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The Good:

SDW is engaged! It happened last Friday night, and I'm thrilled. As many of you know this is my second time around, so to speak. We're looking at sometime next year...
originally thinking June).

The Bad:

My brother is getting married August 8th. I asked him if it would be a problem if we did it before his, and he didn't think so. Then he talked to his bride-to-be. She basically had a hissy fit and now I'm told it "would be extremely hard on her." Ugh. They feel it would take something away from them, especially since neither has been married before. Having it after theirs is very difficult though, especially since my sister is getting married next fall too! (which she sprung on us when I told her I was engaged). I also will have trouble taking off of work in the fall. Keep in mind that the bride will be pissed if it's ANY TIME before her wedding. My initial thought is to explain that this is how it has to be and explain further that there is no intention of taking anything away. We may also do it earlier (before Easter). AHHHHHH!!!!!!

What is the etiquette on this? Any help is appreciated! \
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post #2 of 43
Seems like you're in the dog house because it's your second. August is a long way off. Kind of unfair of your brother's future nightmare claim ownership of the next 10 months. I would say a 6 month buffer is more than fair.

Sounds like you'll have to have a sit down and figure it all out.
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The Good:

SDW is engaged! It happened last Friday night, and I'm thrilled. As many of you know this is my second time around, so to speak. We're looking at sometime next year...
originally thinking June).

The Bad:

My brother is getting married August 8th. I asked him if it would be a problem if we did it before his, and he didn't think so. Then he talked to his bride-to-be. She basically had a hissy fit and now I'm told it "would be extremely hard on her." Ugh. They feel it would take something away from them, especially since neither has been married before. Having it after theirs is very difficult though, especially since my sister is getting married next fall too! (which she sprung on us when I told her I was engaged). I also will have trouble taking off of work in the fall. Keep in mind that the bride will be pissed if it's ANY TIME before her wedding. My initial thought is to explain that this is how it has to be and explain further that there is no intention of taking anything away. We may also do it earlier (before Easter). AHHHHHH!!!!!!

What is the etiquette on this? Any help is appreciated! \

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Congrats!!

What to do in your shoes???

I have no idea...

Run off to Vegas or something


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Thinking about it!
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post #5 of 43
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Seems like you're in the dog house because it's your second. August is a long way off. Kind of unfair of your brother's future nightmare claim ownership of the next 10 months. I would say a 6 month buffer is more than fair.

Sounds like you'll have to have a sit down and figure it all out.

"Future nightmare." =

I agree, I think. One can't "x" out the next 10 months like that. It's really more is fiance I think. She's a great girl, but a bit of a princess.
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"Future nightmare." =

I agree, I think. One can't "x" out the next 10 months like that. It's really more is fiance I think. She's a great girl, but a bit of a princess.

I know it may seem suspicious, coming from a godless liberal, but in my book family is the most important thing in the world.

I think the question you should ask yourself is "just how difficult will it be to wait a while? Alienate the new member of the family and quite possibly your brother difficult?" Does your intended have strong feelings about the matter, or is just logistics?

This is one of those times that I don't think it does much good to focus on what's "fair." Nobody cares about fair away on down the road, when what you'll have are memories and time well spent or not.

Is it worth it to get off on the wrong foot and possibly put something in motion that you'll always regret, just because you know you're right?

I say be a good guy and keep the peace. If you've found the right person a few months won't matter.
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post #7 of 43
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I know it may seem suspicious, coming from a godless liberal, but in my book family is the most important thing in the world.


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I think the question you should ask yourself is "just how difficult will it be to wait a while? Alienate the new member of the family and quite possibly your brother difficult?" Does your intended have strong feelings about the matter, or is just logistics?

This is one of those times that I don't think it does much good to focus on what's "fair." Nobody cares about fair away on down the road, when what you'll have are memories and time well spent or not.

Is it worth it to get off on the wrong foot and possibly put something in motion that you'll always regret, just because you know you're right?

I say be a good guy and keep the peace. If you've found the right person a few months won't matter.

Well events have unfolded a bit further. I spoke to my brother yesterday We got into it pretty heavy. I've been told that not only will they be "very upset" if we get married anytime before their wedding, but if it's a month or two after as well. So what they've done is squatted all of 2009. I communicated that this was not a reasonable position by any standard whatsoever. Essentially, his finance is "a wreck" about this already, and we've "already taken something away from their wedding." Wow.

My fiance (edited, thanks tonton) spoke to his, and while it was a reasonable conversation, it's clear that his fiance (thanks again, tonton!) is absolutely out of her mind with this wedding thing (see her comments above). We mentioned that we don't want to impinge on their wedding, but that we can't see how having it 2-4 months before or a month after is really a problem for anyone. Basically what this comes down to is she wants the spotlight on her for a good 6 months and feels entitled because they have been together 5 years and now it's "their time."

And adda, I hear you about not upsetting the family and thinking of the long term. However, my problem with that is this: Shouldn't my brother and his fiance consider this as well? I mean, it doesn't seem like there is any consideration as to what my finance and I (and my family) will think of his bride-to-be.

The bottom line is that I think they'll feel a little better if it's as far away from their wedding as possible. So we're looking at either June or April, over my spring break. Beyond that, I can't control their feelings or reaction. There is a certain point where everyone is going to have to be an adult, not a princess.
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post #8 of 43
Congratulations! All the very best to you and your future spouse.
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post #9 of 43
Have it in the same month, or better yet...the week before, and make it a Star Wars themed wedding.
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post #10 of 43
How is this even an issue? If she has the level of maturity of a 6 year old spoiled princess, then she needs to be shown the real world. To pander to her demands at this point is the same as giving into a child throwing a tantrum. Sure, it would shut her up for now, but it would set a precedent and one that would be hard to break.

Now, why don't you and you fiance tell her how she is taking away from your wedding. Is this your fiance's first time round? If so, then she has as much right to make demands on your brother's fiance that she is placing on you guys. More so, since your actions are not meant to negatively impact anyone else, while hers are only in her interests. She is actively acting in a way to 'ruin' your wedding, while you guys seem to be going out of your way to accommodate her, or to trying to.

I would approach her and your brother and in all seriousness ask them when they will allow you to hold your wedding, actually ask them to set the date for you. I would put it just like that and maybe they will clue in to how ridiculous that sounds. I wouldn't be rude or belligerent, but simply let them hear for themselves what they are really asking of you, that is permission to set a date for your own wedding.

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post #11 of 43
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How is this even an issue? If she has the level of maturity of a 6 year old spoiled princess, then she needs to be shown the real world. To pander to her demands at this point is the same as giving into a child throwing a tantrum. Sure, it would shut her up for now, but it would set a precedent and one that would be hard to break.

Now, why don't you and you fiance tell her how she is taking away from your wedding. Is this your fiance's first time round? If so, then she has as much right to make demands on your brother's fiance that she is placing on you guys. More so, since your actions are not meant to negatively impact anyone else, while hers are only in her interests. She is actively acting in a way to 'ruin' your wedding, while you guys seem to be going out of your way to accommodate her, or to trying to.

I would approach her and your brother and in all seriousness ask them when they will allow you to hold your wedding, actually ask them to set the date for you. I would put it just like that and maybe they will clue in to how ridiculous that sounds. I wouldn't be rude or belligerent, but simply let them hear for themselves what they are really asking of you, that is permission to set a date for your own wedding.

Well, I completely agree. As for the last part, it's funny...we've not been told not to have it...we've been told there will be "long term repercussions." This is, of course, a threat. Everyone I've spoken to about this is ASTOUNDED at their attitude. I agree...she is acting a like spoiled little princess. I've lost a lot of respect for her over the past few days.
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post #12 of 43
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Have it in the same month, or better yet...the week before, and make it a Star Wars themed wedding.



Or we could have a straight-up competition to see who has the better wedding, since that is what she is concerned about. Maybe we could rig it so we'd lose overwhelmingly.
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Well events have unfolded a bit further. I spoke to my brother yesterday We got into it pretty heavy. I've been told that not only will they be "very upset" if we get married anytime before their wedding, but if it's a month or two after as well. So what they've done is squatted all of 2009. I communicated that this was not a reasonable position by any standard whatsoever. Essentially, his finance is "a wreck" about this already, and we've "already taken something away from their wedding." Wow.

My finance spoke to his, and while it was a reasonable conversation, it's clear that his finance is absolutely out of her mind with this wedding thing (see her comments above). We mentioned that we don't want to impinge on their wedding, but that we can't see how having it 2-4 months before or a month after is really a problem for anyone. Basically what this comes down to is she wants the spotlight on her for a good 6 months and feels entitled because they have been together 5 years and now it's "their time."

And adda, I hear you about not upsetting the family and thinking of the long term. However, my problem with that is this: Shouldn't my brother and his fiance consider this as well? I mean, it doesn't seem like there is any consideration as to what my finance and I (and my family) will think of his bride-to-be.

The bottom line is that I think they'll feel a little better if it's as far away from their wedding as possible. So we're looking at either June or April, over my spring break. Beyond that, I can't control their feelings or reaction. There is a certain point where everyone is going to have to be an adult, not a princess.

Well, I guess I agree with you, then. Waiting for a while after their marriage qualifies as "going along to get along", being expected to allow 6 months does seem a tad insane.

I still say that, if it's all the same to you, sticking to your guns just to make a point about not being bullied isn't that great a call. Seems like have the bad feelings in the world come down to everybody not wanting to get bossed around, when in the final analysis a lot of that stuff just doesn't matter, much.

But if you are eager to tie the knot and you've already made an effort to accommodate, I say kill you brother's finance, harvest her organs, and bake them into your wedding cake.

I have a hard time with the middle part between "bending over backwards" and "psychotic freak out."
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post #14 of 43
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Well, I guess I agree with you, then. Waiting for a while after their marriage qualifies as "going along to get along", being expected to allow 6 months does seem a tad insane.

I still say that, if it's all the same to you, sticking to your guns just to make a point about not being bullied isn't that great a call. Seems like have the bad feelings in the world come down to everybody not wanting to get bossed around, when in the final analysis a lot of that stuff just doesn't matter, much.

But if you are eager to tie the knot and you've already made an effort to accommodate, I say kill you brother's finance, harvest her organs, and bake them into your wedding cake.

I have a hard time with the middle part between "bending over backwards" and "psychotic freak out."

\ Oooookkk then!

One thing I should say is this isn't about sticking to my guns. It's really about the fact that we want to get married sometime next year. There are better times than others...for example June is better than October. But yeah....none of that matters to them apparently. The point is that they "won't be happy" unless we get married significantly later than them...like around the end of the Mayan calendar.
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post #15 of 43
It sounds like your brother would be better off without her - get married when you like and hopefully she will get so mad she decides not to wed. (only half kidding...)
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post #16 of 43
One has to wonder what large families do.


Consult some wedding etiquette if you need to.
post #17 of 43
I don't think you've answered a pretty important question that Tulkas asked above: Is this your future wife's first marriage? If so, I agree that she has every right to have whatever wedding, whenever she likes.....within reason of course. Meaning, maybe not in the same month as your brother's, but otherwise, let your fiance plan the wedding she wants (and you both can afford).

But if it is a second marriage for both of you, are you really planning on doing the "big production" again? Something much less formal and a bit more low-key this time is probably best if you've both been through it before.
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Maybe I missed this, but has your fiance been married before?

Oh, and CONGRATS!
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I don't think you've answered a pretty important question that Tulkas asked above: Is this your future wife's first marriage? If so, I agree that she has every right to have whatever wedding, whenever she likes.....within reason of course. Meaning, maybe not in the same month as your brother's, but otherwise, let your fiance plan the wedding she wants (and you both can afford).

But if it is a second marriage for both of you, are you really planning on doing the "big production" again? Something much less formal and a bit more low-key this time is probably best if you've both been through it before.

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Maybe I missed this, but has your fiance been married before?

Oh, and CONGRATS!

Thanks guys. This is her first wedding. She's not obsessed with "the wedding" though...we just want to get married. She does want a nice wedding, but it doesn't have to be a blowout. It's looking like my Spring break now...April 4th. That's 4 months prior to my brother's, so if they are upset, go figure.
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Thanks guys. This is her first wedding. She's not obsessed with "the wedding" though...we just want to get married. She does want a nice wedding, but it doesn't have to be a blowout. It's looking like my Spring break now...April 4th. That's 4 months prior to my brother's, so if they are upset, go figure.

If that's the case, and it wouldn't upset her family, then I'd accommodate your brother's bridezilla.
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If that's the case, and it wouldn't upset her family, then I'd accommodate your brother's bridezilla.

Well, "accommodating" is one thing. Not getting married anytime next year is not what I'd call accommodating. That's more like "let's cater to the princess bridezilla and give her anything she wants."
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post #22 of 43
I agree.
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post #23 of 43
SDW never never let slip the word "bridezilla" in front of her. She's not japanese is she?



Or white trash?
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Essentially, his finance is "a wreck" about this already, and we've "already taken something away from their wedding." Wow.

My finance spoke to his, and while it was a reasonable conversation, it's clear that his finance is absolutely out of her mind with this wedding thing (see her comments above).

Blame Clinton.
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Well, "accommodating" is one thing. Not getting married anytime next year is not what I'd call accommodating. That's more like "let's cater to the princess bridezilla and give her anything she wants."

If it's no big deal to either of you, then sneak off to Vegas and do it right. Or get hitched at the JP on your lunch hour.
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If it's no big deal to either of you, then sneak off to Vegas and do it right. Or get hitched at the JP on your lunch hour.

Nice. We've thought of it, actually. That said, I shouldn't say it's no big deal. She's a little younger and has never been married. Her family would flip. I think we've got it nailed down to April 4th now. That gives over 4 months for BRIDEZILLA to calm down and have the spotlight to herself.
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Blame Clinton.

Dude...I can't believe I did that. Thanks...haha.
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SDW never never let slip the word "bridezilla" in front of her. She's not japanese is she?



Or white trash?



No, she's a nice girl. But she is 100% white bread. Her last name is even White. And, there is previous wedding drama in her family. There was some issue last year with her sister's wedding and the bridesmaid choices or maid of honor choices or something. I don't know. As a man, I hear the word "bridesmaid," and this happens:

<simpsons>

Quote:
Brain: "Lets get out of here"
SDW: (whining) I caaan't..."
Brain: "Well, you can stay if you want to, I'm leaving!" (floats away)

</simpsons>


So yeah...nice girl, but she has clearly transformed into that of which we will not speak.
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post #29 of 43
You can have my planned wedding...

Get married in Malta. They speak english, the marriage is binding, there are companies that can get you into a castle if you like. Invite your parents, her parents, best man and maid/matron of honor.

The total cost was less than for a full up wedding with lots of guests (even with the pamper the hell out of the bride package I added). And it's romantic as hell and more memorable than a traditional wedding.

Hit Italy for honeymoon. Or a Med cruise. Come back and just have a few parties for families and friends.

We didn't manage to do this but I plan on taking her on this for our 10 year. We did a quickie justice of the peace followed by crusing up the california coast for the honeymoon.

We still had the parties for friends after.
post #30 of 43
Oh the beauty of this plan is multifold:

1) you can claim you bent over backwards by having your wedding in a freaking different country well away hers.
2) you can not invite them since it's so far away
3) you turn her green with envy since you got married in a freaking different country in a freaking castle.
4) its worth an assload of brownie points for being so romantic EVEN if you fail to execute as I did. I'm sure it's worth a double assload of brownie points if you DO execute.
post #31 of 43
There's always Gretna Greenif she's 16.
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I don't know what you should do, but I feel bad for your brother.
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Oh the beauty of this plan is multifold:

1) you can claim you bent over backwards by having your wedding in a freaking different country well away hers.
2) you can not invite them since it's so far away
3) you turn her green with envy since you got married in a freaking different country in a freaking castle.
4) its worth an assload of brownie points for being so romantic EVEN if you fail to execute as I did. I'm sure it's worth a double assload of brownie points if you DO execute.




I like it. However..

1) It would translate into "they are trying to outdo us!"
2) Not an option.
3) Ding ding ding ding! Winner!
4) Not with my bride to be. I mean, she'd like it I'm sure, but it wouldn't be like that. She might even say..."this castle is so GAY!"
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..."this castle is so GAY!"

Are you being serious? I hope not.

If so, she is either incredibly homophobic, or incredibly childish.
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Are you being serious? I hope not.

If so, she is either incredibly homophobic, or incredibly childish.


or she has a sense of humor. \
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I like it. However..

1) It would translate into "they are trying to outdo us!"

Yes, but plausible deniability is everything.

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2) Not an option.

Or invite and assume they wont come because of the expense.

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3) Ding ding ding ding! Winner!

Of course...she's dicking with YOUR wedding you know.

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4) Not with my bride to be. I mean, she'd like it I'm sure, but it wouldn't be like that. She might even say..."this castle is so GAY!"

No, GAY is you dressing in tights and medieval garb for the occasion...and I say that as a former scadian.

The nice thing for eloping like this is that you still get a "wedding" but all you need to do is show up. I guess that's a minus for some women. It's a lot less stress than a full up wedding at home.

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I say that as a former scadian.

Which one is you?
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It cracks me up that you never see SCA people dressing up as peasants and only pointing and grunting instead of speaking.
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It cracks me up that you never see SCA people dressing up as peasants and only pointing and grunting instead of speaking.

Sort of like people into past life regressions and reincarnation never seem to have lived brief, anonymous lives of grinding poverty.

Runs against the odds, don't it?
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Sort of like people into past life regressions and reincarnation never seem to have lived brief, anonymous lives of grinding poverty.

Runs against the odds, don't it?

It does, a bit, dunnit? I mean, when I did my past-life regression, I found out that my most recent life was in the 1930s. I worked in the mail room of an insurance agency in Des Moines for 35 years, married an unremarkable woman, took up golf, and never once got into a sword fight.
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
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Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
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