Edit: This is probably just another one of those rude "It's released in the US store so it's released" moments. Hopefully it will show up in other North American countries (there are a few apparently) later today.
It might eventually show up internationally. My understanding is that apps that uses encryption will take longer time due to US export regulations.
It's called MobileMe iDisk - it's for the MobileMe iDisk - why would you expect something different? Do you also complain that the Keynote Remote app doesn't let you control PowerPoint?
No, why would you complain about that???
My remarks are thoughtful, relevant, and IMHO contribute positively to the discussion. For instance:
I will not be satisfied with unknown persons working for Apple having access to my personal or business documents. If Apple isn't going to store the documents securely, then I want them to reside on my own server. Of course transmission of the documents must be secure in any case, too. Since Apple controls the content of Mac OS X Server, it would make sense for Apple to add functionality like iDisk to it.
My remarks are thoughtful, relevant, and IMHO contribute positively to the discussion. For instance:
I will not be satisfied with unknown persons working for Apple having access to my personal or business documents. If Apple isn't going to store the documents securely, then I want them to reside on my own server. Of course transmission of the documents must be secure in any case, too. Since Apple controls the content of Mac OS X Server, it would make sense for Apple to add functionality like iDisk to it.
As far as I know access to MobileMe is encrypted. Furthermore, you don't have to store your files on MobileMe servers. You can access your Time Capsule files using MobileMe account.
Yeah... MobileMe's Find my iPhone feature isn't going to help you find your phone if it is only a few feet away, anyway. Usually, I'm lucky if it shows better than a half mile radius.
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That's not really true. I am single, live on my own..... and just after the "find my phone" feature came available, I misplaced my iPhone somewhere in the house and could not find it. I ran the "Find my Phone feature" and found exactly where I stupidly left it!! Just a few feet from me on the floor! Doh!
Well agreed that my impatience probably came across as rude in and of itself, but you're dead wrong about what you say above. Apple is not a US company it's an international company. This website is based in the US but has readers from all over the world. Most of the top Mac forum sites like this one or MacRumours have about 50% of their readership from the UK actually. And I don't know WTF you're talking about with the stocks thing. How is that relevant at all?
You also have it completely backwards when you say "it would be self-centred (sic) ... " etc. It is self-centred by definition to expect all Apple's announcements and all Apple related websites to cater only to the US and to have information only related to the US. Expecting the reverse is not self-centred by definition.
Also, for someone talking about "rude" calling other countries "podunk" countries is a bit much.
For anyone interested, I was obviously just impatient, and it did arrive in my country but only after a while and only after repeated searches for the exact name of the file came up empty. Interestingly it arrived in the desktop version of the store five minutes before the online version.
Apologies for being an impatient person, but I still think it's standard procedure to put a product on a shelf (virtual or otherwise), and *then* announce that you have it.
Don't worry, I am never wrong. Ever. You probably just don't understand me. I don't blame you, its no big deal. I move pretty quick and can be hard to follow.
Apple sells products internationally, but they are founded, HQ'd and based in the US. For all internationally recognized intents and purposes, they are a US firm. The stocks thing was a reference to the ticker at the top of the page which follows the NYSE price of AAPL throughout the day.
I'm not being self-centered because I have no expectations of Apple other than what they disclose to me, and what I am able to discern from their past behaviors...which have been exactly like this behavior. Expecting that Apple should behave differently for any reason really isn't logical.
Lots of other countries are "podunk," since when was that a negative term? All of a sudden words like "retarded" are being put on some PC-inspired "anti-speak" list, which I do not understand, and think is silly, so if it disturbs you, I don't have to refer to anybody as "podunk"...
..."backwater", "miniscule" and "financially less relevent" will work as well. And of course, I don't mean the UK by any stretch. I personally love you crazy Brits, and admire your highly valuable Pound.
impatience is no crime. worry not. enjoy your app, by the way.
As far as I know access to MobileMe is encrypted. Furthermore, you don't have to store your files on MobileMe servers. You can access your Time Capsule files using MobileMe account.
I've never seen any indication from Apple that data in transit to/from an iDisk are normally encrypted. And at least historically people have had difficulty working with encrypted dmg images and such stored on an iDisk.
Whether the data are even encrypted in transit, I doubt "MobileMe iDisk" provides access to a personal Airport Time Capsule, since that feature isn't in the description of the iPhone app.
I've never seen any indication from Apple that data in transit to/from an iDisk are normally encrypted. And at least historically people have had difficulty working with encrypted dmg images and such stored on an iDisk.
Whether the data are even encrypted in transit, I doubt "MobileMe iDisk" provides access to a personal Airport Time Capsule, since that feature isn't in the description of the iPhone app.
I didn't say the data is encrypted, I said access is encrypted (username and password). You will need secure VPN to get secure data transfer. There are third party apps that enables you to access your files on your private server or TC but you have to know how to configure your network.
MM iDisk is consumer oriented so don't expect corporate grade features. With MM you know that Apple will not have to share your personal information, pictures, or files with third party to cover their cost.
I didn't say the data is encrypted, I said access is encrypted (username and password). You will need secure VPN to get secure data transfer. There are third party apps that enables you to access your files on your private server or TC but you have to know how to configure your network.
Yes, more precisely, iDisk access is password protected, with only the authentication process being encrypted. Access to an iDisk is not encrypted and data stored on iDisk are not encrypted.
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MM iDisk is consumer oriented so don't expect corporate grade features.
Why shouldn't "consumers" demand full encryption, as well? I wouldn't store corporate or personal data on an unencrypted iDisk. IMHO encryption should be as common and expected as having running water to our homes.
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With MM you know that Apple will not have to share your personal information, pictures, or files with third party to cover their cost.
What's to stop Apple from doing this anyway? And Apple employees and contractors with access to your files can have fun with them, too, if not earn a few bucks on the side by selling them to third parties.
Yes, more precisely, iDisk access is password protected, with only the authentication process being encrypted. Access to an iDisk is not encrypted and data stored on iDisk are not encrypted.
Why shouldn't "consumers" demand full encryption, as well? I wouldn't store corporate or personal data on an unencrypted iDisk. IMHO encryption should be as common and expected as having running water to our homes.
You can encrypt your data before you place them on iDisk. I don't know about anyone else but personally my iDisk data is not sensitive and useless to anyone but me.
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What's to stop Apple from doing this anyway? And Apple employees and contractors with access to your files can have fun with them, too, if not earn a few bucks on the side by selling them to third parties.
Well, while you are at it. What to stop someone in your cable, phone, wireless, or ISP from doing the same thing?!
You can encrypt your data before you place them on iDisk. I don't know about anyone else but personally my iDisk data is not sensitive and useless to anyone but me.
Then enjoy MobileMe iDisk, along with all the naive consumers who don't recognize the risk.
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Well, while you are at it. What to stop someone in your cable, phone, wireless, or ISP from doing the same thing?!
Then enjoy MobileMe iDisk, along with all the naive consumers who don't recognize the risk.
Uh, do you suppose maybe encryption?
There is alway a risk. Seriously, if you are that paranoid then you should not be using a computer specially a one connected to the internet. You know the FBI and CIA might use it to spy on you
You can save up 200MB on your iPhone or iPod Touch which seems sufficient to me. Storing GBs of files locally on iPhone or iPod Touch defeats the purpose IMO.
The important thing is to be able to access critical files when off line in a reliable manner. Those files could easily exceed 200MB. Even if you have 1GB stored locally it is still likely to be only a portion of the data on iDisk.
It's not like I don't like the cached files just that I would also prefer to have a directory configured as mirrored so I know for sure the files are on the iPhone when needed.
I've only had it installed for a few minutes now but I think it will end up being very useful. Especially for transient docs such a travel itinerarys. Just say the schedule to iDisk and go with maybe a read to load the cache. It is free so that is nice, it might cause me to give up on some of the alternative apps.
The important thing is to be able to access critical files when off line in a reliable manner. Those files could easily exceed 200MB. Even if you have 1GB stored locally it is still likely to be only a portion of the data on iDisk.
It's not like I don't like the cached files just that I would also prefer to have a directory configured as mirrored so I know for sure the files are on the iPhone when needed.
I've only had it installed for a few minutes now but I think it will end up being very useful. Especially for transient docs such a travel itinerarys. Just say the schedule to iDisk and go with maybe a read to load the cache. It is free so that is nice, it might cause me to give up on some of the alternative apps.
Dave
Exactly. It should be like FTP. Mirror the damn folder. Let me download stuff so I can transfer it from computer to iDisk to iPhone to computer to iDisk. My understanding was that 200 MB was more like a folder for a buffer for streaming content. Stupid crippling. Reminds me of how Apple underclocked my Mac IIsi. They have such a long history of doing this. And it doesn't even help AT&T, isn't data unlimited now? This actually just costs them more.
Yeah... MobileMe's Find my iPhone feature isn't going to help you find your phone if it is only a few feet away, anyway. Usually, I'm lucky if it shows better than a half mile radius.
That being said, I would like an iPhone app so that I can see where my wife is when she doesn't answer her phone because she always puts it on silent at work and forgets to turn it back on. I don't need to know exactly where she is standing, but a general idea would be nice. For now, I just VNC to my desktop to do it. I tend to fill a lot of the iPhone holes by using my desktop via VNC.
With the iPhone having GPS and bluetooth/Wi-Fi you'd think it would be easy for an iPhone programmer to make. Like Google Latitude for the iPhone only more specific for LAN/proximity use.
What I really want is a find-my-iphone app so I can find my wife's iPhone when we're out somewhere and it falls out of her pocket. (Or more likely, one of the kids pulled it out of her purse and left it nearby but under something.)
Call her phone?
Gee, that trick even works with regular cell phones!
There is alway a risk. Seriously, if you are that paranoid then you should not be using a computer specially a one connected to the internet. You know the FBI and CIA might use it to spy on you
Back on a serious note, risk is relative and encryption of the iDisk should be a routine measure that Apple affords its customers to show that it has made a good faith effort to keep their data confidential.
You can bet Steve Jobs doesn't use iDisk for anything.
I've been able to use it to view iWork '08 documents - any description of this app to date has always been specific about '09 so it was nice to see the older versions working too, especially as I've been unable to view them in the past when attached to mail messages.
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Edit: This is probably just another one of those rude "It's released in the US store so it's released" moments. Hopefully it will show up in other North American countries (there are a few apparently) later today.
It might eventually show up internationally. My understanding is that apps that uses encryption will take longer time due to US export regulations.
It's called MobileMe iDisk - it's for the MobileMe iDisk - why would you expect something different? Do you also complain that the Keynote Remote app doesn't let you control PowerPoint?
No, why would you complain about that???
My remarks are thoughtful, relevant, and IMHO contribute positively to the discussion. For instance:
I will not be satisfied with unknown persons working for Apple having access to my personal or business documents. If Apple isn't going to store the documents securely, then I want them to reside on my own server. Of course transmission of the documents must be secure in any case, too. Since Apple controls the content of Mac OS X Server, it would make sense for Apple to add functionality like iDisk to it.
No, why would you complain about that???
My remarks are thoughtful, relevant, and IMHO contribute positively to the discussion. For instance:
I will not be satisfied with unknown persons working for Apple having access to my personal or business documents. If Apple isn't going to store the documents securely, then I want them to reside on my own server. Of course transmission of the documents must be secure in any case, too. Since Apple controls the content of Mac OS X Server, it would make sense for Apple to add functionality like iDisk to it.
As far as I know access to MobileMe is encrypted. Furthermore, you don't have to store your files on MobileMe servers. You can access your Time Capsule files using MobileMe account.
Now there's a brilliant, open-minded comment if ever I heard one!
It is brilliant, unless one happens to be less-than-brilliant, or too close-minded to see the obvious intent at humor.
Clearly, YOU are brilliant, and recognized it right away....
Yeah... MobileMe's Find my iPhone feature isn't going to help you find your phone if it is only a few feet away, anyway. Usually, I'm lucky if it shows better than a half mile radius.
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That's not really true. I am single, live on my own..... and just after the "find my phone" feature came available, I misplaced my iPhone somewhere in the house and could not find it. I ran the "Find my Phone feature" and found exactly where I stupidly left it!! Just a few feet from me on the floor! Doh!
www.getdropbox.com
Like iDisk, but free for up to 2GB of storage, and they're working on an iPhone app to access the storage. Really like it so far.
Well agreed that my impatience probably came across as rude in and of itself, but you're dead wrong about what you say above. Apple is not a US company it's an international company. This website is based in the US but has readers from all over the world. Most of the top Mac forum sites like this one or MacRumours have about 50% of their readership from the UK actually. And I don't know WTF you're talking about with the stocks thing. How is that relevant at all?
You also have it completely backwards when you say "it would be self-centred (sic) ... " etc. It is self-centred by definition to expect all Apple's announcements and all Apple related websites to cater only to the US and to have information only related to the US. Expecting the reverse is not self-centred by definition.
Also, for someone talking about "rude" calling other countries "podunk" countries is a bit much.
For anyone interested, I was obviously just impatient, and it did arrive in my country but only after a while and only after repeated searches for the exact name of the file came up empty. Interestingly it arrived in the desktop version of the store five minutes before the online version.
Apologies for being an impatient person, but I still think it's standard procedure to put a product on a shelf (virtual or otherwise), and *then* announce that you have it.
Don't worry, I am never wrong. Ever. You probably just don't understand me. I don't blame you, its no big deal. I move pretty quick and can be hard to follow.
Apple sells products internationally, but they are founded, HQ'd and based in the US. For all internationally recognized intents and purposes, they are a US firm. The stocks thing was a reference to the ticker at the top of the page which follows the NYSE price of AAPL throughout the day.
I'm not being self-centered because I have no expectations of Apple other than what they disclose to me, and what I am able to discern from their past behaviors...which have been exactly like this behavior. Expecting that Apple should behave differently for any reason really isn't logical.
Lots of other countries are "podunk," since when was that a negative term? All of a sudden words like "retarded" are being put on some PC-inspired "anti-speak" list, which I do not understand, and think is silly, so if it disturbs you, I don't have to refer to anybody as "podunk"...
..."backwater", "miniscule" and "financially less relevent" will work as well. And of course, I don't mean the UK by any stretch. I personally love you crazy Brits, and admire your highly valuable Pound.
impatience is no crime. worry not. enjoy your app, by the way.
cheers!
As far as I know access to MobileMe is encrypted. Furthermore, you don't have to store your files on MobileMe servers. You can access your Time Capsule files using MobileMe account.
I've never seen any indication from Apple that data in transit to/from an iDisk are normally encrypted. And at least historically people have had difficulty working with encrypted dmg images and such stored on an iDisk.
Whether the data are even encrypted in transit, I doubt "MobileMe iDisk" provides access to a personal Airport Time Capsule, since that feature isn't in the description of the iPhone app.
I've never seen any indication from Apple that data in transit to/from an iDisk are normally encrypted. And at least historically people have had difficulty working with encrypted dmg images and such stored on an iDisk.
Whether the data are even encrypted in transit, I doubt "MobileMe iDisk" provides access to a personal Airport Time Capsule, since that feature isn't in the description of the iPhone app.
I didn't say the data is encrypted, I said access is encrypted (username and password). You will need secure VPN to get secure data transfer. There are third party apps that enables you to access your files on your private server or TC but you have to know how to configure your network.
MM iDisk is consumer oriented so don't expect corporate grade features. With MM you know that Apple will not have to share your personal information, pictures, or files with third party to cover their cost.
I didn't say the data is encrypted, I said access is encrypted (username and password). You will need secure VPN to get secure data transfer. There are third party apps that enables you to access your files on your private server or TC but you have to know how to configure your network.
Yes, more precisely, iDisk access is password protected, with only the authentication process being encrypted. Access to an iDisk is not encrypted and data stored on iDisk are not encrypted.
MM iDisk is consumer oriented so don't expect corporate grade features.
Why shouldn't "consumers" demand full encryption, as well? I wouldn't store corporate or personal data on an unencrypted iDisk. IMHO encryption should be as common and expected as having running water to our homes.
With MM you know that Apple will not have to share your personal information, pictures, or files with third party to cover their cost.
What's to stop Apple from doing this anyway? And Apple employees and contractors with access to your files can have fun with them, too, if not earn a few bucks on the side by selling them to third parties.
Yes, more precisely, iDisk access is password protected, with only the authentication process being encrypted. Access to an iDisk is not encrypted and data stored on iDisk are not encrypted.
Why shouldn't "consumers" demand full encryption, as well? I wouldn't store corporate or personal data on an unencrypted iDisk. IMHO encryption should be as common and expected as having running water to our homes.
You can encrypt your data before you place them on iDisk. I don't know about anyone else but personally my iDisk data is not sensitive and useless to anyone but me.
What's to stop Apple from doing this anyway? And Apple employees and contractors with access to your files can have fun with them, too, if not earn a few bucks on the side by selling them to third parties.
Well, while you are at it. What to stop someone in your cable, phone, wireless, or ISP from doing the same thing?!
You can encrypt your data before you place them on iDisk. I don't know about anyone else but personally my iDisk data is not sensitive and useless to anyone but me.
Then enjoy MobileMe iDisk, along with all the naive consumers who don't recognize the risk.
Well, while you are at it. What to stop someone in your cable, phone, wireless, or ISP from doing the same thing?!
Uh, do you suppose maybe encryption?
Then enjoy MobileMe iDisk, along with all the naive consumers who don't recognize the risk.
Uh, do you suppose maybe encryption?
There is alway a risk. Seriously, if you are that paranoid then you should not be using a computer specially a one connected to the internet. You know the FBI and CIA might use it to spy on you
You can save up 200MB on your iPhone or iPod Touch which seems sufficient to me. Storing GBs of files locally on iPhone or iPod Touch defeats the purpose IMO.
The important thing is to be able to access critical files when off line in a reliable manner. Those files could easily exceed 200MB. Even if you have 1GB stored locally it is still likely to be only a portion of the data on iDisk.
It's not like I don't like the cached files just that I would also prefer to have a directory configured as mirrored so I know for sure the files are on the iPhone when needed.
I've only had it installed for a few minutes now but I think it will end up being very useful. Especially for transient docs such a travel itinerarys. Just say the schedule to iDisk and go with maybe a read to load the cache. It is free so that is nice, it might cause me to give up on some of the alternative apps.
Dave
The important thing is to be able to access critical files when off line in a reliable manner. Those files could easily exceed 200MB. Even if you have 1GB stored locally it is still likely to be only a portion of the data on iDisk.
It's not like I don't like the cached files just that I would also prefer to have a directory configured as mirrored so I know for sure the files are on the iPhone when needed.
I've only had it installed for a few minutes now but I think it will end up being very useful. Especially for transient docs such a travel itinerarys. Just say the schedule to iDisk and go with maybe a read to load the cache. It is free so that is nice, it might cause me to give up on some of the alternative apps.
Dave
Exactly. It should be like FTP. Mirror the damn folder. Let me download stuff so I can transfer it from computer to iDisk to iPhone to computer to iDisk. My understanding was that 200 MB was more like a folder for a buffer for streaming content. Stupid crippling. Reminds me of how Apple underclocked my Mac IIsi. They have such a long history of doing this. And it doesn't even help AT&T, isn't data unlimited now? This actually just costs them more.
Yeah... MobileMe's Find my iPhone feature isn't going to help you find your phone if it is only a few feet away, anyway. Usually, I'm lucky if it shows better than a half mile radius.
That being said, I would like an iPhone app so that I can see where my wife is when she doesn't answer her phone because she always puts it on silent at work and forgets to turn it back on. I don't need to know exactly where she is standing, but a general idea would be nice. For now, I just VNC to my desktop to do it. I tend to fill a lot of the iPhone holes by using my desktop via VNC.
With the iPhone having GPS and bluetooth/Wi-Fi you'd think it would be easy for an iPhone programmer to make. Like Google Latitude for the iPhone only more specific for LAN/proximity use.
What I really want is a find-my-iphone app so I can find my wife's iPhone when we're out somewhere and it falls out of her pocket. (Or more likely, one of the kids pulled it out of her purse and left it nearby but under something.)
Call her phone?
Gee, that trick even works with regular cell phones!
There is alway a risk. Seriously, if you are that paranoid then you should not be using a computer specially a one connected to the internet. You know the FBI and CIA might use it to spy on you
Back on a serious note, risk is relative and encryption of the iDisk should be a routine measure that Apple affords its customers to show that it has made a good faith effort to keep their data confidential.
You can bet Steve Jobs doesn't use iDisk for anything.