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post #41 of 284
I agree with drmoto.

Although beauty is, indeed, in the eye of the beholder and you can't describe why something is ugly or not - as one poster seems to think - many, including myself, find that the present iMac is spoiled by the 'chin', and it makes it 'bottom heavy'.
Architects, for example, learn to avoid both this and the 'top heavy' effect in their designs.
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People are acting like the current machine's size was just aesthetics, but if they could have made it any smaller, they would have. I can't see what's changed that would allow that shrink now. Redesign, new colors, move things around, new materials, sure. But radically downsized? Don't buy it.

Well, if I read the implications of the article correctly, they said that they sort of ignored the design when transitioning to Intel and then to core 2 duo. They had bigger fish to fry. The current iMac design was optimized for the old G5 chips. I am not (by any streach) a computer engeneer, but it is not hard to imagine that the Intel requirements for heat and size could be quite different.

About the powerbrick, which someone reminded us is in the chin, I wonder if powerbricks have to be cubic. They are always boxy, but it seems to me that one way to "make it dissapear" would be to spread it out on the stand. Do any of the electrical engeeneers out there know if that is possible? Or do they have to be fat? I was thinking 6" by 2" by .2" or something like that on the back of the stand...
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post #43 of 284
Get rid of the chin and the iMac would look loads better. If Apple could get rid of that ghastly thing they would. That's why the Cinema Displays don't have one.

Current iMac is the Jay Leno of the computer world.

And while I'm here, how about fibre optics lights that can change colour under the white shell (like the back lit keyboard thing). We could have the case semi mirror what you had selected as your desktop background. Or have some rippling colour effects in screen saver mode. Granted it wont help me get my post production done in shake. But it would look nice.
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The potential removal of the "inexpensive" 17" iMac is quite interesting (and scary). It makes me wonder how Apple plans to compete in the edu market and the entry-level market...

That's easy - they'll just release their cheaper 17" thin client that has up to 15 people running off one MacPro.

I should write my thin client prediction in my signature.
post #45 of 284
it's very easy: the new imac has no chin, and it's mounted on a new stand from which the imac can be removed and used like a pen-computer. but there will not be a pen, you will be able to touch with the hands (you can, but you don't have to). this will be apples new invention: multi touch. and it will be used in the iphone, the ipod video (which will have a user interface like the ipod part of the iphone). i wouldn't be surprised if apple would also release a black version of such a non-chin-imac.
post #46 of 284
I'm amazed at the chin-bashing going on in this thread. The iMac is the most elegant, brilliantly-designed computer on the market - it's hardly "wasted space". I'd be amazed if there was a collective square centimetre of "wasted space" in that thing.

I can't really see how it can be slimmed down much, though - however I did suspect the design was due for a refresh.
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People familiar with the matter say the Cupertino-based Mac maker has called upon its award-winning design chief Jonathan Ive and his team to cut the fat from the the current iMac line and outfit a pair of new Core 2 Duo-based models in a form factor that will be both slimmer and sleeker than today's offerings

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Steve Jobs was in ebullient mood yesterday revealing the the new slimmer iMac. The latest de-facto style of computer seen in the computer industry. Commenting on the move to super slim industrial design in desktop machines Jobs said: Slim is in and fat is out for the 2007/2008 collection. Pundits/weirdos/geeks were reportedly in awe of the new look. The new slim form factor is achieved with a fully flash operated system giving customers up to 160GB storage space on the 26" BTO model (r.r.p. $4500). Jobs further expounded: One of the things I find truly annoying about the digital age is the increased amount of gunk people download on their computers. Apple have taken the position that gunk is out. Only the best digital content should be stored on a machine from Apple Inc. Commenting further about possible problems for users with large iTunes library. Jobs said: I don't know why that should be. You only need the best of U2 a few Beatles tracks (a heavy nod toward their coming release on iTunes scheduled for 2009), and personally a I have a copy of Toy Story. We fully believe in the less-is-more principle and will be using it in our forthcoming advertisement campaign




Reuters, April 2nd 2007.
post #48 of 284
My quick call on specs:

17-inch 2GHz
1GB of RAM
Intel GMA X3000 graphics
DVD/CD-RW Combo drive
No Bluetooth or Front Row remote
$999

20-inch 2GHz
1GB of RAM
256MB ATI X2600 graphics
Superdrive
Bluetooth + Front Row
$1299

24-inch 2.2GHz
2GB of RAM
256MB GeForce 8500 GT grpahics
Superdrive
Bluetooth +Front Row
$1799

And before you think the prices are crazy: display prices are coming down, memory prices are coming down, and the next-gen graphics should cost somewhere in the ballpark of the old models.


Edit: 200th post.
post #49 of 284
to the poster who thought it could be pulled off and used like a tablet. i highly doubt this, if the 17 inch is being ruled out, i don't want to carry a 24 inch screen around the house for fun.

one thing to remember is that slimming could be highly possible if they employed more notebook manufactoring techniques for components. thinking most of the components in the current imac aren't updateable, its really about as fixed in place as the notebook machines; just add some clipin/out graphic cards setup. it should also be noted that the area spread is more as the screen sizes move up, this is more room for components to spread across.
post #50 of 284
Yeah. basically if they tack on MBP pro parts onto the back of the screen...

I think they will probably just look like the displays, alumninum with those lovely rounded edges.
post #51 of 284
Wow... what a Nostradamian prediction...

Sometime in the future, we don't know exactly when... possibly tomorrow, or six years from now, new and improved iMacs are coming! With probably sleeker design (as opposed to new, dumber designs) and ... ooh, faster processors!

Talk about shooting fish in a barrel...
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I'll say it here for the sake of posters who would otherwise say it (beat you to it !! hah!)

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Crap you beat me to it.

Will someone let me know when Apple actually release some new computers?
post #53 of 284
I hope you can replace the hard drive without taking the case apart. That would be nice...
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Wow... what a Nostradamian prediction...

Sometime in the future, we don't know exactly when... possibly tomorrow, or six years from now, new and improved iMacs are coming! With probably sleeker design (as opposed to new, dumber designs) and ... ooh, faster processors!

How about this one:

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Also uncertain is precisely when Apple intends to drop the new iMac line into market. It appears, however, the systems are tracking as hardware-side complements to the company's next-generation Leopard operating system release which, based purely on conjecture, may not be ready until May at best.

With the Santa Rosa release postponed to May (from what I remember having read recently), the most likely is that the new iMacs will be introduced during the WWDC or there around.
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Adobe is releasing CS3 on March 27th

No they aren't. They are having a "launch event" on CS3, where they will be "announcing" CS3 - i.e. showing it off and letting us know when we can buy it.

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post #56 of 284
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My quick call on specs:

17-inch 2GHz
1GB of RAM
Intel GMA X3000 graphics
DVD/CD-RW Combo drive
No Bluetooth or Front Row remote
$999

20-inch 2GHz
1GB of RAM
256MB ATI X2600 graphics
Superdrive
Bluetooth + Front Row
$1299

24-inch 2.2GHz
2GB of RAM
256MB GeForce 8500 GT grpahics
Superdrive
Bluetooth +Front Row
$1799

And before you think the prices are crazy: display prices are coming down, memory prices are coming down, and the next-gen graphics should cost somewhere in the ballpark of the old models.


Edit: 200th post.

So they're going to keep the processor speed the same on the 17 inch, slow it down by .16 GHz on the 20 inch, and raise it .04 GHz on the 24 inch?
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post #57 of 284
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So they're going to keep the processor speed the same on the 17 inch, slow it down by .16 GHz on the 20 inch, and raise it .04 GHz on the 24 inch?

But before you think the prices are crazy...
post #58 of 284
I wish they'd offer some other color. White is too "institutional" looking to me.
post #59 of 284
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it's very easy: the new imac has no chin, and it's mounted on a new stand from which the imac can be removed and used like a pen-computer. but there will not be a pen, you will be able to touch with the hands (you can, but you don't have to). this will be apples new invention: multi touch. and it will be used in the iphone, the ipod video (which will have a user interface like the ipod part of the iphone). i wouldn't be surprised if apple would also release a black version of such a non-chin-imac.

Who's going to carry around a 20 or 24-inch multi-touch screen????

Dude, you're

You should give that up - it kills brain cells!
post #60 of 284
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Apple's industrial design prowess in 2006 was largely reserved for its notebook lines, which saw cutting-edge design revisions replace aging form factors at both the consumer and professional ends.

C'mon, externally, those new Intel portables hardly changed from their G4 predecessors. Cutting edge design my ass.
post #61 of 284
I think leopard will bring the touch screen GUI to the Mac line. And for those not with built in screen there could be a screen adaptor to solve for that.

But I only concern is that with slicker design I am not so sure they will be able to boost the performance.
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maybe chin will be gone.

but what I really want in new iMac would be touch screen.
post #62 of 284
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I am right here with both of you. It's not even a large space... people forget the Entire computer is in that thing. It's not a winblows box and screen, it's an elegant, sleek, very personal computer. I would welcome a new design but I would never say the current iMac is ugly in any way, shape, or form. I think the problem is that when one gets so much of a good thing, one starts to expect even better things to be wow-ed by. Apple consistently puts out phenomenal products so of course people try to find the one thing wrong in order to look forward to the next best thing. Just my two cents

I think you hit the nail on the head here. Not only are expectations very high (sometimes unrealistically so), but I think when any one design is out for more than a year people want to see it change. People get bored very easily. I too welcome a new design because I'm sure if they are going to do a major overhaul, it's going to be for good reason and to accomodate new, innovative Apple technology that we all crave (as opposed to change for the sake of change). That said, the current design is still awesome and I wish I had one, but my MacBook should last me at least a couple more years. I'm currently a sophomore in college and plan to get a desktop Mac (likely an iMac) my last semester as a senior. I can't even imagine the amazing offerings we'll have from Apple by then!
post #63 of 284
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Even if it was just £200 cheaper, I'm sure people wouldn't mind paying an extra £100 for a 20" machine.

While normally, I'd agree with you, after seeing how everyone went ape-shit when Apple dropped the $499 Mac Mini from the line up, I think we'd have people bitch about being "forced" to pay $100 more for their iMacs. Even though the Mini got Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, a faster Intel processor, bigger HDD and more RAM, people still complained. So yeah, I'm willing to bet if Apple drops the 17" iMac and lowers the 20" price to $100 above the old 17" price, people will grumble and moan.

Of course, I'd sort of like to see the 17" iMac stay and only keep one Mini, but make it like the Mac Pro where you just BTO the way you want. You'd have a cheaper processor option and the ability to choose Wi-Fi and Bluetooth built-in, and whether or not you got a Combo or SuperDrive. Give it a stock 60 GB HDD and 512 MB RAM (with upgrades offered BTO of course).

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post #64 of 284
Yeah, stickies place.
Well, if they get rid of the "chin", probably some 3rd party will provide some for people,
who miss them so badly. Probably that said 3rd party will call this product the "iSticky chin".

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I love the chin. For two reasons:

1. I have JBL Encounter speakers, and the chin places the screen high enough so that the speakers don't block any of the screen real estate.

2. It's a great place to hang yellow sticky notes on occasion.

If they decide to remove the chin, all I care is that the screen is at the same height as before. Or that the new form factor allows some adjustment of the screen up and down. That would be most welcome.

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I really doubt multi-touch will appear in their desktop lines (such as they are) before they are more common in their mobile line..."iTablet" and MBPs.

Probably the first appearance on the desktop will be in a specialized ACD much like the Cintiq that incorporates both MT and stylus operation.

When I see "industrial" I think "more Mac Pro like" tho' metal is getting "dated" perhaps.

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OK, but where, exactly, is the "fat" in the current design that Ives is supposedly being charged with removing?

1. The 17" iMac was designed for a G5. In moving from G5 to less-heat Intel, the cooling is clearly less complicated. Altho if they put two Core 2 Duo chips in it, it will minimize this gain.
2. The 20" and 24" iMacs have extra space inside. It seems they kept the 17" proportions, including the chin, for aesthetic reasons, so if the 17" is going away, the 20" and 24" versions can definitely shrink.
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...even if new iMacs are using the latest Intel chipset, I don't recall reading about radical reductions in power consumption/heat... radically downsized? Don't buy it.

Very good point. I believe that the hard drive and the cd/dvd drive makes the most heat, so unless Apple is going to do the laptop parts in a desktop strategy, I don't think they save much space.
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I hope you can replace the hard drive without taking the case apart. That would be nice...

Whereas the original iMac G5 provided easy access by simply turning 3 screws and lifting off the back cover, the latest iMacs are a huge step back in serviceability. Apple wants to make spiffy looking iMacs and they don't give a damn about serviceability. They are like used car salesmaen. All they care about is ringing up the cash register. If there are any problems, they want to just dump all the service issues on the technicians.
post #70 of 284
Thinner body, reduced chin (though a form of chin will still remain, it denotes a 'machine' as opposed to simply a display), smarter pedestal, latest Intel chips (which aren't that exciting), maybe low power quad for the high end, maybe some flash for boot state saving, available in black as well a white etc..... Not rocket science really.

NO TOUCHSCREEN
post #71 of 284
It's possible that they'll move some of the components back to the base (like the sunflower iMac, but not such a large base) in order to lose the chin. I'm not sure how they would do this exactly, but that would be one possibility they'll have looked at in the redesign.
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GTSC (hah! love the name) :: you have some excellent feedback there. :thumbs up:

However, I am afraid the chin will be gone. Chin is old skool, IMHO (not that I am a product design expert, but I sense Apple Design will do away with it, they view the chin as old school and it makes the screen look smaller and not as wide as sexy shiny widescreen LCDs/ HDTVs etc.

I agree, I think Apple wants us to think of the iMac as a Home Theater computer.
With that said, my guess is the new iMac will be...
1) Black
2) Chinless
3) Have full height stereo speaker grills on the two sides of the screen.
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Whereas the original iMac G5 provided easy access by simply turning 3 screws and lifting off the back cover, the latest iMacs are a huge step back in serviceability. Apple wants to make spiffy looking iMacs and they don't give a damn about serviceability. They are like used car salesmaen. All they care about is ringing up the cash register. If there are any problems, they want to just dump all the service issues on the technicians.

In order to get the intel transition done in a timely fashion, Apple outsourced much of the design of the iMac CoreDuo to intel. The iMac G5 was all done in house, hense the difference in design. My guess is that this revision might be done in house again and will clean up the insides to meet Apple's high stadards.
post #74 of 284
All this talk of a new imac design is good and all but im a little worried about when this is supposed to happen. I intend to buy an imac for university but was thinking about when i would do it. I thought that maybe it would be a good idea to wait until i actually go to uni in october and use the HE discount they get to buy the £799 machine at a discounted price. Now i found out the £799 17'' model may even completely go or have massively nerfed specs. I really hope this doesnt happen before i go uni- i suppose i could get a larger 20'' model using the discount and not loose out that much. It's slightly frustrating though.
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I agree, I think Apple wants us to think of the iMac as a Home Theater computer.
With that said, my guess is the new iMac will be...
1) Black
2) Chinless
3) Have full height stereo speaker grills on the two sides of the screen.

Do you really want to use the crappy built-in speakers for a home theater?

I've had my iMac since December and have hardly noticed the chin. I'm too busy staring at the actual screen.

What I would like is the capacity to outfit it with 2 hard drives for use with Time Machine. I don't want to have to fuss with an external hard drive for this functionality.

If we're going with a wish list, I'd like a Blu-Ray Drive installed and an Apple Remote with fuller function set.
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new design coming.

heck it could just be 'black'. This says nothing.

From what I'm told, the problem with Apple doing that is once you go black you can never go back.
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Do you really want to use the crappy built-in speakers for a home theater?

I've had my iMac since December and have hardly noticed the chin. I'm too busy staring at the actual screen.

What I would like is the capacity to outfit it with 2 hard drives for use with Time Machine. I don't want to have to fuss with an external hard drive for this functionality.

If we're going with a wish list, I'd like a Blu-Ray Drive installed and an Apple Remote with fuller function set.

I like the dual HDDs idea.

I think the small remote is good for most people as I think it's seldom used. However, I think Apple should offer a full featured remote, with multi-device functionality as a separate and upgrade option.

I feel that Blu-ray has one the war, but I don't think that Blu-ray/DVD players/burners in an iMac is prudent at this point. I believe that we'll see it as an option in the Mac Pro first, then well see as an option in the larger iMac, and then a default in Mac Pros, and finally a defualt in the iMacs.
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It's possible that they'll move some of the components back to the base (like the sunflower iMac, but not such a large base) in order to lose the chin. I'm not sure how they would do this exactly, but that would be one possibility they'll have looked at in the redesign.

The Macbook Pro is only 15" and it has pretty much the same components so it should actually be quite easy for a 20".

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to the poster who thought it could be pulled off and used like a tablet. i highly doubt this, if the 17 inch is being ruled out, i don't want to carry a 24 inch screen around the house for fun.

Sure but what if you could lie it down at an angle like an architect's desk? This would make it just like those movies that were posted on the internet about multi-touch screens. This would be a godsend for creative pros now that CS3 is coming. Can you imagine the people who do CG painting for a living - some of their work in Photoshop is incredible, but they will be spending hundreds on the latest wacoms. If the iMac hits a low enough price point, this would be a major hit with them. It's also better as you get much more accurate hand eye coordination.
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I have been expecting a redesign + speed bump since last September. I no longer care for Apple's Pro tower line because iMacs are so well-designed and functional with just enough power and speed.

I wouldn't expect touch-screen macs anytime soon. The technology might be there, but they need the software and market demand to catch up to it. Besides, touch-screen interactivity will force end-users to change their ways of working. So by forcing techonology on people who aren't ready for it, might actually be a bad thing.

One thing I really like to see on a re-designed iMac is to have the option for wall mount on the 24-in model. I like the idea of centralizing my computing needs with entertainment. Screw HDTV, give me a HD iMac, where I can watch TV, HD DVD, playing my xbox360/PS3... give me the power to multi-task without clutter... this to me would be the ultimate redesign.
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