. In this screen you can view any lyrics that youve added to the Lyrics tab of a Song Information window within iTunes 5. Currently the only way to add those lyrics is by handsongs sold by the iTunes Music Store dont (yet) have embedded lyrics.[i]

http://playlistmag.com/reviews/2005/...view/index.php

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Bluetooth would suck for music update, but it would be good for the various PDA functions. Normal WiFi would be reasonable however, but it does suck a lot more power. Maybe the next Airtunes thingy adapter will also have Bluetooth, so you can play from your bluetooth enabled iPod. However I don't think either will play a part in the iPod in this upgrade.

I think the main idea was for wireless headphones, not track updates.
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Originally posted by ThinkDifferent
Guys, Apple just announced its BIG item for the fall...

Unless we see another MUSIC EVENT, popping up anytime soon, I doubt we'll see another new iPod. More likely just a PM upgade, maybe mac mini too...

In reality, Apple's done for the year, we all know it, just not willing to accept it. DENIAL!!!!!


As far as desktop machines go, I'd have to agree, but...
ACTUALLY, Fall has historically been the time for PowerBook updates.
Nothing major, just speed bumps, feature enhancements or additions.

As far as feature upgrades go...

•I doubt we'll see dual-core G4's... I wouldn't kick one off my desk, or hold my breath.
• I'd love to see video cards with 256MB VRAM. Hell, even Dells can be had with those! PowerBooks should CERTAINLY have 256MB VRAM available as an option!
• Higher pixel density screens would be nice, but not essential.
A 13" widescreen PowerBook to replace the 12" and differentiate it more from the iBook. Pro PowerBooks should all have widescreens. Period.
• Toss in those new 100GB x 7200 rpm hard drives, too. I WANT one of those.

AND as long as I'm filling out my wish list for Santa Jobs...

• Bring back the Level 3 cache!!!!!
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post #37 of 65
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Originally posted by JeffDM
I think the main idea was for wireless headphones, not track updates.

Jobs has already rejected this idea
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
Jobs has already rejected this idea

So? Jobs lies, or at least, at the nicest, he changes his mind. He's rejected the idea of a computer built into an LCD screen, a flash-based iPod, a $500 computer and the idea of an iPod in a phone, who knows how many others.
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Originally posted by JeffDM
So? Jobs lies, or at least, at the nicest, he changes his mind. He's rejected the idea of a computer built into an LCD screen, a flash-based iPod, a $500 computer and the idea of an iPod in a phone, who knows how many others.

As in he rejected this last week - I know he goes back - but not this quickly.
post #40 of 65
till they hit 200 gig, i don't give a sh!t
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