Did you all know that most of us were born with the aid of the alkaloid product Methergine? Which was produced directly from discoveries of Albert Hofmann's research. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methergine
I have never taken any form of illegal or controlled substances.
I do not drink, nor have I ever consumed alcohol.
I am 100% for legalizing pot, and many other drugs.... why?
Because....
I have never heard of any experienced (personal or anecdotal) anyone doing any harm to anyone else while under the influence of pot. And the only negative stories I've heard about LSD have been from after school specials.
We are filling our jails with people who personal enjoy having a sensation or type of experience which does no harm (as far as I can tell) directly anyone else (or at least no worse than fast food consumption and far less harm than alcohol.) Now (of course) I agree with the smoking laws because of 2nd hand smoke, but that is different consideration.
I probably will never take any type of "illegal" substance (I'm 42 right now, so I'm probably too old to bother) but geezus, I just can't believe we are jailing people for smoking or possessing pot.
Anything can be harmful in the wrong amounts, unfortunately any amount of illegal drugs is harmful.
This really sounds rather simplistic. Why would "any amount" of anything automatically be "harmful"?
Sure, one tab of acid can kill you (if you decide to jump off a window ledge), but that hardly means that everybody who takes one tab of LSD is going to be harmed? That's pretty silly.
In general I agree with your earlier post about health and travel, I haven't taken any any so-called illegal drugs for over 20 years, but I am very happy that i took LSD, in the "right" circumstances and with somebody who stayed sober in case of trouble. People react differently to different substances, I know 2 university professors (economics and philosophy) who've smoked pot regularly and are well over 60: their minds are in great shape, they publish regularly and are highly respected members of the academic community. But I also know musicians in their 20s who smoke pot and are already mentally slow and seem "damaged".
It's also interesting to research how so-called primitive cultures handle substances, sometimes drugs are used once in a lifetime as a horizon expanding experience which marks the transition to adulthood, in contrast with drug usage every weekend in a banging disco.
So, sure, abuse of anything is harmful, but "any amount of illegal drugs is harmful" is not an adequate argument.
If you're going to do drugs at all, you really need to be practical about what you're doing. Do a little research and make informed decisions.
Marijuana, despite what some people think, does not make you dumb over the long haul unless you started out dumb, which happens. It can both impair and enhance you, much like alcohol can, but in completely different ways. Alcohol impairs your motor functions, enhances your boldness or whatever your emotional state may be (not always good). Marijuana impairs your motor functions to a lesser extent, slows down your response times, and tends to mellow out your emotions in proper amounts. Depending on the kind you chose, it can make you think more deeply and outside of your usual box, put you to sleep, make you laugh or generally feel better after a rough day. If you smoke all day every day, yes you will appear dumb, because for most people that is a dumb thing to do. It's only psychologically addictive though, so even if you were to overdo it, you're not going to be in all that bad of a position if you quit, you'll just want some, not need it. There are some really stressed-out , can't think straight, scared of drugs people who could be helped by marijuana, but won't ever know because they'd never do anything illegal, even if it's stupid that it's illegal in the first place. That's just the way it is.
If you look up a drug and it's physically addictive like pills(legal), coke, speed, heroin, or crack, it's probably in your best interest to not put that in your body, maybe not even once. Because once it's got you, you'll need it from then on, especially if it's somewhat easy to get. These are the ones that cause problems. Just because it's stupid that marijuana's illegal, doesn't mean it's stupid that lots of other kinds of dangerous drugs are illegal, like the physically addictive ones.
As for psychedelics, they're not physically addictive, nor are they safe. LSD today could be made of anything unless you're getting it from a doctor like in the article. It's a filthier street drug today than it was in the 60's-80's. Could be made of or cut with anything depending on where you live and what kind of people supply that area. If overdone can cause permanent brain and maybe nervous system damage. Mushrooms would be safer, but you'd have to get them from a trusted source so you know you're not poisoning yourself (which is rare).
I guess the point of all this is to say that drugs as a whole are not a single entity that's either good or bad for one's life. Some can be very beneficial or at least harmless, others can be very harmful to you and those around you. It's up to you to be responsible in trying these things if you feel you should, and also to be careful so as to not get caught. This is one case where the punishment does not fit the crime. So be careful for your sanity, your family, your freedom, and your society.
I have never taken any form of illegal or controlled substances.
I do not drink, nor have I ever consumed alcohol.
I am 100% for legalizing pot, and many other drugs.... why?
Because....
I have never heard of any experienced (personal or anecdotal) anyone doing any harm to anyone else while under the influence of pot. And the only negative stories I've heard about LSD have been from after school specials.
We are filling our jails with people who personal enjoy having a sensation or type of experience which does no harm (as far as I can tell) directly anyone else (or at least no worse than fast food consumption and far less harm than alcohol.) Now (of course) I agree with the smoking laws because of 2nd hand smoke, but that is different consideration.
I probably will never take any type of "illegal" substance (I'm 42 right now, so I'm probably too old to bother) but geezus, I just can't believe we are jailing people for smoking or possessing pot.
So your for legalizing all harmful substances because you have had no bad experiences from people who use them or it hasn't affected you in some bad fashion, correct?
Do you really have to wait until something bad happens to you before you believe illegal drugs are bad?
Just because you haven't done your research before you voted your opinion, doesn't mean your decision is a correct one.
You're awfully selective about the articles you quote.
"Researchers say about 2.5% of the fatal crashes were attributable to marijuana compared with nearly 29% attributable to alcohol." (emphasis added)
And yet alcohol is legal… why?
Anyway, even if marijuana were legal, it would still be a controlled substance, and driving under the influence of a controlled substance would still be illegal. So your point has little merit.
You're awfully selective about the articles you quote.
My point was made for the other poster that that pot has detrimental effects on others, despite it not having a detrimental effect on him/her.
Now to respond to your point:
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Originally Posted by gmcalpin
"Researchers say about 2.5% of the fatal crashes were attributable to marijuana compared with nearly 29% attributable to alcohol." (emphasis added)
And yet alcohol is legal? why?
Anyway, even if marijuana were legal, it would still be a controlled substance, and driving under the influence of a controlled substance would still be illegal. So your point has little merit.
It's because alcohol is legal and easily accessible that's the reason for the 29% accident rate.
Pot is not as easily accessible as alcohol, and thus contributes to the lower 2.5% accident rate.
Now if pot and alcohol were both legal and easily accessible, the combined accident rate could be twice as high as the alcohol rate of 29% alone. Because both alcohol and pot have similar reaction delaying effects.
It's quite enough having 29% plus 2.5% of accidents related to some sort of negative influence.
I've seen a accident once caused by a couple of pissed off drunks going at it with their cars and the result was a innocent third party hitting one of the drunks because he swerved in front of oncoming traffic.
A screaming mother, head covered with blood, gets out and pulls her screaming daughter out of the back seat and both sit in the middle of the hot road, crying their hearts out.
I never in my life felt so much like shooting somebody than that drunk jerk. All he cared about was getting rid of the empties out of the back of his pickup before the cops showed up.
Luckily a angry crowd of people held the drunk for the cops, I'm surprised nobody beat him down good first.
People need to think about others, and not so much all about themselves. Druggies and drunks are losers.
Well, isn't that interesting? Now you know 3 people: Steve Jobs, gmcalpin, and myself. If you look you'll find a whole lot more! You could start with famous people (i.e. like John Lennon), or you could perhaps ask some of your drug-using friends for their opinions, just try not to project your opinions ("looking at a sidewalk for 15 minutes" = bad) onto them.
Yes, this time I'm really going (so much work to do...), sorry for ditching the conversation! I suppose you could call this a hit-and-run, but hopefully I'll be back later.
I don't know you, him/her or Jobs. It is still zero.
Notice you quit "expanding." Says volumes. It does not expand your mind, it confuses it. I don't need an opinion of a mind deluded at the time, I've SEEN it. Gosh it's so obvious it helps your mind. People make great choices while dropping acid, are extremely rational and do things sooo much better. Please don't expand and drive.
Arnold's father was a member of the SS in Austria - the country indeed where Hitler was born and raised. Skull and Bones and the Nazi cult have equivalent roots: the Bavarian Illuminati (Bavaria, as in Germany).
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Did you all know that most of us were born with the aid of the alkaloid product Methergine? Which was produced directly from discoveries of Albert Hofmann's research. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methergine
This hardly counts. Should we talk about the brand of car Steve drove too fast through stop signs, too?
Not sure about mushrooms, but I know that I do end up taking many trips (to the bathroom) when I take to many Apples.
Apple computer - that does sound better then Mushroom Computers. Although it would have keep Steve and company out of court with the Beatles
Heck, Apple computer HAS Mushroomed into one hell of a company
My choice is to get high on life ? sorry.
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I do not drink, nor have I ever consumed alcohol.
I am 100% for legalizing pot, and many other drugs.... why?
Because....
I have never heard of any experienced (personal or anecdotal) anyone doing any harm to anyone else while under the influence of pot. And the only negative stories I've heard about LSD have been from after school specials.
We are filling our jails with people who personal enjoy having a sensation or type of experience which does no harm (as far as I can tell) directly anyone else (or at least no worse than fast food consumption and far less harm than alcohol.) Now (of course) I agree with the smoking laws because of 2nd hand smoke, but that is different consideration.
I probably will never take any type of "illegal" substance (I'm 42 right now, so I'm probably too old to bother) but geezus, I just can't believe we are jailing people for smoking or possessing pot.
Anything can be harmful in the wrong amounts, unfortunately any amount of illegal drugs is harmful.
This really sounds rather simplistic. Why would "any amount" of anything automatically be "harmful"?
Sure, one tab of acid can kill you (if you decide to jump off a window ledge), but that hardly means that everybody who takes one tab of LSD is going to be harmed? That's pretty silly.
In general I agree with your earlier post about health and travel, I haven't taken any any so-called illegal drugs for over 20 years, but I am very happy that i took LSD, in the "right" circumstances and with somebody who stayed sober in case of trouble. People react differently to different substances, I know 2 university professors (economics and philosophy) who've smoked pot regularly and are well over 60: their minds are in great shape, they publish regularly and are highly respected members of the academic community. But I also know musicians in their 20s who smoke pot and are already mentally slow and seem "damaged".
It's also interesting to research how so-called primitive cultures handle substances, sometimes drugs are used once in a lifetime as a horizon expanding experience which marks the transition to adulthood, in contrast with drug usage every weekend in a banging disco.
So, sure, abuse of anything is harmful, but "any amount of illegal drugs is harmful" is not an adequate argument.
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? I also know musicians in their 20s who smoke pot and are already mentally slow and seem "damaged".
Yes, but those are musicians. They were probably already stupid.
Yes, but those are musicians. They were probably already stupid.
Very true.
Thanks for pointing that out.
And one of them is a drummer.
oh please, church boy... besides, last time i checked, mushrooms were not illegal where i live...
Are you in the Netherlands? I thought they passed some more restrictive laws about mushrooms within the past year.
Daily insulin injections help millions of diabetics stay healthy. Insulin is a drug
No it's not. It is a hormone.
Leagalize!
spellcheck!
Marijuana, despite what some people think, does not make you dumb over the long haul unless you started out dumb, which happens. It can both impair and enhance you, much like alcohol can, but in completely different ways. Alcohol impairs your motor functions, enhances your boldness or whatever your emotional state may be (not always good). Marijuana impairs your motor functions to a lesser extent, slows down your response times, and tends to mellow out your emotions in proper amounts. Depending on the kind you chose, it can make you think more deeply and outside of your usual box, put you to sleep, make you laugh or generally feel better after a rough day. If you smoke all day every day, yes you will appear dumb, because for most people that is a dumb thing to do. It's only psychologically addictive though, so even if you were to overdo it, you're not going to be in all that bad of a position if you quit, you'll just want some, not need it. There are some really stressed-out , can't think straight, scared of drugs people who could be helped by marijuana, but won't ever know because they'd never do anything illegal, even if it's stupid that it's illegal in the first place. That's just the way it is.
If you look up a drug and it's physically addictive like pills(legal), coke, speed, heroin, or crack, it's probably in your best interest to not put that in your body, maybe not even once. Because once it's got you, you'll need it from then on, especially if it's somewhat easy to get. These are the ones that cause problems. Just because it's stupid that marijuana's illegal, doesn't mean it's stupid that lots of other kinds of dangerous drugs are illegal, like the physically addictive ones.
As for psychedelics, they're not physically addictive, nor are they safe. LSD today could be made of anything unless you're getting it from a doctor like in the article. It's a filthier street drug today than it was in the 60's-80's. Could be made of or cut with anything depending on where you live and what kind of people supply that area. If overdone can cause permanent brain and maybe nervous system damage. Mushrooms would be safer, but you'd have to get them from a trusted source so you know you're not poisoning yourself (which is rare).
I guess the point of all this is to say that drugs as a whole are not a single entity that's either good or bad for one's life. Some can be very beneficial or at least harmless, others can be very harmful to you and those around you. It's up to you to be responsible in trying these things if you feel you should, and also to be careful so as to not get caught. This is one case where the punishment does not fit the crime. So be careful for your sanity, your family, your freedom, and your society.
Huffington Post and fascinating in the same sentence. Interesting. I for one pass on reading that crap.
Another bitter righty crawls out from under his rock long enough to spew some venom...
I have never taken any form of illegal or controlled substances.
I do not drink, nor have I ever consumed alcohol.
I am 100% for legalizing pot, and many other drugs.... why?
Because....
I have never heard of any experienced (personal or anecdotal) anyone doing any harm to anyone else while under the influence of pot. And the only negative stories I've heard about LSD have been from after school specials.
We are filling our jails with people who personal enjoy having a sensation or type of experience which does no harm (as far as I can tell) directly anyone else (or at least no worse than fast food consumption and far less harm than alcohol.) Now (of course) I agree with the smoking laws because of 2nd hand smoke, but that is different consideration.
I probably will never take any type of "illegal" substance (I'm 42 right now, so I'm probably too old to bother) but geezus, I just can't believe we are jailing people for smoking or possessing pot.
So your for legalizing all harmful substances because you have had no bad experiences from people who use them or it hasn't affected you in some bad fashion, correct?
Do you really have to wait until something bad happens to you before you believe illegal drugs are bad?
Just because you haven't done your research before you voted your opinion, doesn't mean your decision is a correct one.
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/n...atal-car-crash
Just because you haven't done your research before you voted your opinion, doesn't mean your decision is a correct one.
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/n...atal-car-crash
You're awfully selective about the articles you quote.
"Researchers say about 2.5% of the fatal crashes were attributable to marijuana compared with nearly 29% attributable to alcohol." (emphasis added)
And yet alcohol is legal… why?
Anyway, even if marijuana were legal, it would still be a controlled substance, and driving under the influence of a controlled substance would still be illegal. So your point has little merit.
Another bitter righty crawls out from under his rock long enough to spew some venom...
Hey, welcome back, rolleyes.
On a more serious note, do you read the HP? I know the media thinks they are cool and all, but do you know anyone who reads the HP?
You're awfully selective about the articles you quote.
My point was made for the other poster that that pot has detrimental effects on others, despite it not having a detrimental effect on him/her.
Now to respond to your point:
"Researchers say about 2.5% of the fatal crashes were attributable to marijuana compared with nearly 29% attributable to alcohol." (emphasis added)
And yet alcohol is legal? why?
Anyway, even if marijuana were legal, it would still be a controlled substance, and driving under the influence of a controlled substance would still be illegal. So your point has little merit.
It's because alcohol is legal and easily accessible that's the reason for the 29% accident rate.
Pot is not as easily accessible as alcohol, and thus contributes to the lower 2.5% accident rate.
Now if pot and alcohol were both legal and easily accessible, the combined accident rate could be twice as high as the alcohol rate of 29% alone. Because both alcohol and pot have similar reaction delaying effects.
It's quite enough having 29% plus 2.5% of accidents related to some sort of negative influence.
I've seen a accident once caused by a couple of pissed off drunks going at it with their cars and the result was a innocent third party hitting one of the drunks because he swerved in front of oncoming traffic.
A screaming mother, head covered with blood, gets out and pulls her screaming daughter out of the back seat and both sit in the middle of the hot road, crying their hearts out.
I never in my life felt so much like shooting somebody than that drunk jerk. All he cared about was getting rid of the empties out of the back of his pickup before the cops showed up.
Luckily a angry crowd of people held the drunk for the cops, I'm surprised nobody beat him down good first.
People need to think about others, and not so much all about themselves. Druggies and drunks are losers.
Well, isn't that interesting? Now you know 3 people: Steve Jobs, gmcalpin, and myself. If you look you'll find a whole lot more! You could start with famous people (i.e. like John Lennon), or you could perhaps ask some of your drug-using friends for their opinions, just try not to project your opinions ("looking at a sidewalk for 15 minutes" = bad) onto them.
Yes, this time I'm really going (so much work to do...), sorry for ditching the conversation! I suppose you could call this a hit-and-run, but hopefully I'll be back later.
I don't know you, him/her or Jobs. It is still zero.
Notice you quit "expanding." Says volumes. It does not expand your mind, it confuses it. I don't need an opinion of a mind deluded at the time, I've SEEN it. Gosh it's so obvious it helps your mind. People make great choices while dropping acid, are extremely rational and do things sooo much better. Please don't expand and drive.
Conversation's over, I've gotta go.
Them ribs will kill ya
So pot must be cool