I am not sure how MS got pulled into this. They are primary a software company. If we are talking about PCs then they are only a SW company in that regard. Apple sells HW. Even if Apple had the marketshare of HP they would still be many times smaller than MS on the OS front. It’s category that means nothing with so much being platform-agnostic. For the items that are dependent on an OS, Apple only has to maintain a high enough level to keep themselves relevant. If Apple didn’t license their OS when they had considerably less marketshare, the internet was less prolific and standards unfriendly, and they had a lot less homegrown apps for customers then there is no way that they’d license it now when none of these things affect them.
Your comment about a mass recall, the PR director being shot and your assessment that they didn’t test the HW well makes me scratch my head that you have a 3GS and that it’s working fine.
There are reasons for such actions. Apple announced the original iPhone 6 months in advance. Same goes for the AppleTV. The iPhone announcement is obvious but the AppleTV announcement is more speculative. Palm was faltering and they had to create hype for the Pre. It was the smart play, but announcing 6 months ahead isn’t always the way to go.
You’ll have to provide some examples of that that aren’t based on a simple preference. Apple doesn’t try to suit everyone’s needs or they’d have a more diverse line of products like other companies that do try to get every type of customer. This goes back to my boutique comment in an earlier post. Without product line growth there will resources and shipping bottlenecks as demand grows. Apple handled this well with the iPod, which sells in Wal-Mart, so I does look like they won’t be that stuck when they feel the time is right.
You’re talking marketshare again. A loss of marketshare does not equate to a loss of sales. The better measure to compare a product sales year-over-year. If you are lowering your margins to maintain or increase your unit sales then you need to account for that. RiM has increased their unit sales and their profit year-over-year but do to BOGO and other sales tactics they’ve had to sell a lot more for a little gain. They will likely continue to sell even more units than the previous year, even if the 3GS outsells them these next two seasons, but they are still making money. I wouldn’t call that a failure.
Saying it’s smarter means nothing. Having Pandora running in the background means it’s smarter doesn’t make much sense to me. If it’s a feature you want then return your 3GS, it’s still under 30 days. I think background apps will come, but only when Apple figures out how to make the OS handle it well without affect the user experience of the foreground app or causing developers any issues with having to account for a background app grabbing too many cylcles or too much RAM. I’m note sure what the Push email comment is about since the iPhone can get Push email for free, too.
PS: Why is that I only hear about Pandora and Skype running in the background? Is that the limit of people’s imagination or are most things really handled better by Push Notifications. BTW, PN will be available for the Pre (the same Pre that does background apps) laster this year.
As I said last time. Don't care to engage in a never ending battle with you (I have better things to do with my time).
Google your questions you aksed me. Or watch CNBC (not a very good resource for news before the bell opens in the morning but I like it). You may want to MSNBC it.
I guess your response is 1 resource? The link like the 3GS and your answer are broken in so many ways I can't connect the link.
Fix it for the remainder that want your one resource, for the others Google Iphone 3GS Recall, or iPhone 3GS Heat Issues. There are 100's of thousand of links you can link to.
Apple has pulled their site in normal response to a problem on their own forum board.
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Google is a great resource but it doesn’t seem to know your opinions...
How would Google know my opinions when it's nothing more than a search engine that gives input based on the users input?
I make my own opinions based on the research I do on my own search criteria I input into a machine.
I guess your response is 1 resource? The link like the 3GS and your answer are broken in so many ways I can't connect the link.
Fix it for the remainder that want your one resource, for the others Google Iphone 3GS Recall, or iPhone 3GS Heat Issues. There are 100's of thousand of links you can link to.
Apple has pulled their site in normal response to a problem on their own forum board.
None of that answers my query about your opinions as to what glut of phones are smarter than the iPhone. We?re not talking a scientifically applied term. We are talking about your preferences here, of which I am interested it, otherwise I would not have asked.
BTW, The i910 is very nice for what it is. I think it being on Verizon, having a 5Mpx camera with 30fps video recording and a front facing camera is a much better fit for Teckstud than the iPhone. The Korean version is very nice indeed, but they are almost always ahead of most countries in that regard.
None of that answers my query about your opinions as to what glut of phones are smarter than the iPhone. We’re not talking a scientifically applied term. We are talking about your preferences here, of which I am interested it, otherwise I would not have asked.
BTW, The i910 is very nice for what it is. I think it being on Verizon, having a 5Mpx camera with 30fps video recording and a front facing camera is a much better fit for Teckstud than the iPhone. The Korean version is very nice indeed, but they are almost always ahead of most countries in that regard.
Nice try but the last update to the V551 was in 2005 and by that time it was already ancient. It was a flip top phone and free from work. RIM phones have since replaced all other phones and for the last 15 years we have been on PacBell, SBC, Cingular all now AT&T.
Don't know if the phone was ever released for Verizon but I doubt it given Network differences.
As far as smarter phones (now that I've used a Samsung i910 cheapo free phone) every smart phone that multi tasks.
Imagine being in an email, getting a text, answering it, then continue (without having to relaunch an app) answering the email all while listening to the music on the phone or Pandora which works with Verizons Navigation system at the same time.
Yes, Verizon Rapes you for GPS navigaton but given all the other features it sold me off the iPhone.
No, it's not the phone for me. I want Flash as well and with cupcake Android and HTC I can have all of the above.
Notice I didn't even mention the PRE (which multi taks and has push email).
But why would you need push email when you have SMS. Because it's FREE!
Imagine sending an email and the (every smart phone but the iPhone) getting it in seconds.
At this point you have to ask Why do I pay for Text SMS & why can't I watch Hulu and other Flash Videos on my phone?
Not on the list because 10.5.7 + firmware update actually fixed Bluetooth issues. My mouse no longer drops its connection and it re-syncs almost immediately after turning it on. Don't know, don't care what planet you come from. You're wrong.
the firmware update was for broadcom chipsets only. not my imac, which is still unusable with my bluetooth mouse. it works perfectly under windows on the same machine so it's a software issue; with os x. good news for you, but OTHER PEOPLE are still having issues. unless you believe we're all liars \
Except for the DashboardClient getting 64-bit support I don?t see any evidence that Apple has even put any effort into Dashboard. The Widgets are clearly being left for dead.
BTW, the iTunes widget still does not show playlists. Other niggling issues is that I can?t rearrange the stocks like I can on the iPhone (I?d think they?d want to mirror the feel even though they are coded differently) and it would be nice for the weather widget to pull your location the way the new Time Zone in Sys Prefs can determine your location. I?d even like a GPS chip in future Mac notebooks so this is even more accurate and can do even cooler stuff, especially with mapping software.
Yay someone else appreciates the issues . Yeah it's kind of sad that Dashboard is being ignored so blatantly - and it seems clear that it was really just a test-bed for iPhone app-like development. The world clock widget has a very small selection of cities; the iTunes one doesn't show playlists (and as a result crashes); the movies and yellow pages and such only work for the US; and so on. And now there's a dedicated key to show Dashboard on the laptop keyboards - it would seem sensible to make more of it, or at the very least fix it.
Good idea on the weather widget calculating your location!
I hope they are planning on fixing the Bluetooth issues that they screwed the pooch on in the last update.
Maybe I just attrociously suck at these things but I could never get my Bluetooth to work properly, either with PC's or Mac; hence I still use a USB cable when tethering to my mobile.
Maybe I just attrociously suck at these things but I could never get my Bluetooth to work properly, either with PC's or Mac; hence I still use a USB cable when tethering to my mobile.
The headset that I use worked perfectly with 10.5.6, now every 5-10 times I try to connect the headset it will connect but won't pass audio to the headset. I have to remove the headset from the bluetooth preferences and redo the pairing of the device and it will work for a few times again.
As far as smarter phones (now that I've used a Samsung i910 cheapo free phone) every smart phone that multi tasks.
Imagine being in an email, getting a text, answering it, then continue (without having to relaunch an app) answering the email all while listening to the music on the phone or Pandora which works with Verizons Navigation system at the same time.
Both email and music work in the background. Text messaging opens instantly and returns you to wherever you were when you closed it. Your only point would be Pandora and Verizons Navigation system, but by then you are really streching to find an advantage. Multitasking is better, but it isn't game breaking and other features of the iphone make up for it. Multitasking is only as good as the tasks you can run on the phone, and that is where other devices fall short. Of course if you desperately need multitasking, you can always jailbreak the iphone, which by your definition would make it smarter.
Both email and music work in the background. Text messaging opens instantly and returns you to wherever you were when you closed it. Your only point would be Pandora and Verizons Navigation system, but by then you are really streching to find an advantage. Multitasking is better, but it isn't game breaking and other features of the iphone make up for it. Multitasking is only as good as the tasks you can run on the phone, and that is where other devices fall short. Of course if you desperately need multitasking, you can always jailbreak the iphone, which by your definition would make it smarter.
Wait til the TomTom app comes out, any one who uses pandora or sirius in the car will be relegated to using other sources. Then the scope widens.
Wait til the TomTom app comes out, any one who uses pandora or sirius in the car will be relegated to using other sources. Then the scope widens.
There is no reason that a GPS app can?t also connect to the internet to stream internet radio. You keep making up this limitations to hate on Apple products as if there are no ways around them. If you want 3rd-party background apps do the jailbreak and then install the app through Cydia.
Yay someone else appreciates the issues . Yeah it's kind of sad that Dashboard is being ignored so blatantly - and it seems clear that it was really just a test-bed for iPhone app-like development. The world clock widget has a very small selection of cities; the iTunes one doesn't show playlists (and as a result crashes); the movies and yellow pages and such only work for the US; and so on. And now there's a dedicated key to show Dashboard on the laptop keyboards - it would seem sensible to make more of it, or at the very least fix it.
Good idea on the weather widget calculating your location!
it also still requires that iTunes be opened for it to work, when it seems trivial for it access the iTunes DB and files on its own. It really does look like they don?t care about Dashboard. Perhaps because they can?t make money by selling the Widgets.
Have you tried the Menu Bar app for controlling iTunes? It?s my preference.
Yay someone else appreciates the issues . Yeah it's kind of sad that Dashboard is being ignored so blatantly - and it seems clear that it was really just a test-bed for iPhone app-like development. The world clock widget has a very small selection of cities; the iTunes one doesn't show playlists (and as a result crashes); the movies and yellow pages and such only work for the US; and so on. And now there's a dedicated key to show Dashboard on the laptop keyboards - it would seem sensible to make more of it, or at the very least fix it.
Good idea on the weather widget calculating your location!
What I'd like to see is for dashboard widgets to be visible on the desktop along with everything else like Microsoft has done with Windows 7.
Yeah I agree. I haven't seen what windows 7 has done with such things but in Vista, turning off the gadget bar was certainly a top priority, and I would rather have Dashboard as it is than imposing on the real desktop. I could quite happily go without the scrolling up of the screen that it does for revealing the widget list also, but that's another minor point - things working properly is more important .
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I am not sure how MS got pulled into this. They are primary a software company. If we are talking about PCs then they are only a SW company in that regard. Apple sells HW. Even if Apple had the marketshare of HP they would still be many times smaller than MS on the OS front. It’s category that means nothing with so much being platform-agnostic. For the items that are dependent on an OS, Apple only has to maintain a high enough level to keep themselves relevant. If Apple didn’t license their OS when they had considerably less marketshare, the internet was less prolific and standards unfriendly, and they had a lot less homegrown apps for customers then there is no way that they’d license it now when none of these things affect them.
Your comment about a mass recall, the PR director being shot and your assessment that they didn’t test the HW well makes me scratch my head that you have a 3GS and that it’s working fine.
There are reasons for such actions. Apple announced the original iPhone 6 months in advance. Same goes for the AppleTV. The iPhone announcement is obvious but the AppleTV announcement is more speculative. Palm was faltering and they had to create hype for the Pre. It was the smart play, but announcing 6 months ahead isn’t always the way to go.
You’ll have to provide some examples of that that aren’t based on a simple preference. Apple doesn’t try to suit everyone’s needs or they’d have a more diverse line of products like other companies that do try to get every type of customer. This goes back to my boutique comment in an earlier post. Without product line growth there will resources and shipping bottlenecks as demand grows. Apple handled this well with the iPod, which sells in Wal-Mart, so I does look like they won’t be that stuck when they feel the time is right.
You’re talking marketshare again. A loss of marketshare does not equate to a loss of sales. The better measure to compare a product sales year-over-year. If you are lowering your margins to maintain or increase your unit sales then you need to account for that. RiM has increased their unit sales and their profit year-over-year but do to BOGO and other sales tactics they’ve had to sell a lot more for a little gain. They will likely continue to sell even more units than the previous year, even if the 3GS outsells them these next two seasons, but they are still making money. I wouldn’t call that a failure.
Saying it’s smarter means nothing. Having Pandora running in the background means it’s smarter doesn’t make much sense to me. If it’s a feature you want then return your 3GS, it’s still under 30 days. I think background apps will come, but only when Apple figures out how to make the OS handle it well without affect the user experience of the foreground app or causing developers any issues with having to account for a background app grabbing too many cylcles or too much RAM. I’m note sure what the Push email comment is about since the iPhone can get Push email for free, too.
PS: Why is that I only hear about Pandora and Skype running in the background? Is that the limit of people’s imagination or are most things really handled better by Push Notifications. BTW, PN will be available for the Pre (the same Pre that does background apps) laster this year.
As I said last time. Don't care to engage in a never ending battle with you (I have better things to do with my time).
Google your questions you aksed me. Or watch CNBC (not a very good resource for news before the bell opens in the morning but I like it). You may want to MSNBC it.
Google your questions you aksed me.
Google is a great resource but it doesn?t seem to know your opinions...
Google is a great resource but it doesn’t seem to know your opinions...
I guess your response is 1 resource? The link like the 3GS and your answer are broken in so many ways I can't connect the link.
Fix it for the remainder that want your one resource, for the others Google Iphone 3GS Recall, or iPhone 3GS Heat Issues. There are 100's of thousand of links you can link to.
Apple has pulled their site in normal response to a problem on their own forum board.
Edit:
Google is a great resource but it doesn’t seem to know your opinions...
How would Google know my opinions when it's nothing more than a search engine that gives input based on the users input?
I make my own opinions based on the research I do on my own search criteria I input into a machine.
I guess your response is 1 resource? The link like the 3GS and your answer are broken in so many ways I can't connect the link.
Fix it for the remainder that want your one resource, for the others Google Iphone 3GS Recall, or iPhone 3GS Heat Issues. There are 100's of thousand of links you can link to.
Apple has pulled their site in normal response to a problem on their own forum board.
None of that answers my query about your opinions as to what glut of phones are smarter than the iPhone. We?re not talking a scientifically applied term. We are talking about your preferences here, of which I am interested it, otherwise I would not have asked.
BTW, The i910 is very nice for what it is. I think it being on Verizon, having a 5Mpx camera with 30fps video recording and a front facing camera is a much better fit for Teckstud than the iPhone. The Korean version is very nice indeed, but they are almost always ahead of most countries in that regard.
None of that answers my query about your opinions as to what glut of phones are smarter than the iPhone. We’re not talking a scientifically applied term. We are talking about your preferences here, of which I am interested it, otherwise I would not have asked.
BTW, The i910 is very nice for what it is. I think it being on Verizon, having a 5Mpx camera with 30fps video recording and a front facing camera is a much better fit for Teckstud than the iPhone. The Korean version is very nice indeed, but they are almost always ahead of most countries in that regard.
Nice try but the last update to the V551 was in 2005 and by that time it was already ancient. It was a flip top phone and free from work. RIM phones have since replaced all other phones and for the last 15 years we have been on PacBell, SBC, Cingular all now AT&T.
Don't know if the phone was ever released for Verizon but I doubt it given Network differences.
As far as smarter phones (now that I've used a Samsung i910 cheapo free phone) every smart phone that multi tasks.
Imagine being in an email, getting a text, answering it, then continue (without having to relaunch an app) answering the email all while listening to the music on the phone or Pandora which works with Verizons Navigation system at the same time.
Yes, Verizon Rapes you for GPS navigaton but given all the other features it sold me off the iPhone.
No, it's not the phone for me. I want Flash as well and with cupcake Android and HTC I can have all of the above.
Notice I didn't even mention the PRE (which multi taks and has push email).
But why would you need push email when you have SMS. Because it's FREE!
Imagine sending an email and the (every smart phone but the iPhone) getting it in seconds.
At this point you have to ask Why do I pay for Text SMS & why can't I watch Hulu and other Flash Videos on my phone?
Nice try but the last update to the V551 was in 2005 and by that time it was already ancient. […]
¿Que? How can I be expected to answer in a rationale manner when getting such responses? (rhetorical)
Not on the list because 10.5.7 + firmware update actually fixed Bluetooth issues. My mouse no longer drops its connection and it re-syncs almost immediately after turning it on. Don't know, don't care what planet you come from. You're wrong.
the firmware update was for broadcom chipsets only. not my imac, which is still unusable with my bluetooth mouse. it works perfectly under windows on the same machine so it's a software issue; with os x. good news for you, but OTHER PEOPLE are still having issues. unless you believe we're all liars
Except for the DashboardClient getting 64-bit support I don?t see any evidence that Apple has even put any effort into Dashboard. The Widgets are clearly being left for dead.
BTW, the iTunes widget still does not show playlists. Other niggling issues is that I can?t rearrange the stocks like I can on the iPhone (I?d think they?d want to mirror the feel even though they are coded differently) and it would be nice for the weather widget to pull your location the way the new Time Zone in Sys Prefs can determine your location. I?d even like a GPS chip in future Mac notebooks so this is even more accurate and can do even cooler stuff, especially with mapping software.
Yay someone else appreciates the issues
Good idea on the weather widget calculating your location!
I hope they are planning on fixing the Bluetooth issues that they screwed the pooch on in the last update.
Maybe I just attrociously suck at these things but I could never get my Bluetooth to work properly, either with PC's or Mac; hence I still use a USB cable when tethering to my mobile.
. Don't know, don't care what planet you come from. You're wrong.
Maybe I just attrociously suck at these things but I could never get my Bluetooth to work properly, either with PC's or Mac; hence I still use a USB cable when tethering to my mobile.
The headset that I use worked perfectly with 10.5.6, now every 5-10 times I try to connect the headset it will connect but won't pass audio to the headset. I have to remove the headset from the bluetooth preferences and redo the pairing of the device and it will work for a few times again.
As far as smarter phones (now that I've used a Samsung i910 cheapo free phone) every smart phone that multi tasks.
Imagine being in an email, getting a text, answering it, then continue (without having to relaunch an app) answering the email all while listening to the music on the phone or Pandora which works with Verizons Navigation system at the same time.
Both email and music work in the background. Text messaging opens instantly and returns you to wherever you were when you closed it. Your only point would be Pandora and Verizons Navigation system, but by then you are really streching to find an advantage. Multitasking is better, but it isn't game breaking and other features of the iphone make up for it. Multitasking is only as good as the tasks you can run on the phone, and that is where other devices fall short. Of course if you desperately need multitasking, you can always jailbreak the iphone, which by your definition would make it smarter.
Both email and music work in the background. Text messaging opens instantly and returns you to wherever you were when you closed it. Your only point would be Pandora and Verizons Navigation system, but by then you are really streching to find an advantage. Multitasking is better, but it isn't game breaking and other features of the iphone make up for it. Multitasking is only as good as the tasks you can run on the phone, and that is where other devices fall short. Of course if you desperately need multitasking, you can always jailbreak the iphone, which by your definition would make it smarter.
Wait til the TomTom app comes out, any one who uses pandora or sirius in the car will be relegated to using other sources. Then the scope widens.
Wait til the TomTom app comes out, any one who uses pandora or sirius in the car will be relegated to using other sources. Then the scope widens.
There is no reason that a GPS app can?t also connect to the internet to stream internet radio. You keep making up this limitations to hate on Apple products as if there are no ways around them. If you want 3rd-party background apps do the jailbreak and then install the app through Cydia.
Yay someone else appreciates the issues
Good idea on the weather widget calculating your location!
it also still requires that iTunes be opened for it to work, when it seems trivial for it access the iTunes DB and files on its own. It really does look like they don?t care about Dashboard. Perhaps because they can?t make money by selling the Widgets.
Have you tried the Menu Bar app for controlling iTunes? It?s my preference.
Yay someone else appreciates the issues
Good idea on the weather widget calculating your location!
What I'd like to see is for dashboard widgets to be visible on the desktop along with everything else like Microsoft has done with Windows 7.
What I'd like to see is for dashboard widgets to be visible on the desktop along with everything else like Microsoft has done with Windows 7.
No, no, no.
Leave the cluttered desktop to Win 7.
no, no, no.
Leave the cluttered desktop to win 7.
+1 .