is instant bootup an impossible dream?
seriously. i hit power on my t.v., and aside from powering up the big-ass tube, it's on, ready to roll immediately. can anyone explain to me, with technology getting obscenely smaller and faster with every passing year, why this is STILL just a dream?
p.s. not sure if this would be better under general discussion, but i'll leave it here for now.
[ 01-19-2002: Message edited by: rok ]</p>
p.s. not sure if this would be better under general discussion, but i'll leave it here for now.
[ 01-19-2002: Message edited by: rok ]</p>
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On my friends Athlon 650Mhz 256MB ram, it takes about 25seconds from hearing 'beep' after pressing the on button to be able to actually use an app (launch).
On an iMac 500Mhz with 320MB ram it took MacOS X 10.1.2 1:30seconds...
MacOS still has a way to go in this respect.
1.4 ghz athlon 512 sdram 120 gig hd geforce3 ti200, with 24x cd-r, SCR drive etc.
and it takes literally 3-5 minutes to boot, its ridiculus, his cd-rw drive is awesome, his creative soundblaster audigy is awesome, but apart from that his computer is horrid
OS X is not Windows 95... it's not going to crash on its own just sitting there.
There is *rarely* a reason to even restart, let alone shut down.
The only time my iMac at home turns off is when there's a Thunderstorm coming and we wanna unplug from the wall.
OS X also allows us to keep *programs running* the whole time.
Hint: never quit your Carbon/Cocoa Apps. There is almost no penalty for keeping them open, and even the ones that do draw resources, ram is *cheap* .
Keeping the programs up means never waiting for the App to launch.
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Having said that: no instant boot up is not impossible.
As we get holographic and even bio-mechanical or strait carbon-based (read: grow-a-mac)computer systems, and get away from moving parts and slow clock-based subsystems we'll see instand boot up... just like your eyes when you open them.
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The "my TV powers on instantly" argument is pretty fallacious -- your monitor powers on instantly, too. Neither of these do terribly interesting things that require lots of memory.
Alex
<strong>The "my TV powers on instantly" argument is pretty fallacious...
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that just sounds so wrong...
<strong>The "my TV powers on instantly" argument... ...Neither of these do terribly interesting things that require lots of memory.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Which is why the "Grow-A-Mac" is so interesting.
Think about how *complex* our brains are.
(All this assumes your brain works as expected, ie; no schitzophrenia and such)
You wake up and are pretty much, ready to go instantly.
Sure, you may take a few minutes to get up to speed: but that's stimuli based.
When you wake up on your first day at Disney and are going to go to Epcot for the first time, you're not "sleepy head" your wide awake earlier than you really should be--you've got a long day and need sleep.
Brains Need Sleep--Will Bio Computers?
Will we need to kick-start our bio computers with Cafienne? Or will we simply design a cafienne-pump into them?
Will our bio computers experience the same sort of shortcomings that our own brans experience? I mean, if Motorola cannot get high yields on Chip fab, how can we expect someone to grow the perfect brain every single time?
What do we do with the ones that aren't up to spec?
Kill them?
<strong>for as much as I hate to admit, WindowsME is a speed demon for startup.
On my friends Athlon 650Mhz 256MB ram, it takes about 25seconds from hearing 'beep' after pressing the on button to be able to actually use an app (launch).
On an iMac 500Mhz with 320MB ram it took MacOS X 10.1.2 1:30seconds...
MacOS still has a way to go in this respect.</strong><hr></blockquote>
WindowsME cuts severe corners by loading the non-boot essential stuff after the desktop is brought up. Didn't you ever notice how the first 30 seconds after you see the desktop are slow and painful? That's other stuff Windows is loading in the background.
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Which is why the "Grow-A-Mac" is so interesting.
Think about how *complex* our brains are.
(All this assumes your brain works as expected, ie; no schitzophrenia and such)
You wake up and are pretty much, ready to go instantly.
Sure, you may take a few minutes to get up to speed: but that's stimuli based.
When you wake up on your first day at Disney and are going to go to Epcot for the first time, you're not "sleepy head" your wide awake earlier than you really should be--you've got a long day and need sleep.
Brains Need Sleep--Will Bio Computers?
Will we need to kick-start our bio computers with Cafienne? Or will we simply design a cafienne-pump into them?
Will our bio computers experience the same sort of shortcomings that our own brans experience? I mean, if Motorola cannot get high yields on Chip fab, how can we expect someone to grow the perfect brain every single time?
What do we do with the ones that aren't up to spec?
Kill them?</strong><hr></blockquote>
LMFAO!!! :eek:
Let's just hope the majority of our Grow-a-Macs are insomniacs.
<strong>BeOS used to boot up in 8 seconds (timed it several times).</strong><hr></blockquote>
still does. if the mac firmware didn't take so long to start loading the OS and I didn't have to go through the os chooser on start up it could be even faster
<strong>BeOS used to boot up in 8 seconds (timed it several times).</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think BeOS just took a snapshot of the memory contants and dumped them to disk. Really, not a bad idea at all. Afterall, why do we need to reinitialize all of those inits, etc., at startup? Why not load the last image of the system back into memory?
It reminds me of the old Snapshot ][ card I had for my Apple ][+. It allowed you to copy games by dumping an image to disk.
Come the think of it, FWB had an extension for a while that met us halfway there. IIRC it loaded all of the extensions into memory before running them, reducing startup times by a nice amount.