[quote] Promiscuity breeds social disease. That my friend isn't disputable. <hr></blockquote>
It is, unprotected sex does. Still glad I'm your friend though
[quote] It makes her a woman with little self value or one who doesn't think much of herself.<hr></blockquote>
I disagree. You may want to consider that a woman may just enjoy having sex out of lust? I've had a fair deal of one night stands and I have to say that I don't feel to bad about them. I can only assume that there are more men and women that feel the same.
Promiscuity breeds many social diseases. You'll do better actually reading what is said, macoracle.
A child in the womb less than 4 months is not viable. Babies are viable, they breathe, their heart beats. If a 3 month old baby were to come out of the womb it would die because it doesn't have the tools of survival. A baby does, put some food in its mouth and it will survive.
(If you want to boil it down to the whole "well a baby isn't viable, either, can I kill it?" idiocy then you can look at all humans as leeches on "Mother Earth")
Until then, this is an abortion thread, not some place for you to make up definitions to suit yourself.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Abortion doesn't involve killing? I've heard pro-choice people admit at least this much. Or is what's killed not human? If it is not human life that is ended, what is it then? What are you talking about?
<strong>(If you want to boil it down to the whole "well a baby isn't viable, either, can I kill it?" idiocy then you can look at all humans as leeches on "Mother Earth")</strong><hr></blockquote>
If that isn't grabbing for straws grover I don't know what is.
Abortion doesn't involve killing? I've heard pro-choice people admit at least this much. Or is what's killed not human? If it is not human life that is ended, what is it then? What are you talking about?</strong><hr></blockquote>
They don't want to think it's killing or harming anything human. That is where the "feel good" tactics come in. But as long as it makes you sleep better at night that is all that matters. We shouldn't be held responsible for our actions. "I'm ok your ok"
Sinewave, not all pro-choice people fit into your category and mindset. If you'd bother to read my posts I represent at least one pro-choicer that acknowledges that abortion takes a human life. Keep acting like you don't see it, though, it's very convincing.
[quote]<strong>If that isn't grabbing for straws grover I don't know what is.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So do you not understand the viability argument or is it something you just aren't able to grapple with me about?
[quote]<strong>Theoretically, you can have sex with 20 infected people, protected, you're fine. Have sex with one infected person, unprotected, you have it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And in theory Communism brings happiness and peace to all nations. In theory baby Jesus forgives all our sins and if we just love our neighbor enough He'll take care of everything else.
People get STDs while having protected sex every hour of every day. Sex spreads STDs, protection only lessens the chance.
<strong>Sinewave, not all pro-choice people fit into your category and mindset. If you'd bother to read my posts I represent at least one pro-choicer that acknowledges that abortion takes a human life. Keep acting like you don't see it, though, it's very convincing. <hr></blockquote></strong>
When did I ever say all pro choice people think that it doesn't take a life? I don't ever remember making that statement.
[quote]<strong>When did I ever say all pro choice people think that it doesn't take a life? I don't ever remember making that statement.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's one of the weakest attempts at a semantic jab I've ever seen. For someone who pisses and moans so much about others "twisting" their words so much it's quite funny that not only would you try and do it yourself, but you'd be so damned horrible at it.
I quote you:
"This is all about the liberal "feel good" "I am ok your ok" mentality that supports not taking responsibilities for ones actions."
Abortions take human life, what the hell is your point?
That's one of the weakest attempts at a semantic jab I've ever seen. For someone who pisses and moans so much about others "twisting" their words so much it's quite funny that not only would you try and do it yourself, but you'd be so damned horrible at it.
I quote you:
"This is all about the liberal "feel good" "I am ok your ok" mentality that supports not taking responsibilities for ones actions."
Abortions take human life, what the hell is your point?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Let me quote the whole thing
[quote]They don't want to think it's killing or harming anything human. That is where the "feel good" tactics come in. But as long as it makes you sleep better at night that is all that matters. We shouldn't be held responsible for our actions. "I'm ok your ok"
<hr></blockquote>
I said they don't want to think it's killing or harming anything human.
I never said
I said they don't want to think it's killing or harming anything.
Big difference there. Esp when talking about abortion.
Abortion takes human life. Death penalty takes human life. War takes human life. Industry takes human life.
What's the point in getting "them" to admit it is a human being?</strong><hr></blockquote>
grover that is all I was asking. A lot of them wont admit it. Like it said .. it's feel good tactics to make abortion seem less "bad" than it is. But like you I agree.. your not going to stop it from happening. And I really don't think it's possible to make it illegal. We pretty much agree on this issue.
Comments
<strong>Yes.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well I am glad we can agree. Abortion kills a life.
It is, unprotected sex does. Still glad I'm your friend though
[quote] It makes her a woman with little self value or one who doesn't think much of herself.<hr></blockquote>
I disagree. You may want to consider that a woman may just enjoy having sex out of lust? I've had a fair deal of one night stands and I have to say that I don't feel to bad about them. I can only assume that there are more men and women that feel the same.
A child in the womb less than 4 months is not viable. Babies are viable, they breathe, their heart beats. If a 3 month old baby were to come out of the womb it would die because it doesn't have the tools of survival. A baby does, put some food in its mouth and it will survive.
(If you want to boil it down to the whole "well a baby isn't viable, either, can I kill it?" idiocy then you can look at all humans as leeches on "Mother Earth")
Willing to learn though...
To quote Umberto Eco: "You're never to old to learn"
An even so, sex does cause STDs, that's why they're called "Sexually Transmitted Diseases".
Again, if you want to start the "I want to redefine stuff to suit my religion and/or aggorant nature", feel free to do so.
Until then, this is an abortion thread, not some place for you to make up definitions to suit yourself.
[ 11-24-2001: Message edited by: xenu ]</p>
<strong>
Until then, this is an abortion thread, not some place for you to make up definitions to suit yourself.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Abortion doesn't involve killing? I've heard pro-choice people admit at least this much. Or is what's killed not human? If it is not human life that is ended, what is it then? What are you talking about?
<strong>(If you want to boil it down to the whole "well a baby isn't viable, either, can I kill it?" idiocy then you can look at all humans as leeches on "Mother Earth")</strong><hr></blockquote>
If that isn't grabbing for straws grover I don't know what is.
<strong>SineWave, you are not fooling anyone.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Who am I trying to fool?
[quote]<strong>
Again, if you want to start the "I want to redefine stuff to suit my religion and/or aggorant nature", feel free to do so.
<hr></blockquote></strong>
He *I* am not the one doing this. All *I* am saying is.. a life is a life is a life.
[quote]<strong>
Until then, this is an abortion thread, not some place for you to make up definitions to suit yourself.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
What definitions have I made up? Please tell me.
<strong>
Abortion doesn't involve killing? I've heard pro-choice people admit at least this much. Or is what's killed not human? If it is not human life that is ended, what is it then? What are you talking about?</strong><hr></blockquote>
They don't want to think it's killing or harming anything human. That is where the "feel good" tactics come in. But as long as it makes you sleep better at night that is all that matters. We shouldn't be held responsible for our actions. "I'm ok your ok"
[ 11-25-2001: Message edited by: Sinewave ]</p>
<strong>An even so, sex does cause STDs, that's why they're called "Sexually Transmitted Diseases".</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's what I said! Sleeping around is not the same as unprotected sex. So it's unprotected sex that causes STD's, not sex with a lot of people.
Theoretically, you can have sex with 20 infected people, protected, you're fine. Have sex with one infected person, unprotected, you have it.
[quote]<strong>If that isn't grabbing for straws grover I don't know what is.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So do you not understand the viability argument or is it something you just aren't able to grapple with me about?
[quote]<strong>Theoretically, you can have sex with 20 infected people, protected, you're fine. Have sex with one infected person, unprotected, you have it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And in theory Communism brings happiness and peace to all nations. In theory baby Jesus forgives all our sins and if we just love our neighbor enough He'll take care of everything else.
People get STDs while having protected sex every hour of every day. Sex spreads STDs, protection only lessens the chance.
<strong>Sinewave, not all pro-choice people fit into your category and mindset. If you'd bother to read my posts I represent at least one pro-choicer that acknowledges that abortion takes a human life. Keep acting like you don't see it, though, it's very convincing.
When did I ever say all pro choice people think that it doesn't take a life? I don't ever remember making that statement.
That's one of the weakest attempts at a semantic jab I've ever seen. For someone who pisses and moans so much about others "twisting" their words so much it's quite funny that not only would you try and do it yourself, but you'd be so damned horrible at it.
I quote you:
"This is all about the liberal "feel good" "I am ok your ok" mentality that supports not taking responsibilities for ones actions."
Abortions take human life, what the hell is your point?
<strong>
That's one of the weakest attempts at a semantic jab I've ever seen. For someone who pisses and moans so much about others "twisting" their words so much it's quite funny that not only would you try and do it yourself, but you'd be so damned horrible at it.
I quote you:
"This is all about the liberal "feel good" "I am ok your ok" mentality that supports not taking responsibilities for ones actions."
Abortions take human life, what the hell is your point?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Let me quote the whole thing
[quote]They don't want to think it's killing or harming anything human. That is where the "feel good" tactics come in. But as long as it makes you sleep better at night that is all that matters. We shouldn't be held responsible for our actions. "I'm ok your ok"
<hr></blockquote>
I said they don't want to think it's killing or harming anything human.
I never said
I said they don't want to think it's killing or harming anything.
Big difference there. Esp when talking about abortion.
<strong>I said they don't want to think it's killing or harming anything human.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's really weird, because my post right above you saying "anything" was:
"If you'd bother to read my posts I represent at least one pro-choicer that acknowledges that abortion takes a human life."
And I said that earlier, as well.
What's the point?
"If you'd bother to read my posts I represent at least one pro-choicer that acknowledges that abortion takes a human life."
What's the point?[/QB]<hr></blockquote>
Your a rare breed then grover
Abortion takes human life. Death penalty takes human life. War takes human life. Industry takes human life.
What's the point in getting "them" to admit it is a human being?
<strong>What's the point?
Abortion takes human life. Death penalty takes human life. War takes human life. Industry takes human life.
What's the point in getting "them" to admit it is a human being?</strong><hr></blockquote>
grover that is all I was asking. A lot of them wont admit it. Like it said .. it's feel good tactics to make abortion seem less "bad" than it is. But like you I agree.. your not going to stop it from happening. And I really don't think it's possible to make it illegal. We pretty much agree on this issue.
<a href="http://www.saves.asn.au/cpiobul.htm"; target="_blank">http://www.saves.asn.au/cpiobul.htm</a>;
It's not murder. It's not illegal.
No Human beings are being killed off - although some here will argue a human being comes into existence at conception.
It's abortion, and you have no say in it, unless you are the partner, or the one having the abortion.
It's very simple. If you don't want to have an abortion, don't.
See how freedom of choice works? Great concept, huh?