Analyst says iPhone is lifeblood of AT&T success

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  • Reply 101 of 140
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
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    I also doubt Verizon would give up as much control as ATT has over what goes on the phone. We're still reading stories about how they are trying to set up their own app store that developers for any model phone they offer would have to go through as opposed to a manufacturer specific store.



    The biggest mistake verizon ever

    made was not getting the iphone.



    This will be a decade long highlight on how not to run a high tech phone company.





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  • Reply 102 of 140
    teckstudteckstud Posts: 6,476member
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    The biggest mistake verizon ever

    made was not getting the iphone.



    This will be a decade long highlight on how not to run a high tech phone company.





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    But don't you think it could also be a mistake for AT&T? Thank god AT&T helped start the iPhone but once APple pulls the plug or goes multi-carrier in the US , AT&T will be in much worse shape than Verizon. Don't you think? I mean Verizon will suffer in the short term but AT&T will in the long term.
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  • Reply 103 of 140
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    I rarely have a problem with dropped calls. The problem normally would be in connecting the call in the first place. But you are right in the middle of the day in Manhattan, the 3G data is either slow or nonexistent.



    New York is a particular situation that doesn't exist in most places. The New York metro area has 20 million people and one of the highest concentrations of iPhones in the world. It's unknown how any network would deal with the load.



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    Originally Posted by Trajectory View Post


    Last time I was in NYC using AT&T's network, the service was spotty and I had a bunch of dropped calls and couldn't always use the 3G cellular network when no WiFi was available. If I still lived in NYC, I would not be too happy with that level of service.



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  • Reply 104 of 140
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    As though no one thought AT&T had network problems before you?



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    Why do I always seem to be validated lately?



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  • Reply 105 of 140
    docno42docno42 Posts: 3,764member
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    Originally Posted by telemaque View Post


    Hopefully the FCC will step in, because rumor has it that AT&T got another 2 years of exclusivity with the iPhone 3GS.



    Wow, I wasn't aware that all other cell phone manufacturers ceased production and Apple is now the sole provider of mobile phones.



    Fascinating...
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  • Reply 106 of 140
    docno42docno42 Posts: 3,764member
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    ATT Wireless has a horrible coverage in the Washington DC area and no coverage in Metro. My calls get dropped all the time



    Huh? Yeah, they don't have coverage in Metro (if you want to whine about FCC intervention for unfair competitive practices, how about exclusive deals for tower placement?) but AT&T is the only carrier that penetrates the building I work in. Since I switched last August I've had two dropped calls. I get decent speed on data not only in DC but in Northern VA, even in the extreme western edge where I live.



    There is no perfect carrier - I've had no significant issues with AT&T vs. Sprint (my previous provider) or vs. Verizion (previous work phone).
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  • Reply 107 of 140
    There's the problem -- attitude.



    I'm astonished the if the people in ATandT are aware of how much their business depends on iPhone's!



    The attitude of the two companies couldn't be more different.



    Apple is innovative and gives stellar service with iPhone (if a little restrictive with developers) whereas ATandT gives appalling 3G service (especially in the LA area) and gouges its customers with restrictions on access designed to chisel as much money as possible -- consider travel abroad, or using the iPhone as a modem to a lap-top.



    The argument might run -- greed is good and ATandT is beholden to its shareholders, but I am not pleased with my treatment, not only with the iPhone agreement but other nickle and dimeing to death that ATandT marketing dreams up to bundle and foist upon their clientele.



    I am divesting myself of as much ATandT stuff as I can -- a combination of Magic Jack and PinCity does well to reduce the hemorraging. I'd also like to chuck my need for a DSL modem as well. ATandT is making a ton already from my families use of two cell-phone accounts already.



    Why do they want more -- and for such lousy service?



    Wake up and smell the coffee ATandT! There are lots of little people, like me, who are making their own decisions...and the trend seems obvious.
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  • Reply 108 of 140
    samabsamab Posts: 1,953member
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    Originally Posted by brucep View Post


    The biggest mistake verizon ever

    made was not getting the iphone.



    This will be a decade long highlight on how not to run a high tech phone company.





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    Without the inclusion of massive net subscriber additions of prepaid Tracfone customers (who has a monthly average revenue per user of $13 a month) into AT&T Wireless' customer base --- AT&T has NEVER beaten Verizon since the iphone was launched.



    Verizon Wireless has higher total ARPU than AT&T Wireless, has higher data ARPU than AT&T Wireless, has much higher profit margin than AT&T Wireless...



    This is how you run a telephone company --- you concentrate your effort on middle class Americans.
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  • Reply 109 of 140
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
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    Without the inclusion of massive net subscriber additions of prepaid Tracfone customers (who has a monthly average revenue per user of $13 a month) into AT&T Wireless' customer base --- AT&T has NEVER beaten Verizon since the iphone was launched.



    Verizon Wireless has higher total ARPU than AT&T Wireless, has higher data ARPU than AT&T Wireless, has much higher profit margin than AT&T Wireless...



    This is how you run a telephone company --- you concentrate your effort on middle class Americans.



    Sorry but you quote empty no profit facts / Vernon is a fantastic company with withaa great vision for a digital future.



    They still made a no signing babe ruth error .



    FOR your info AT&T HAD a net gain of 2 million data subscribers. After all the churn and switching that goes on Verizon stood still. ATT gained two million high profit clients.



    I like verizon allot there fios is great .i hope they get the iphone soon



    peace

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  • Reply 110 of 140
    I'm a Apple Tech & even I'm amazed at the type of client the iPhone has drawn. Some of Apple's product line is a hard sell due to The heavy Apple Tax but the iPhone is in a league of its own. Not only are people paying more that than I thought they ever would for just the phone but AT&T's charges are ridiculous & still millions of people are more than willing to pay. Yes, I have had an iPhone (bought used for $150) but it's not on the AT&T network & never will be. Yes, I'd like to have "3G" speeds but I've found that in more areas than you would believe the "Edge" network is almost as fast. The biggest thing is I pay less than $60 per month for unlimited minutes, web access & 200 messages. Now with the 3.0 firmware I even have SMS & tethering which most AT&T customers don't & will probably be forced to pay for. I've been waiting to see a class action filed against AT&T for not having these functions available & even more amazed that all those AT&T customers are so willing to pay for something they're not getting.



    I had a supervisor put it this way. The iPhone customer is a great example of why the Economy is in the state it is. iPhone People are to willing to waste money, to willing to pay for something they're not getting (like USA Wide 3G, SMS picture Messaging, Tethering or useful apps like Google Voice) & What's worst is they never seem to evaluate the alternatives so that they can save for the future.
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  • Reply 111 of 140
    teckstudteckstud Posts: 6,476member
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    Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post


    As though no one thought AT&T had network problems before you?



    Obviously not you-you've always defended them left and right.
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  • Reply 112 of 140
    samabsamab Posts: 1,953member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by brucep View Post


    Sorry but you quote empty no profit facts / Vernon is a fantastic company with withaa great vision for a digital future.



    They still made a no signing babe ruth error .



    FOR your info AT&T HAD a net gain of 2 million data subscribers. After all the churn and switching that goes on Verizon stood still. ATT gained two million high profit clients.



    I like verizon allot there fios is great .i hope they get the iphone soon



    peace

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    Verizon still has more data subscribers than AT&T, has higher data ARPU than AT&T, has more 3G subscribers than AT&T...



    Verizon has beaten AT&T in every single quarter in terms of net subscriber additions for the last 2 years (when cheap Tracfone subscribers who pay $13 a month are taken out of AT&T's numbers) --- since the iphone was launched.



    You think that the iphone subscribers are high profit clients? Not until the final numbers are compiled, then we will know for sure. 2 years into the iphone --- and we still hear wall street analysts talking about the profit margin hit. How many years does AT&T has to keep the iphone subscribers until they can raise the profit margin.
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  • Reply 113 of 140
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by samab View Post


    Verizon still [?] has more 3G subscribers than AT&T?



    Is that devices on their network that are 3G capable, or devices on their network that pay for data plans?



    Quote:

    You think that the iphone subscribers are high profit clients?



    High profit for Apple. At this point AT&T can?t afford to lose the iPhone exclusivity, even if it means little to no profit from the device after all the associated costs are determined.
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  • Reply 114 of 140
    trajectorytrajectory Posts: 647member
    Come on people, we all know why AT&T's network is bogged down. In addition to directing digital and voice traffic to the intended recipients, they also have to siphon all that data directly into the NSA's computers. So, their network is doing double-duty 24/7.



    Perhaps Apple should have partnered with a phone company that isn't helping the government and large corporations spy on Americans. Their networks won't be as bogged down.
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  • Reply 115 of 140
    gregalexandergregalexander Posts: 1,401member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by teckstud View Post


    But don't you think it could also be a mistake for AT&T? Thank god AT&T helped start the iPhone but once APple pulls the plug or goes multi-carrier in the US , AT&T will be in much worse shape than Verizon. Don't you think? I mean Verizon will suffer in the short term but AT&T will in the long term.



    Yes, it could be a mistake for AT&T.

    The iPhone brought them customers, but has earned a bad reputation with many of those customers.



    Or at least that's how it seems. Is it a really common anti-AT&T feeling amongst customers, or just in the customers interested enough in Apple to post online?





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by arTem1s View Post


    The attitude of the two companies couldn't be more different.



    Apple is innovative and gives stellar service with iPhone (if a little restrictive with developers) whereas ATandT gives appalling 3G service (especially in the LA area) and gouges its customers with restrictions on access designed to chisel as much money as possible -- consider travel abroad, or using the iPhone as a modem to a lap-top.



    Their MMS blocks make no sense to me. And their coverage is something they're entirely responsible for.



    I wouldn't criticise them for expensive roaming charges (the ALL do this, as much as I hate it). I think it's fair to minimise tethering too - AT&T provided unlimited data for iPhones which is incredibly enabling to iPhone users (we outside the US have to think about using apps which will download too much data... avoid any music over 3G unless you know what you're doing!). We get free tethering, but only 500MB of data.



    I'm very surprised that AT&T got a bad rep for those, and a bad rep for subsidising the phone but not letting people drop their contract a year early (at a $200 cost to AT&T).



    One thing is sure, AT&T has managed their customer perceptions badly.

    And I'm not sure whether the monthly fees (for a subsidised phone) are similar, more, or less than Verizon.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by arTem1s View Post


    The argument might run -- greed is good and ATandT is beholden to its shareholders, but I am not pleased with my treatment, not only with the iPhone agreement but other nickle and dimeing to death that ATandT marketing dreams up to bundle and foist upon their clientele.



    So many people say that companies have a duty to their shareholders to make more money. It seems they miss 2 key issues

    1) charging more doesn't mean you get more customers... it can be bad for making money!

    2) if an individual/person tries to cheat us of our money, we don't say "that's okay, he has a duty to himself to make more money"... we say "I get it, I don't like him, I think what he's doing is wrong, and I will avoid dealing with him". Why is it okay or encouraged if it's a company but wrong for individuals?
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  • Reply 116 of 140
    samabsamab Posts: 1,953member
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    Their MMS blocks make no sense to me.



    If the rumor about AT&T having to manually remove the MMS blocks one subscriber at a time is true, then it makes perfect sense.



    After 10 million different mergers, AT&T's backend is basically held up by scotch tape.
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  • Reply 117 of 140
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
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    Originally Posted by samab View Post


    Verizon still has more data subscribers than AT&T, has higher data ARPU than AT&T, has more 3G subscribers than AT&T...



    Verizon has beaten AT&T in every single quarter in terms of net subscriber additions for the last 2 years (when cheap Tracfone subscribers who pay $13 a month are taken out of AT&T's numbers) --- since the iphone was launched.



    You think that the iphone subscribers are high profit clients? Not until the final numbers are compiled, then we will know for sure. 2 years into the iphone --- and we still hear wall street analysts talking about the profit margin hit. How many years does AT&T has to keep the iphone subscribers until they can raise the profit margin.



    That is not the point my friend AFTER ALL THE CHURNING verizon overall had no net gain in subscribers.



    AT&T RETAINED since they got the iphone >> 2 million high data clients . Not all of these clients bought an iphone .



    Both telco's are spending billions built out to the so called 3g 4g LTE networks. And the only high profit item on the tele phone table is data charges >>> all the rest of the services have razor thin profit margins. That is why you phone bill is always confused and over billed. And they need trainloads of cash to pay for all that wire.



    SO verizon can have a billion clients and still lose money ./

    Verizon down the road will crush time warner ATT and all the rest with there WIRELESS DSL FIOS internet programs /



    FROM verizon you will drop all landlines . YOU will bundle on the fastest network speed ever built network FIOS 50G DL. You will bundle your cell phone > your super fast DSL > and movie TV content/

    And that is now. $99 a month

    Coming soon with such mega mega power is that verizon has you as a client they can then sell you everything fast and cheap from their network .

    VERIZON will control your phone your internet your TV and will sell to you from that perch. Verizon will spend over 22 billion when there done lighting dark fiber and stuff.



    So can you now see why it was so important for VERIZON TO STRETCH ITS DIGITAL LEGS WITH THE IPHONE .

    BUT watch amazon they soon will be a major player.

    Amazon and verizon will soon be at war or they will merge. AT&T WILL soon merge with sprint .



    peace
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  • Reply 118 of 140
    samabsamab Posts: 1,953member
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    Originally Posted by brucep View Post


    That is not the point my friend AFTER ALL THE CHURNING verizon overall had no net gain in subscribers.



    AT&T RETAINED since they got the iphone >> 2 million high data clients . Not all of these clients bought an iphone .



    Both telco's are spending billions built out to the so called 3g 4g LTE networks. And the only high profit item on the tele phone table is data charges >>> all the rest of the services have razor thin profit margins. That is why you phone bill is always confused and over billed. And they need trainloads of cash to pay for all that wire.



    SO verizon can have a billion clients and still lose money ./

    Verizon down the road will crush time warner ATT and all the rest with there WIRELESS DSL FIOS internet programs /



    FROM verizon you will drop all landlines . YOU will bundle on the fastest network speed ever built network FIOS 50G DL. You will bundle your cell phone > your super fast DSL > and movie TV content/

    And that is now. $99 a month

    Coming soon with such mega mega power is that verizon has you as a client they can then sell you everything fast and cheap from their network .

    VERIZON will control your phone your internet your TV and will sell to you from that perch. Verizon will spend over 22 billion when there done lighting dark fiber and stuff.



    So can you now see why it was so important for VERIZON TO STRETCH ITS DIGITAL LEGS WITH THE IPHONE .

    BUT watch amazon they soon will be a major player.

    Amazon and verizon will soon be at war or they will merge. AT&T WILL soon merge with sprint .



    peace



    Verizon Wireless has a lower churn than AT&T Wireless. And Verizon Wireless has beaten AT&T Wireless in NET subscriber additions every single quarter since the iphone was launched --- when you take out the $13 a month ARPU Tracfone customers.



    Verizon outspends AT&T on network infrastructure spending --- because Verizon spends less money on handset subsidies. Verizon Wireless has HIGHER data ARPU than AT&T Wireless --- AT&T relies on cheap $13 Tracfone customers for most of their net adds for the past few years.



    Verizon Wireless has HIGHER profit margin than AT&T Wireless.



    You WON'T drop Verizon landline --- because it's QUAD bundling. Vonage died because of bundling --- even though Vonage is cheaper than VOIP from cable companies.
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  • Reply 119 of 140
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    You have no point here, all of the carriers are the results of mergers. Didn't Verizon just complete a major merger.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by samab View Post


    If the rumor about AT&T having to manually remove the MMS blocks one subscriber at a time is true, then it makes perfect sense.



    After 10 million different mergers, AT&T's backend is basically held up by scotch tape.



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  • Reply 120 of 140
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    The majority of the posts you make are to continually pull out these same statistics. Yes Verizon is a successful company, we all agree. To keep bringing this up adds nothing new to the conversation.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by samab View Post


    Verizon Wireless has a lower churn than AT&T Wireless. And Verizon Wireless has beaten AT&T Wireless in NET subscriber additions every single quarter since the iphone was launched --- when you take out the $13 a month ARPU Tracfone customers.



    Verizon outspends AT&T on network infrastructure spending --- because Verizon spends less money on handset subsidies. Verizon Wireless has HIGHER data ARPU than AT&T Wireless --- AT&T relies on cheap $13 Tracfone customers for most of their net adds for the past few years.



    Verizon Wireless has HIGHER profit margin than AT&T Wireless.



    You WON'T drop Verizon landline --- because it's QUAD bundling. Vonage died because of bundling --- even though Vonage is cheaper than VOIP from cable companies.



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