<strong>As a corollary, I would not expect a major change to the iBook for the same reason. Maybe a speed bump (perhaps this is where the "Sahara" chip is going), but no major architecture changes.</strong><hr></blockquote>Actually, the iBook has the best and most unusual deal of them all - $100 off, no strings attached.
Apple almost never does this - they usually have a mail-in rebate or "buy a <blank> and get <blank> for $100 off," or something like that.
So by your theory, the iBook should get the best update of them all!
Actually, I think it is strange that they have this iBook deal, with it already selling so well, and it having just been updated. Hmmm...
<strong>Actually, the iBook has the best and most unusual deal of them all - $100 off, no strings attached.
Apple almost never does this - they usually have a mail-in rebate or "buy a <blank> and get <blank> for $100 off," or something like that.
So by your theory, the iBook should get the best update of them all!
Actually, I think it is strange that they have this iBook deal, with it already selling so well, and it having just been updated. Hmmm...</strong><hr></blockquote>
the iBook deal is a mailin rebate.
portables are definitely not being updated. the channel is just finall getting full. it would be an inventory nightmare. I'm surprised they have introduced price cuts on the current desktops yet to clear out the channel
<strong>How is the channel on Powermacs? Usually by now the low end machine is becoming scarce.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I will ask them tonight. Maybe they can even tell me if they've been EOL'd. Though I doubt it. I guess they can look in the IM system and see but I'm not sure about that one. I'll let you know.
I've been doing some research on 'Gigawire'. From the descriptions of the trademark I've seen, it leads me to believe that it's the name for Apple's new bus technology. we've seen the specs floating around... 400MHz (is this 2X or 4X or just 1X?); will it be point-to-point; will it be 16, 32, 64 bit? How much bandwidth? We all know Apple needs some serious work in that area. I wonder if the new iMacs will share this new technology with the Powermacs. It could mean that Apple will be targeting the imac to a new market. They may have something up their sleeve.... notice how defensive Jobs became when word of the MS settlement broke.
S/He said they get shipments from Apple sometimes weekly. They're not having any problem filling their orders from the resellers and they aren't having any problems getting the machines from Apple. So as far as s/he can tell there isn't a supply shortage. They also aren't EOL'd apparently.
They don't have exact numbers of course and they assured me that all of this could change when they place their next order.
Well i just got back from my local "Apple Store" down here in Australia. The owner, let me know that Apple Australia has been on his back for weeks to clear any and all G4 stock before January. He said they don't want anything left in the channel. I thought that was interesting. Would Apple Australia know what was coming or is it just common sense ?
Yes they topped out at 466 while the Pismo was 400MHz, and the iBook was hundreds cheaper. People thought that Apple would never do anything like that but they did. My point being that the fact that iMacs are coming in Jan. doesn't necessarily mean we will see updated Powermacs. Apple could very well do exactly what they did with the Powerbook G4, do not increase processor speed, just go from a G3 to a G4.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, but Pismo also had a 100mhz BUS and a 14.1 inch TFT, removable bays, etc.
Yes, but Pismo also had a 100mhz BUS and a 14.1 inch TFT, removable bays, etc.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly my point. Powermac has a 133MHz bus, iMac has a 100MHz bus. Apple could increase the iMac processor speed and not necessarily increase the Powermac speed until later.
Thanks for the Ingram Micro info. Not a good sign if you ask me, its getting close to three weeks away...
Regarding Ingram.....that reminds me a thing that my reseller friends told me a while ago....
Back to the BW G3 to G4 time.
The distributors didn't know G4 was coming and there was NO signs at all.
After the sudden G4 announcement in Seybold 1999....there were bunch of B/W G3s left in the warehouse and the distributors couldn't even return them to Apple. They ate the loss by cutting the price in order to get rid of them. Remember that we saw some BW towers in Costco???
I wonder what Dell knows. I'm sur all major corporations have some people who try to find out what the others are up to. It wouldn't break any NDAs to release other companies' trade secrets, would it?
I doubt that will happen again. Does anyone remember the Dual 450 500 fiasco? Apple could not give away the towers they had built up in the warehouses and ended up with around 11 weeks of inventory. That hurt their share price in a big way. Apple's channel and inventory management is what helps them, they are a niche product and cannot afford especially in these times to have a lot of old product out there when something is introduced. They have been doing a VERY good job with this lately. Before the iBook announcement there were none to be found, in July the Powermacs were scarce and had 12 day ship times at the Apple Store. It makes no sense from a managament perspective to allow inventory to remain in the channel just for the element of surprise. Apple's board nor Fred Anderson would allow that....that's my guess.
After the sudden G4 announcement in Seybold 1999....there were bunch of B/W G3s left in the warehouse and the distributors couldn't even return them to Apple. They ate the loss by cutting the price in order to get rid of them. Remember that we saw some BW towers in Costco???
The same could happen again.....
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-That would be a bad thing however, because it pisses off the distributors that have to eat the costs, and it's not good business practice to piss off your distributors...
S/He said they get shipments from Apple sometimes weekly. They're not having any problem filling their orders from the resellers and they aren't having any problems getting the machines from Apple. So as far as s/he can tell there isn't a supply shortage. They also aren't EOL'd apparently.
They don't have exact numbers of course and they assured me that all of this could change when they place their next order.
So that was probably of no help whatsoever </strong><hr></blockquote>
Ingram in Belgium has 90 units on order of the low end model, they should have been delivered november 29th, they think no new delivery will be made until jan. 2002 .
Ingram in Belgium has 90 units on order of the low end model, they should have been delivered november 29th, they think no new delivery will be made until jan. 2002 .</strong><hr></blockquote>
Interesting.....though all it really says it something will be updated.....I suppose that is nothing new.
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<strong>As a corollary, I would not expect a major change to the iBook for the same reason. Maybe a speed bump (perhaps this is where the "Sahara" chip is going), but no major architecture changes.</strong><hr></blockquote>Actually, the iBook has the best and most unusual deal of them all - $100 off, no strings attached.
Apple almost never does this - they usually have a mail-in rebate or "buy a <blank> and get <blank> for $100 off," or something like that.
So by your theory, the iBook should get the best update of them all!
Actually, I think it is strange that they have this iBook deal, with it already selling so well, and it having just been updated. Hmmm...
<strong>Actually, the iBook has the best and most unusual deal of them all - $100 off, no strings attached.
Apple almost never does this - they usually have a mail-in rebate or "buy a <blank> and get <blank> for $100 off," or something like that.
So by your theory, the iBook should get the best update of them all!
Actually, I think it is strange that they have this iBook deal, with it already selling so well, and it having just been updated. Hmmm...</strong><hr></blockquote>
the iBook deal is a mailin rebate.
portables are definitely not being updated. the channel is just finall getting full. it would be an inventory nightmare. I'm surprised they have introduced price cuts on the current desktops yet to clear out the channel
<strong>Does anyone here have an Ingram Micro contact?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, why?
<strong>How is the channel on Powermacs? Usually by now the low end machine is becoming scarce.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I will ask them tonight. Maybe they can even tell me if they've been EOL'd. Though I doubt it. I guess they can look in the IM system and see but I'm not sure about that one. I'll let you know.
<strong>the iBook deal is a mailin rebate.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Only if you buy from a reseller; if you buy from the Apple Store (online, I don't know about physical), it's an instant rebate.
Now that you mention it, it is awfully unusual. Ends Dec. 31st. We'll see...
Alex
S/He said they get shipments from Apple sometimes weekly. They're not having any problem filling their orders from the resellers and they aren't having any problems getting the machines from Apple. So as far as s/he can tell there isn't a supply shortage. They also aren't EOL'd apparently.
They don't have exact numbers of course and they assured me that all of this could change when they place their next order.
So that was probably of no help whatsoever
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Yes they topped out at 466 while the Pismo was 400MHz, and the iBook was hundreds cheaper. People thought that Apple would never do anything like that but they did. My point being that the fact that iMacs are coming in Jan. doesn't necessarily mean we will see updated Powermacs. Apple could very well do exactly what they did with the Powerbook G4, do not increase processor speed, just go from a G3 to a G4.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, but Pismo also had a 100mhz BUS and a 14.1 inch TFT, removable bays, etc.
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Yes, but Pismo also had a 100mhz BUS and a 14.1 inch TFT, removable bays, etc.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly my point. Powermac has a 133MHz bus, iMac has a 100MHz bus. Apple could increase the iMac processor speed and not necessarily increase the Powermac speed until later.
Thanks for the Ingram Micro info. Not a good sign if you ask me, its getting close to three weeks away...
Back to the BW G3 to G4 time.
The distributors didn't know G4 was coming and there was NO signs at all.
After the sudden G4 announcement in Seybold 1999....there were bunch of B/W G3s left in the warehouse and the distributors couldn't even return them to Apple. They ate the loss by cutting the price in order to get rid of them. Remember that we saw some BW towers in Costco???
The same could happen again.....
After the sudden G4 announcement in Seybold 1999....there were bunch of B/W G3s left in the warehouse and the distributors couldn't even return them to Apple. They ate the loss by cutting the price in order to get rid of them. Remember that we saw some BW towers in Costco???
The same could happen again.....
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-That would be a bad thing however, because it pisses off the distributors that have to eat the costs, and it's not good business practice to piss off your distributors...
_aarons
<strong>About Ingram Micro:
S/He said they get shipments from Apple sometimes weekly. They're not having any problem filling their orders from the resellers and they aren't having any problems getting the machines from Apple. So as far as s/he can tell there isn't a supply shortage. They also aren't EOL'd apparently.
They don't have exact numbers of course and they assured me that all of this could change when they place their next order.
So that was probably of no help whatsoever
Ingram in Belgium has 90 units on order of the low end model, they should have been delivered november 29th, they think no new delivery will be made until jan. 2002 .
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Ingram in Belgium has 90 units on order of the low end model, they should have been delivered november 29th, they think no new delivery will be made until jan. 2002 .</strong><hr></blockquote>
Interesting.....though all it really says it something will be updated.....I suppose that is nothing new.
Interesting stuff......