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Approximately one out of every ten iPhone 3G buyers are likely to be international pre-paid subscribers who'll find themselves paying in excess of $600 for the touch screen handset, according to a new report.

Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster estimates that 53 percent of Apple's total addressable market for the new 3G mobile phone will be pre-paid customers who'd forgo lengthy service agreements, and thus wouldn't be privy to hefty subsidies offered to those buyers who'd sign multi-year contracts with carriers.

Therefor, pre-paid subscribes will in all likelihood wind up paying in excess of $600 for the new touch-screen handset, he said. The estimate assumes Apple charges carriers an average $425 for the new phone and those carriers then turn around and mark up the pre-paid handsets another $175 or so to turn a profit.

Given those costs are around three times more than the $199 subsidized price Apple and its wireless partners plan to charge contract customers for an 8GB iPhone 3G, the analyst believes pre-paid customers won't make up a proportionate share of global iPhone sales -- a belief he's factored into his current model.

More specifically, Munster's model calls for Apple to sell 12.9 million iPhones in 2008 and 45 million in 2009, which would garner the Cupertino-based company a 17 percent slice of the global smartphone market by the end of next year. Of the 2.9 million iPhones in 2008, he estimates 2.7 million will be purchased by pre-paid subscribers. In 2009, he sees just 5.7 million of the 45 million units going to pre-paid customers.

"While 17 percent may seem aggressive, Apple currently has 20 percent in North American driven by a $400 priced phone," he told clients. "We only expect Apple to have 20 percent or greater smartphone share in two regions, North America and EMEA (Europe, the Middle East and Africa)."



Munster issued his report on Monday mainly to address growing concerns amongst Apple investors who had begun to believe that the impact of selling iPhones in heavily prepaid markets would substantially dilute the global opportunity for the handset.

Those investors were acting on the misconception that more than half of potential iPhone customers would be forced to pay $600 or more for the new 3G handset, when in actuality that number is more likely closer to 15 percent, or 1 out of every 10 units sold, according to Munster's models.

The Piper Jaffray analyst and his team maintain a Buy rating and $250 price target on shares of Apple.
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i will be happy to get a unlocked 3G iphone for 450 €
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Hmmmmm, another price gouge by Apple- not really surprising anymore. I am starting to think they may be worse than Msoft after all these ridiculous price increases. Jobs has really gone downhill.
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$600? That is insane. Although I guess it'll mean they'll have resalve value after a year when the new model comes out.
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If it's more than the $199 Jobs promised i'm not taking the bait.
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I don't understand why apple doesn't just sell iphones for all wireless service providers. Wouldn't they make more money that way?
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$600? That is insane. Although I guess it'll mean they'll have resalve value after a year when the new model comes out.

just look @ the iPhone 2G used market. There's no sign of a decrease in value until now!
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At just £300 for a prepaid iPhone, it'll fit in perfectly and sell like hotcakes over here.

To the other UK reader above - the US$199 was for the contract version, and yes if you check O2's prices - that equates to £99 in their pricing structure.

For once we're not being screwed on this side of the pond.
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I don't understand why apple doesn't just sell iphones for all wireless service providers. Wouldn't they make more money that way?

in some countries apple actually sell with more than one provider! i think in europe austria, italy and switzerland are countries with that multi-provider approach...

in the countries where there's an exclusive agreement in place apple gets money from those providers. apple gets paid for that exclusivity!
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To the other UK reader above - the US$199 was for the contract version, and yes if you check O2's prices - that equates to £99 in their pricing structure.

I didn't hear Jobs say anything about contract prices. But i did hear him say of the initial 22 countries that would be receiving the phone: "and in almost everyone of these countries the price is a MAXIMUM of $199". So i guess the Caveat is in the world "almost".

Like i said in another post, lets just hope Apple's 3rd party friends don't rain on Apple's parade.
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$600? That is insane. Although I guess it'll mean they'll have resalve value after a year when the new model comes out.

That is not insane you putz... If you remember correctly last June Apple was selling an inferior, slower, 8GB IPHONE without GPS for $599.

It makes sense for apple to make nice with AT&T since AT&T is paying them over $200 per phone.

$199 is the magic price for alot of people to buy an IPHONE.. .$600 is the price unlockers will have to pay.

Makes sense to me.
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So if there is a way to make the phone work with pay as you go (US) and its $20 a month data plan, the higher price per unit still works out cheaper. I pay $100 per year for a pay as you go account.


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$600 iPhone
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$1280

Normal:
$299 iPhone
$1680 Data + voice
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$1979
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I don't understand why apple doesn't just sell iphones for all wireless service providers. Wouldn't they make more money that way?

In the short term they would, but Apple appears to be looking at things differently than most people and companies. There are plenty of reasons why Apple is pairing with carriers: some technical, some psychological. I'll post them later if someone else doesn't get to it first.

PS: By all, I assume you mean all GSM carriers with certain 3G radios, because if you mean all carriers then Apple has to create different versions for many different carriers. Just in the US they would need at least 3 models.

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$600? That is insane. Although I guess it'll mean they'll have resalve value after a year when the new model comes out.

Insane for what? A basic cell phone, sure. A smartphone, no.
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That is not insane you putz...

Your point comes across better without the personal attack.

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So if there is a way to make the phone work with pay as you go (US) and its $20 a month data plan, the higher price per unit still works out cheaper.

So far there are no pay-as-you-go plans for the next iPhone with AT&T. If you can unlock it*, then you may benefit from that if they don't increase the data rate. But I think they will increase it to $30/month or more.

* It appears that buying the iPhone outright does not get you a factory unlock, but instead just frees you from having a contractual obligation to AT&T.
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According to AT&T, the deal has been renegotiated and that's no longer true.

I've only read bout he profit sharing being nixed. AT&T is still holding getting an exclusivity to the iPhone, which they will be paying to Apple as the subsidy. That breaks down to AT&T payng a little more for each handset than it would if there were on exclusivity, though with AT&T being the only major carrier in the US that can use a HSDPA iPhone they really shouldn't be too concerned.
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Hmmmmm, another price gouge by Apple- not really surprising anymore. I am starting to think they may be worse than Msoft after all these ridiculous price increases. Jobs has really gone downhill.

Let's see. You can a Nokia N95 and it will cost you between $440 and $785.

There is an interesting comparison of the iPhone vs N95 8 GB. http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/featu...ia_N95_8GB.php

In particular, in this example, the total costs for the N95 + service plan ran about the same "or more" than for the iPhone.

Try getting a 'comparable' Blackberry for less than $600 without a plan
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...Therefor, pre-paid subscribes will in all likelihood wind up paying in excess of $600 for the new touch-screen handset, he said. The estimate assumes Apple charges carriers an average $425 for the new phone and those carriers then turn around and mark up the pre-paid handsets another $175 or so to turn a profit..

I keep see people doing math based on the idea that carriers are paying $425 to Apple for the iphone. What on earth is the based on?

It seems to be based on the idea that AT&T is offer the phone at a subzided price of $199 and therefore since subsidies are usually about $200 that they must be paying Apple about $400 for the phone. Hold it... that assumes that carriers pay MSRP for the phone! They never pay MSRP for the phone. Most phones actually cost them <$20 (reference the recent hearings before the FCC and court cases in california against Verizon et al). The subsidy is a fictitious mark down from thier advertised retail cost, not their wholesale cost

The iphone has a materials cost of about $100. This is exceptionally high for a mobile handset, even a smart phone, but I trust the tear down numbers from both sources that have independently reported them. Adding manufacturing and development costs it seems reasonable the the wholesale price could run as high as $200-$300. That is an astronomically high wholesale cost to a reseller, but believable. However people are taking what sounds to me like a $425 MSRP price and adding $175-200 in profit on top of that? To guess what the phone cost without subsidy.

Everyone also needs to be clear that the "subsidy" isn't so much about giving a customer a break on equipment as the phone companies would like you to think, it's about locking you into a contract that minimizes the carriers overhead costs attributable to marketing and churn. Signing a contract gets you not only a free/discounted phone but also a lower monthly rate and the monthly service discount is actually more valuable to the end user than the phone they subsidize. It's just not as marketable of a sales tool since it point out the unsavory side of contracts.
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Hum, let's see:

The smartphone market is running at some 20% and growing of the overall cellphone market.

Munster says the iPhone has got 20% of that 20% and he expects it to be likewise globally. Let's just say that it is so, I would expect it to be less but then there are all these subsidizing schemes going on all over and it is really different psychologically to buy at $199 than at $600.

Based on the probable subscriber list - ~1.2 billion - then 20% of 20% of 1.2 billion = 48 million.

That, I would say, is the lower expectation number. Yearly.

In reality, if there would be no Iran war, no credit market crash, no oil price manipulation and all that it's being artificially created for the profit of the same ol' same ol' handful, then I would expect Apple to sell at least 10 million iPhones per month like it now does for iPods - after all what's the big difference? Actually iPhones have bigger sales potential than iPods. But then again, if none of that were true (oil, war, etc) then I guess AAPL would be at ~200 now too.

And now for people who scream it's crazy to have a smartphone at $600 - and the iPhone is really smart, not to be confused with crappy Windows Mobile would-be-smart-but-is-incredibly-dumb phones - then what about the just released HTC Diamond?! Barrons seems to be promoting it heavily, they act like a MSFT propaganda machine! They only lack an ecommerce setup!

Months ago I bought a GPRS HTC Touch (no 3G no GPS) that is just a joke like all WM and it went for 450. That's $693! And it was inexpensive in comparison at the time! Now it goes for 299/$460. But there's the HTC Touch Dual who is 3G with sliding keyboard but no Wi-Fi or the HTC Cruise with 3G, GPS and Wi-Fi and both go for 499 or $759!

And what about the newly available HTC Diamond? It goes for 589! That, my friends, is $907 - nine hundred and seven US dollars! That's the iPhone killa! Ahahah

Still you think it's not gonna sell?! It will!! People like to flaunt their newest flashy hardware, it's like having a Rolex. Or a diamond in this case.

And many of you here like to compare Rolex with Casio on feature grounds. That is so ridiculous.

By the way, the prices I quoted are for fully unlocked models. So all in all, it's all relative.

Meanwhile, at the moment I really don't see the advantage of buying prepaid. Remember that pay-as-you-go always have more expensive data rates and in the short run (more so in the long run) the bill goes way higher than in contractual terms.

I think the prices I have been seeing for monthly unlimited data plans are more than reasonable. The other day I went on vacations and decided to check out the web on this piece of crap and in some 5 days I spent an enormous amount of money, more than any 'crazy' monthly plan!

Prepaid/pay-as-you-go iPhones will be for that track of population who want an iPhone but are really not crazy about surfing the web. Average iPhone users will want the data plans and contracts because they will want to surf the web wherever they are. If not at first, they will quickly change to those contractual plans, they will see the advantages.

Unless, of course, carriers will start to compete big time with the unlimited data plans and you will want the freedom to hop off to the next cheapest rate/carrier available - in which case you will want to buy unlocked. Not so in the US, there's no such freedom in the land of supposed freedom.

Here in Europe there is (that freedom) and the norm is buying unlocked smartphones more than contract ones. Actually, in my country carriers only offer PDAphone/smartphones in professional / corporate contracts! So you have no choice but to go to the retailer and buy that shiny new HTC. My preferred retailer - FNAC - also carries Macs and their no questions money back guarantee is hands down the best. I really hope they get the iPhone like the German retailer is getting. Actually it wouldn't make any sense not to.
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I don't like the tone of this article. It makes it sound like people are being "victimized" by Apple for pricing their handset at a price that makes it unaffordable to most.

In a related news item, I am launching a campaign against Bugatti for pricing the Veyron beyond the reaches of my meager income. How dare they!

Instead of $1.25 million, why not $12,500?

C'mon Apple, make something crappy and price it at $49.99 or, better yet, FREE!
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In a related news item, I am launching a campaign against Bugatti for pricing the Veyron beyond the reaches of my meager income. How dare they!

I've read that Volkwagon is losing money on each Veyron; that each only cost many times more than the price they are being sold at.

PS: Top Gear started a new series/season last night. WOOT!
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Anyone that says this device is over priced at $600 simply doesn't know what they are talking about. $600 is an excellent price for such a phone, and is priced in my cases under it's inferior competitors, like the Blackberry and the Nokia N95 for example.
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Because the iPhone uses GSM/GPRS/EDGE and the "iPhone 3G" will add UMTS/HSDPA to that list, but Verizon and Sprint both use CDMA2000/EVDO while T-Mobile uses non-standard frequencies for their GSM/EDGE network. No clue why they didn't offer it to multiple carriers in the UK, France, and Germany.



According to AT&T, the deal has been renegotiated and that's no longer true.

Sebastian

first, tmobile USA uses frequencies that the iPhone 2G can use! 2G=EDGE/GPRS
Tmobile USA uses 3G frequencies that need quad-band 3G chips, but the quad-band 2G chip in the "old" iPhone 2G can be used with tmobile USA. Only the iPhone 3G can' t run on tmobiles' 3G network...

Second, att still buys the iPhone from apple! The only thing att doesn't do with the iphone 3G is to share talk-time revenue!!!
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Anyone that says this device is over priced at $600 simply doesn't know what they are talking about. $600 is an excellent price for such a phone, and is priced in my cases under it's inferior competitors, like the Blackberry and the Nokia N95 for example.

Yes, comparatively speaking, it is an excellent price.
Then again, no phone should really cost $600, smartphone or otherwise.
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That's a ridiculous thing to say. It's like saying "No car should cost over $1000". It simply has no basis in fact. If you think about the research and the parts that go into the "phone" (it's really a very small computer), $600 is completely reasonable. Like I say, it's a small computer. What type of laptop can you buy for $600? Do you complain about that too?
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In the short term they would, but Apple appears to be looking at things differently than most people and companies. There are plenty of reasons why Apple is pairing with carriers: some technical, some psychological. I'll post them later if someone else doesn't get to it first.

PS: By all, I assume you mean all GSM carriers with certain 3G radios, because if you mean all carriers then Apple has to create different versions for many different carriers. Just in the US they would need at least 3 models.


Insane for what? A basic cell phone, sure. A smartphone, no.

My friend, I agree with you on about 99% of what you write, but the iPhone is not a smartphone. It is a media phone, or iPod with phone, or whatever, but smart is not what it is.
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Let's see. You can a Nokia N95 and it will cost you between $440 and $785.

There is an interesting comparison of the iPhone vs N95 8 GB. http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/featu...ia_N95_8GB.php

In particular, in this example, the total costs for the N95 + service plan ran about the same "or more" than for the iPhone.

Try getting a 'comparable' Blackberry for less than $600 without a plan

Welcome to the world of unsubsidized phones. In Europe and the rest of the world, they pay real world prices.

I have a Nokia N82 that cost 440. Do the math.

By the way, Abster2core, my post was not directed at you but the guy you quoted. I was too lazy to go back. Sorry.
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My friend, I agree with you on about 99% of what you write, but the iPhone is not a smartphone. It is a media phone, or iPod with phone, or whatever, but smart is not what it is.

How do you define "smartphone"? Since it's a marketing term you can't say it isn't a smartphone without telling me how you would define it.

I define it as a phone that has focused features that are well above the normal cellphone's features. Not having cut and paste doesn't make it any less a smartphone, but it does it make it less of a business smartphone, IMO.
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So if there is a way to make the phone work with pay as you go (US) and its $20 a month data plan, the higher price per unit still works out cheaper. I pay $100 per year for a pay as you go account.


Pay as you go:
$600 iPhone
$480 Montly data 24 mos
$200 24 mos pay as you go
====
$1280

Normal:
$299 iPhone
$1680 Data + voice
====
$1979



These prices will depend on whether or not that $20.00 pay as you go fee will include some data amount? I would love to get an iPhone with pay as you go but if the PSYG does not include internet access then the iphone would be useless to me and for most of the apps. lets hope there will be a usefull legal PAYG option, that would be great.
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How do you define "smartphone"? Since it's a marketing term you can't say it isn't a smartphone without telling me how you would define it.

I define it as a phone that has focused features are well above the normal cellphone's features. Not having cut and paste doesn't make it any less a smartphone, but it does it make it less of a business smartphone, IMO.

Here is a fast an loose definition of a smartphone:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone

For me a smartphone is one that has similar features found here:

http://www.nokia.co.uk/A4688582

and here: http://www.nokia.co.uk/A4368371

finally here:

http://www.nokia.co.uk/A4353372

Some missing ingredients from the iPhone in my opinion that would make it a smartphone:

1. the ability to send files
2. sending and receiving vcards
3. general OBEX support
4. BT support for tethering or simply data transfer.

Naturally there are other things, but I do like your focused device appraisal. I think this best defines the iPhone. Now that I think of it, maybe this is intentionally done by Apple. Leave it ambiguous so that the iPhone is all things to all people.
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Hmmmmm, another price gouge by Apple- not really surprising anymore. I am starting to think they may be worse than Msoft after all these ridiculous price increases. Jobs has really gone downhill.

Hmmmm, an MS TROLL????? Then, I am not taking the bait. Maybe the phone should be priced at the same as the Motorola Q $99 (plus a much more expensive plan :-) )

PS 399 to 199 is a price decrease. ATT is charging more for the plan.
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My friend, I agree with you on about 99% of what you write, but the iPhone is not a smartphone. It is a media phone, or iPod with phone, or whatever, but smart is not what it is.

Maybe not, but its a lot smarter than all the other phones out there. And since its fully software programable, just wait for all the 3rd party software to come out. WOOT

Just a thought
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My friend, I agree with you on about 99% of what you write, but the iPhone is not a smartphone. It is a media phone, or iPod with phone, or whatever, but smart is not what it is.

i disagree! the iphone is a smartphone, and it will get smarter with every OS update... the 1st gen. iphone will not be far behind the iphone #G, the only real difference is the 3G-module and the GPS-module. and the 2h additional talk time, 8h iphone 2G, compared to the 10h talk time of the new iphone 3G...

the keyboard and screen are very smart, in fact the smartest in the market! apple has always tried to make it as easy as possible... i think for a 1st gen. OS the iphone osX 1.1.4 is awesome...

i owned a treo650 before, and the only thing i'm really missing is my tomtom navigation software!!! i think apple has to allow tomtom to publish their navigator software for the iphone, new and old, and include a working bluetooth stack which lets bluetooth GPS receivers connect and that way allow real-time GPS-navigation... added by the WPS/GSM-triangulation capability the iphone 2G/3G has a clear advantage over the other smartphones that don't have that... my old treo didn't have wifi which means no WPS-triangulation for those "smart"phones....

A-GPS, assisted by WPS, is awesome! it will allow for a much more precise and faster first fix for the A-GPS module!!!
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Hmmmm, an MS TROLL????? Then, I am not taking the bait. Maybe the phone should be priced at the same as the Motorola Q $99 (plus a much more expensive plan :-) )

PS 399 to 199 is a price decrease. ATT is charging more for the plan.
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I think is is a bit unfair to call anyone who mentions something good about MS and bad about Apple a troll. In this case, it would simply make the original poster a bit uninformed but surly not a troll.

Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft. Does that make me a troll or just someone that says Microsoft? This attitude that Apple can do no wrong and that Steve Jobs is your best friend is pure bunk. Apple screws up like the rest. They have a few out of court settlements to attest to their misdeeds, and Steve Jobs is only loyal to the current Mrs. Jobs, his kids, and his board (not necessarily in that order).
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I think is is a bit unfair to call anyone who mentions something good about MS and bad about Apple a troll. In this case, it would simply make the original poster a bit uninformed but surly not a troll.

Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft. Does that make me a troll or just someone that says Microsoft? This attitude that Apple can do no wrong and that Steve Jobs is your best friend is pure bunk. Apple screws up like the rest. They have a few out of court settlements to attest to their misdeeds, and Steve Jobs is only loyal to the current Mrs. Jobs, his kids, and his board (not necessarily in that order).

i agree with you!

for my part i'm so disappointed with M$ because they had such a huge potential to develop good stuff, and they didn't! they chose to sit on their buds and milk their consumer and business clients... but it looks like finally there's competition on the horizon... google and apple hopefully rival M$ successfully....
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Maybe not, but its a lot smarter than all the other phones out there. And since its fully software programable, just wait for all the 3rd party software to come out. WOOT

Just a thought

Really?


Can you send files with an iPhone? Exchange biz cards? Does it have A2DP. How about real BT support? Can it tether to a computer? Survey says: No. But what it does, it does extremely well. I think solipism's definition of an iPhone is spot on. While not necessarily being smart, it ain't quite dumb either.

Just a thought as well.
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i disagree! the iphone is a smartphone, and it will get smarter with every OS update... the 1st gen. iphone will not be far behind the iphone #G, the only real difference is the 3G-module and the GPS-module. and the 2h additional talk time, 8h iphone 2G, compared to the 10h talk time of the new iphone 3G...

the keyboard and screen are very smart, in fact the smartest in the market! apple has always tried to make it as easy as possible... i think for a 1st gen. OS the iphone osX 1.1.4 is awesome...

i owned a treo650 before, and the only thing i'm really missing is my tomtom navigation software!!! i think apple has to allow tomtom to publish their navigator software for the iphone, new and old, and include a working bluetooth stack which lets bluetooth GPS receivers connect and that way allow real-time GPS-navigation... added by the WPS/GSM-triangulation capability the iphone 2G/3G has a clear advantage over the other smartphones that don't have that... my old treo didn't have wifi which means no WPS-triangulation for those "smart"phones....

A-GPS, assisted by WPS, is awesome! it will allow for a much more precise and faster first fix for the A-GPS module!!!

Well, coming from a background where I have used nothing but smartphones, from Ericsson, then Sony Ericsson, Nokia ( I had the original Communicator, #102 off the production line), and I can say in terms of smartphone features, the iPhone is lacking. A keyboard is great but what if you do not have the basics like OBEX support? How about sending files or receiving them? These are smartphone features. The iPhone is a specially targeted device with some pretty cool smoke and mirrors and outstanding software (this is the winner here). Other phones have GPS. I will put my N82 up against an iPhone 3G when it comes out (I plan to get one anyway) and I am quite sure the N82 will stack up. For me, for me, for me, the iPhone is a great media device that has new and improved telephone functions. Many to most of the things it brings, I have had before, but for me the 3G was a critical component that was missing. This is a debate that can go round and round and in fact it should. Apple should maybe take a peek and see how to improve for the next version.
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Really?


Can you send files with an iPhone? Exchange biz cards? Does it have A2DP. How about real BT support? Can it tether to a computer? Survey says: No. But what it does, it does extremely well. I think solipism's definition of an iPhone is spot on. While not necessarily being smart, it ain't quite dumb either.

Just a thought as well.

my businnes info is my email signature. and i send photos with my iphone... next iphone osX releases will for sure include the ability to edit and send office/iwork documents... just a question of time... for the old and new iphone... since both have the same prozessor there's no need to fear that apple will not upgrade the "old" iphone with the new features....
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Important Note:: Prepaid does not equal Unlocked. It is two, very, very, very different things.
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... Jobs Has Really Gone Downhill.



I guess myself, I don't know if I'm happy that the contract price went down, or the prepaid price went up? I think one of the reason Jobs looks under the weather is that he can't figure out how to please everyone. Which no human can.

By the way, many people around the world face much bigger problems, no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to buy an iPhone. If all Apple products turned into salt tomorrow, the world would (probably) go on. For better or worse, that's up to the people.
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